The individual eternal marginal spiritual potency or energy, is a collective of independent perpetual spiritual living entities (jiva-souls), who each have a separate identity, personality and spiritual bodily form and have ALWAYS existed without beginning or end like Krsna meaning they were NEVER created.

The eternal individual jiva-souls (perpetual anti-matter) are not affected by the decomposition and demise of the external temporary material bodily vessels or container (decaying matter) they are in.

Only the temporary material bodily vessels the eternal individual jiva-soul are in, decays, breaks down due to maggots, worms, ants and insects, and eventually wasts away to dust then merges back into the "oneness" of "lifeless" material elements [matter] (material energy).

The eternal individual jiva-souls are indestructible and were NEVER created, they have ALWAYS existed like Krsna has always existed as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains.

On the other hand in a paradox to the jiva-soul's individual freedom of independent expression (free will), Krsna is always the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes and is behind EVERYTHING that exists in the spiritual and material worlds, not a blade of grass can move without His sanction.

This means EVERYTHING rests in Krsna the Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes.  

In the individual jiva-soul's original infinite position, they have the same eternal bodily features as Krsna, 

Sat,

Cit,

Ananda,

Vigraha, 

which means- 

Eternal, 

Knowledge,

Bliss,

Spiritual bodily form (vigraha).

Srila Prabhupada explains how "voluntary service" on different levels and intensities, expands the multiple levels of reciprocal loving exchanges with Kṛṣṇa.

Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada, why did Krsna give us free will if He knew we may miss use it to forget Him?"

Srila Prabhupada – "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don’t misuse your free will. But don’t try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Krsna is "similtaneously one and different" - "Achintya Bheda Abheda Tattva" with ALL that there is because ultimately EVERYTHING belongs to Kṛṣṇa making Him the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes.

This amazing philosophy of Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu, who is the combination of Srimati Radharani's love for Kṛṣṇa, and Krsna's love for Srimati Radharani in the one spiritual Body (Lord Caitanya), is very difficult to understand. This is only properly realised by genuine devotees of Lord Krsna.

The individual jiva-souls are eternal spiritual living PERSONS as a spiritual bodily form, who can NEVER be destroyed, terminated, divided into pieces, extinguished or lose their unique individual identity as a "person" because they are indestructible for infinity.

The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are ALWAYS independent voluntary contributing unique "persons" in Kṛṣṇa's pastimes.

The individual jiva-souls can enter or possess and experience any material bodily container or vessel they choose over the infinity of its existence, but only temporarily.

This is because all outer material bodily vessels or containers (matter) that covers the eternal individual jiva-souls, eventually breaks down, decomposes (dies) and again merges back into the "oneness" of the material energy that all bodily vessels are made from in the material world.

However, the eternal individual jiva-souls are not affected by the decomposition and demise of the external temporary material bodily vessel they are in.

"Surrender" does not mean one needs to extinguish their unique identity, individuality and personality to become Krsna's servant, such impersonalism makes one no better than dead stone. 

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

All jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are independent unique individuals who can voluntarily choose how to contribute in their own unique way in their service to Krsna. 

Srila Prabhupada - "In the spiritual world service is voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, then he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

In the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, Visnu and Krsna only expect voluntary personal offerings from the jiva-souls because such willing service initiates loving reciprocal exchanges between the Lord and His devotees in a "two-sided" loving exchange. The unique quality of free will allows individual acts of self-expression that leads to personal unique offerings.

Real love or service is based on a "two-way" exchange where the student Vaisnava is carefully nurtured to eventually achieve the personal goal of voluntary loving contributions that are the foundations of pure devotional service.

Such loving exchanges can only be fully expressed when the jiva-souls realize they each have their own independent characteristics and unique personality separate from Krsna's Personality, endorsed by free will. 

Without free will, one would never have the vision to intelligently contribute in their relationship with Kṛṣṇa in their own unique way, and increase and expand one's awareness of who they are as a contributing independent individual marginal living entity (jiva-soul). Having "free will" therefore is the eternal constitutional make up of EVERY "marginal living entity (jiva-soul)," and the foundation for ALL jiva-soul's contributing relationship with Krsna.

Loving devotional service is ALWAYS based on "two-way" voluntary exchanges of personal feelings manifesting as selfless loving acts of reciprocation between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees, who voluntarily contribute their own unique expressions (offerings) of devotional service to Him as the real act of surrendering to Krsna's will.

On the other hand, actions expressed in a "one-way" domineering mood that do not encourage personal voluntary contributions, is dangerous impersonalism.

Personalism is only possible between two, in a "two-way" exchange of feelings and emotions that expands, enriches and multiplies loving affection, sentiment and exchanges between the jiva-souls and Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No, it is not good, that is NOT love that is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

The eternal individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) can NEVER exist independently from Krsna however, they MUST have their freedom and independence also (a paradox) to be a contributing individual unique independent person, otherwise the jiva-souls are no better than impersonal puppets controlled by a puppet master.

Therefore, the jiva-soul's independent personality, identity and free will allows diversity and independent self expression, allowing the individual jiva-souls to make their own contributions or offerings, and even allows them to reject Krsna if they choose.

All these conditions must be allowed to exist otherwise loving exchanges with Krsna can NEVER exist.

Krsna will always allow a separate existence for His marginal living entities (jiva-souls) endorsed by having free will. This allows them to have their own unique personality for the purpose of creating a "two-way" voluntary exchange of individual loving expressions that encourage unique contributions and personal offerings.

Free will allows the eternal individual jiva-souls to independently express themselves separately from Krsna and gives them their own unique personality that allows self expression and voluntary contributions.

These independent unique qualities gives the jiva-soul's existence  personal responsibility, purpose, creativity, hope, identity, a unique stand alone personality, allowing personal contributions of self-expression that makes the individual jiva-souls the independent PERSONS they are eternally. 

These qualities establish the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) as independent PERSONS, as a spiritual bodily form whose eternal home are the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, within Krsna's eternal endless pastimes. 

In the spiritual world personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges expressed through free will, are ALWAYS encouraged by Krsna in His eternal relationship with the jiva-souls, this adds variegatedness, flavour, variety and mystery to the relationship between the individual jiva-souls and Krsna.

The Kingdom of God therefore, is NOT a "one-sided" dominating impersonal domain devoid of free will (freedom of self-expression), that does not allow personal independent contributions or offerings to God (Krsna), meant to expand, enrich, flavour and add mystery to the relationship.

Genuine loving relations and service are ALWAYS based on voluntary reciprocal exhanges and contributions between "TWO," ( the meaning of personalism) not just "ONE" which is loveless impersonalism)! 

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No, love means two, there MUST be two." (SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Free will only has meaning when the jiva-souls can express themselves in a two-sided relationship by contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.

Srila Prabhupāda - "Love means a relationship between "two persons," then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)

All individual jīva-souls are ETERNAL persons as a spiritual bodily FORM, there are no new jiva-souls being created because they have ALWAYS existed meaning they are beginningless and endless.

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 9th July 1970)

The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) have no origin or beginning point because they have ALWAYS existed for infinity as explained above.

So, clearly there is no origin or beginning point to Krsna's marginal energy (an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls), who have existed for as long as Krsna has existed and will continue to exist for eternity (infinity).

The individual jiva-souls can enter or possess and experience any material bodily container or vessel they choose over the infinity of their endless existence, but only temporarily.

This is because all outer material bodily vessels or containers (matter) that covers the eternal individual jiva-souls (anti-matter), eventually breaks down, decomposes (dies) and again merges back into the "oneness" of the material energy that all bodily vessels are made from in the material world.

However, the eternal individual jiva-souls (anti-matter) are not affected by the decomposition and demise of the external temporary material bodily vessel (matter) they are in.

Also, each eternal individual jiva-soul (anti-matter) can NEVER become another individual jiva-soul, Krsna, Radharani, Visnu, Narayana and their expansions, or Siva and his expansions.

The individual jiva-souls are eternal persons who always have the choice (fee will) to express themselves in their own unique way in the spiritual world, or reject Krsna and enter the temporary material world if they choose.

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are NOT complete in themselves unless they have their own unique independence (free will) to voluntarily choose to serve Krsna in their own unique way.

Therefore, without "free will or self expression," there can be no personal voluntary contributions or personal unique offerings to Krsna in a "two-sided" loving relationship.

Under these impersonal "one-sided" dictatorial conditions, the individual jiva-soul's existence would be no better than mindless drones devoid of any self-expression, personal voluntary contributions, reciprocating in a loving "two-way" relationship is spiritual suicide.

All marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in the spiritual world are eternal servants by choice who make their own independent decisions while serving Krsna, this makes them the unique contributing PERSON they are eternally, only then can an unlimited variety of intentional loving exchanges with Krsna be possible in a "two-way" reciprocal exhange.

Srila Prabhupada - "In the spiritual world service is voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there if they want to be a flower and lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, then he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to human body also. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is a reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take, and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Krsna does not force His dominance over the jiva-souls in the spiritual world like a puppet master impersonally controls his puppets with strings.

Free will exists with the jiva-souls for the purpose of allowing self-expression and voluntary personal contributions in their relationship with Krsna, making the relationship a "two-sided" loving affair instead of a "one-way" dictatorship.

The reason why "life" (the unlimited existence of individual jiva-souls) can NEVER be generated (created), is because the life force (that includes an unlimited collection of unique indestructible individual jiva-souls) have ALWAYS existed and were NEVER created.

Individual life (the collective of jiva-souls) are beginningless and endless as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains.

Dormant "life" (the individual jiva-souls) are only "awakened" after the jiva-souls have fallen to the dormant (inactive) conditional state in the atom, and the impersonal brahmajyoti, they do NOT originate from from the impersonal brahmajyoti, they are only awakened from their dormant state in the brahmajyoti.

Such a "fall down" to the dormant (inactive) brahmajyoti, is unnatural for the jiva-souls whose real "nature" is to be fully "active" in Kṛṣṇa's eternal pastimes.

"Individual life" therefore is never created, not even by Krsna because "individual life" has ALWAYS existed.

Once fallen to the material world of repeated birth and death, the individual jiva-souls can become frustrated with that constant suffering of birth, disease, old age and death and fall even further to the dormant (inactive) impersonal brahmajyoti, or can become dormant even in the atom.

When individual life (the jiva-souls) eventually awakens from their dormant impersonal existence in the brahmajyoti, or the material atom, some jiva-souls will WRONGLY believe life originated or is created (generated) from the an impersonal origin in the brahmajyoti.

However, the individual jiva-souls or life force has only been resting in a dormant inactive condition attained from a previous existence in the material world, a previous material universe long, long, long ago.

No eternal individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) originate from the impersonal Brahmajyoti which is an inactive condition of consciousness the individual jiva-souls fall too as Prabhupada explains here-

Srila Prabhupada - "Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness." (Letter to Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Others may also WRONGLY believe the individual life force is an "all-one all-pervading energy or force" and only has form and individuality when contained in a material bodily vessel, just like water contained in a jar becomes separated from the ocean of water around it by being in the jar.

The individual "life force" in the category know as the "jiva-souls" (marginal living entities), are NOT ultimately an "all-one-pervading" consciousness, they are eternal individual units (PERSONS).

The "life force" in the category of jiva-souls (marginal living entities), are a collective of eternal spiritual individual living beings who each have their own eternal unique personality, individual identity and spiritual bodily form.

The belief that all jiva-souls ultimately merge into "one consciousnees" like rivers merge into the sea, and only become an individual when embodied, is called dangerous mayavadi impersonalism because it denies the "life force" is ultimately an unlimited collective of unique individual eternal jiva-souls.

So the conclusion is, the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are eternal spiritual living PERSONS who can never be destroyed, terminated, divided into pieces, extinguished or lose their individual identity.

The individual jiva-souls are indestructible and were NEVER created, they have ALWAYS existed like Krsna has always existed as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains above.

On the other hand in a paradox understanding, Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the cause of ALL causes which means EVERYTHING rests in Him and depends on Him always.

This includes His unlimited individual jiva-soul expansions, Lord Siva, His unlimited variety of Visnu-tattva expansions including Srimati Radharani and Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu.

All the above are paradoxically ALL-ONE with Krsna from Krsna's point of view (through the eyes of God) are all part of Him because Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes. 

However, Krsna is really "similtaneously one and different" - "Achintya-Bheda-Abheda Tattva" with all that there is because ultimately EVERYTHING belongs to Kṛṣṇa.

This philosophy of Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu is very difficult to understand, and is only properly realised by genuine devotees of Lord Krsna.<^^>.

The marginal spiritual potency or energy (anti-matter), is a collective of individual eternal living entities (jiva-souls), who each have an independent identity, personality and spiritual bodily form, who ALWAYS have existed like Krsna without beginning or end.

The eternal individual jiva-souls (perpetual anti-matter) are not affected by the decomposition and demise of the external temporary material bodily vessels or container (decaying matter) they are in.

Only the temporary material bodily vessels the jiva-soul are in, decays, breaks down with the help of maggots, worms, ants and insects, and eventually wasting away to dust and merging back into the "oneness" of "lifeless" material elements (energy).

The eternal individual jiva-souls are indestructible and were NEVER created, they have ALWAYS existed like Krsna has always existed as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains.

On the other hand in a paradox to the jiva-soul's individual freedom of independent expression (free will), Krsna is always the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes and is behind EVERYTHING that exists in the spiritual and material worlds, not a blade of grass can move without His sanction.

This means EVERYTHING rests in Him. 

In the individual jiva-soul's original infinite position, they have the same eternal bodily features as Krsna thst are beginningless and endless, 

Sat,

Cit,

Ananda,

Vigraha, 

which means- 

Eternal, 

Knowledge,

Bliss,

Spiritual bodily form (vigraha).

Srila Prabhupada explains how "voluntary service" on different levels and intensities, expands the multiple levels of reciprocal loving exchanges with Kṛṣṇa.

Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada, why did Krsna give us free will if He knew we may miss use it to forget Him?"

Srila Prabhupada – "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don’t misuse your free will. But don’t try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Krsna is "similtaneously one and different" - "Achintya Bheda Abheda Tattva" with ALL that there is because ultimately EVERYTHING belongs to Kṛṣṇa making Him the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes.

This amazing philosophy of Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu, who is the combination of Srimati Radharani's love for Kṛṣṇa, and Krsna's love for Srimati Radharani in the one spiritual Body (Lord Caitanya), is very difficult to understand. This is only properly realised by genuine devotees of Lord Krsna.

The individual jiva-souls are eternal spiritual living PERSONS as a spiritual bodily form, who can NEVER be destroyed, terminated, divided into pieces, extinguished or lose their unique individual identity as a "person" because they are indestructible for infinity.

The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are ALWAYS independent voluntary contributing unique "persons" in Kṛṣṇa's pastimes.

The individual jiva-souls can enter or possess and experience any material bodily container or vessel they choose over the infinity of its existence, but only temporarily.

This is because all outer material bodily vessels or containers (matter) that covers the eternal individual jiva-souls, eventually breaks down, decomposes (dies) and again merges back into the "oneness" of the material energy that all bodily vessels are made from in the material world.

However, the eternal individual jiva-souls are not affected by the decomposition and demise of the external temporary material bodily vessel they are in.

"Surrender" does not mean one needs to extinguish their unique identity, individuality and personality to become Krsna's servant, such impersonalism makes one no better than dead stone. 

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

All jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are independent unique individuals who can voluntarily choose how to contribute in their own unique way in their service to Krsna. 

Srila Prabhupada - "In the spiritual world service is voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, then he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

In the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, Visnu and Krsna only expect voluntary personal offerings from the jiva-souls because such willing service initiates loving reciprocal exchanges between the Lord and His devotees in a "two-sided" loving exchange. The unique quality of free will allows individual acts of self-expression that leads to personal unique offerings.

Real love or service is based on a "two-way" exchange where the student Vaisnava is carefully nurtured to eventually achieve the personal goal of voluntary loving contributions that are the foundations of pure devotional service.

Such loving exchanges can only be fully expressed when the jiva-souls realize they each have their own independent characteristics and unique personality separate from Krsna's Personality, endorsed by free will. 

Without free will, one would never have the vision to intelligently contribute in their relationship with Kṛṣṇa in their own unique way, and increase and expand one's awareness of who they are as a contributing independent individual marginal living entity (jiva-soul). Having "free will" therefore is the eternal constitutional make up of EVERY "marginal living entity (jiva-soul)," and the foundation for ALL jiva-soul's contributing relationship with Krsna.

Loving devotional service is ALWAYS based on a "two-way" voluntary exchange of personal feelings manifesting as loving acts of reciprocation between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees, who voluntarily contribute their own unique expressions (offerings) of devotional service to Him as the real act of surrendering to Krsna's will.

On the other hand, actions expressed in a "one-way" domineering mood that do not encourage and nurture personal voluntary contributions, is dangerous impersonalism.

Personalism is only possible in a "two-way" exchange of feelings and emotions that expands, enriches and multiplies loving affection, sentiment and exchanges between the jiva-souls and Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No, it is not good, that is NOT love that is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) can NEVER exist independently from Krsna however, they MUST have their freedom and independence also (a paradox) to be a contributing individual unique independent person, otherwise the jiva-souls are no better than impersonal puppets controlled by a puppet master.

Therefore, the jiva-soul's independent personality, identity and free will allows diversity and independent self expression, allowing the individual jiva-souls to make their own contributions or offerings, and even allows them to reject Krsna if they choose.

All these conditions must be allowed to exist otherwise loving exchanges with Krsna can NEVER exist.

Krsna will always allow a separate existence for His marginal living entities (jiva-souls) endorsed by having free will. This allows them to have their own unique personality for the purpose of creating a "two-way" voluntary exchange of individual loving expressions that encourage unique contributions and personal offerings.

Free will allows the eternal individual jiva-souls to independently express themselves separately from Krsna and gives them their own unique personality that allows self expression and voluntary contributions.

These independent unique qualities gives the jiva-soul's existence  personal responsibility, purpose, creativity, hope, identity, a unique stand alone personality, allowing personal contributions of self-expression that makes the individual jiva-souls the independent PERSONS they are eternally. 

These qualities establish the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) as independent PERSONS, as a spiritual bodily form whose eternal home are the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, within Krsna's eternal endless pastimes. 

In the spiritual world personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges expressed through free will, are ALWAYS encouraged by Krsna in His eternal relationship with the jiva-souls, this adds variegatedness, flavour, variety and mystery to the relationship between the individual jiva-souls and Krsna.

The Kingdom of God therefore, is NOT a "one-sided" dominating impersonal domain devoid of free will (freedom of self-expression), that does not allow personal independent contributions or offerings to God (Krsna), meant to expand, enrich, flavour and add mystery to the relationship.

Genuine loving relations and service are ALWAYS based on voluntary reciprocal exhanges and contributions between TWO, not just one (impersonalism)!!

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No, love means two, there MUST be two." (SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Free will only has meaning when the jiva-souls can express themselves in a two-sided relationship by contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.

Srila Prabhupāda - "Love means a relationship between "two persons," then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)

All individual jīva-souls are ETERNAL persons, therefore there are no new jiva-souls being created because they have ALWAYS existed meaning they are beginningless and endless.

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 9th July 1970)

The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) have no origin or beginning point because they have ALWAYS existed for infinity as explained above.

So, clearly there is no origin or beginning point to Krsna's marginal energy (an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls), who have existed for as long as Krsna has existed and will continue to exist for eternity (infinity).

The individual jiva-souls can enter or possess and experience any material bodily container or vessel they choose over the infinity of their endless existence, but only temporarily.

This is because all outer material bodily vessels or containers (matter) that covers the eternal individual jiva-souls (anti-matter), eventually breaks down, decomposes (dies) and again merges back into the "oneness" of the material energy that all bodily vessels are made from in the material world.

However, the eternal individual jiva-souls (anti-matter) are not affected by the decomposition and demise of the external temporary material bodily vessel (matter) they are in.

Also, each eternal individual jiva-soul (anti-matter) can NEVER become another individual jiva-soul, Krsna, Radharani, Visnu, Narayana and their expansions, or Siva and his expansions.

The individual jiva-souls are eternal persons who always have the choice (fee will) to express themselves in their own unique way in the spiritual world, or reject Krsna and enter the temporary material world if they choose.

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are NOT complete in themselves unless they have their own unique independence (free will) to voluntarily choose to serve Krsna in their own unique way.

Therefore, without "free will or self expression," there can be no personal voluntary contributions or personal unique offerings to Krsna in a "two-sided" loving relationship.

Under these impersonal "one-sided" dictatorial conditions, the individual jiva-soul's existence would be no better than mindless drones devoid of any self-expression, personal voluntary contributions and reciprocating in a loving "two-way" relationship, is spiritual suicide.

All marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in the spiritual world are eternal servants by choice who make their own independent decisions while serving Krsna, this makes them the unique contributing PERSON they are eternally, only then can an unlimited variety of intentional loving exchanges with Krsna be possible in a "two-way" reciprocal exhange.

Srila Prabhupada - "In the spiritual world service is voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there if they want to be a flower and lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, then he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to human body also. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is a reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take, and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Krsna does not force His dominance over the jiva-souls in the spiritual world like a puppet master impersonally controls his puppets with strings.

Free will exists with the jiva-souls for the purpose of allowing self-expression and voluntary personal contributions in their relationship with Krsna, making the relationship a "two-sided" loving affair instead of a "one-way" dictatorship.

The reason why "life" (the unlimited existence of individual jiva-souls) can NEVER be generated (created), is because the life force (that includes an unlimited collection of unique indestructible individual jiva-souls) have ALWAYS existed and were NEVER created.

Individual life (the collective of jiva-souls) are beginningless and endless as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains.

Dormant "Life" (the individual jiva-souls) are only "awakened" after the jiva-souls have fallen to the dormant (inactive) conditional state in the atom, and the impersonal brahmajyoti, they do NOT originate from from the impersonal brahmajyoti, they are only awakened from their dormant state in the brahmajyoti.

Such a "fall down" to the dormant (inactive) brahmajyoti, is unnatural for the jiva-souls whose real "nature" is to be fully "active" in Kṛṣṇa's eternal pastimes.

"Individual life" therefore is never created, not even by Krsna because "individual life" has ALWAYS existed.

Once fallen to the material world of repeated birth and death, the individual jiva-souls can become frustrated with that constant suffering of birth, disease, old age and death and fall even further to the dormant (inactive) impersonal brahmajyoti, or can become dormant even in the atom.

When individual life (the jiva-souls) eventually awakens from their dormant impersonal existence in the brahmajyoti, or the material atom, some jiva-souls will WRONGLY believe life originated or is created (generated) from the an impersonal origin in the brahmajyoti.

However, the individual jiva-souls or life force has only been resting in a dormant inactive condition attained from a previous existence in the material world, a previous material universe long, long, long ago.

No individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) originate from the impersonal Brahmajyoti which is an inactive condition of consciousness the individual jiva-souls fall too as Prabhupada explains here-

Srila Prabhupada - "Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness." (Letter to Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Others may also WRONGLY believe the individual life force is an "all-one all-pervading energy or force" and only has form and individuality when contained in a material bodily vessel, just like water contained in a jar becomes separated from the ocean of water around it by being in the jar.

The individual "life force" in the category know as the "jiva-souls" (marginal living entities), are NOT ultimately an "all-one-pervading" consciousness, they are eternal individual units (PERSONS).

The "life force" in the category of jiva-souls (marginal living entities), are a collective of eternal spiritual individual living beings who each have their own eternal unique personality, individual identity and spiritual bodily form.

The belief that all jiva-souls ultimately merge into "one consciousnees" like rivers merge into the sea, and only become an individual when embodied, is called dangerous mayavadi impersonalism because it denies the "life force" is ultimately an unlimited collective of unique individual eternal jiva-souls.

So the conclusion is, the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are eternal spiritual living PERSONS who can never be destroyed, terminated, divided into pieces, extinguished or lose their individual identity.

The individual jiva-souls are indestructible and were NEVER created, they have ALWAYS existed like Krsna has always existed as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains above.

On the other hand in a paradox understanding, Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the cause of ALL causes which means EVERYTHING rests in Him and depends on Him always.

This includes His unlimited individual jiva-soul expansions, Lord Siva, His unlimited variety of Visnu-tattva expansions including Srimati Radharani and Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu.

All the above are paradoxically ALL-ONE with Krsna from Krsna's point of view (through the eyes of God) are all part of Him because Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes. 

However, Krsna is really "similtaneously one and different" - "Achintya-Bheda-Abheda Tattva" with all that there is because ultimately EVERYTHING belongs to Kṛṣṇa.

This philosophy of Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu is very difficult to understand, and is only properly realised by genuine devotees of Lord Krsna. ×<>×.

The eternal individual jiva-souls (perpetual anti-matter) can enter or possess and experience any material bodily container or vessel (covered by temporary matter) they choose over an infinity.

This is because the individual jiva-souls are beginningless and endless like Kṛṣṇa and were never created.

However, the eternal jiva-soul's (anti-matter)existence in a temporary material body only lasts for a short time period because of the material bodily vessel's limited existence due to decay and ultimate breakdown of biological matter that covers the eternal indestructible jiva-souls (anti-matter).

The eternal jiva-souls (anti-matter) are different from the decaying material bodily vessel (matter) that covers the individual jiva-souls who are eternal spiritual living PERSONS appearing as a perpetual spiritual bodily form that can NEVER be destroyed, terminated, divided into pieces, extinguished or lose their unique individual identity as an independent voluntary contributing "person" because they are indestructible.

All outer material bodies (matter) that covers the eternal individual jiva-souls (anti-matter), eventually breaks down, decomposes and again merges back into the "oneness" of the material energy (matter) that all material bodily vessels or containers are made from in the material world.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)

All individual jīva-souls are ETERNAL unique persons as a spiritual bodily form, therefore there are no new jiva-souls being created because they have ALWAYS existed meaning they are beginningless and endless.

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 9 July 1970)

The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) have no origin or beginning point because they have ALWAYS existed for infinity as explained above.

So, clearly there is no origin or beginning point to Krsna's marginal energy (an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls), who have existed for as long as Krsna has existed and will continue to exist for eternity (infinity).

Devotee - "Many say, 'why do you worry so much about death? We are living and enjoying life now, why do you worry about death?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Because we are intelligent, therefore, you'll die and become a dog because of that ignorance of living for the moment (like the animal kingdom live), so I am taking sympathy on you, that 'don't become a dog in your next life.' The example is given, just like a child is flying a kite and is going this way and that way on the roof, dangerously near the edge of the roof. So one gentleman standing nearby and shouts, 'Hey, you'll fall down!' That is his duty. But the boy replies, 'Why you are checking me? Why you are checking on me?' The gentleman relies, 'because I am human being trying to protect you, you are a foolish boy, therefore, I am checking on you.' This is natural, even though the child is not his son, because he is a gentleman he wants to give him some protection. It is the duty of gentleman."(Conversation, New Vrindavan, June 24, 1976)**

Srila Prabhupada - "So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas (conditioned in the temporary material world) AGAIN nitya-siddha (eternally liberated in their real eternal home on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana), to bring them to their original position. It is a difficult task." (New York City Lecture, CC, July 13, 1976)

It is very important to understand that the individual jiva-souls are eternal persons each with their own unique bodily form that can change voluntarily in the spiritual world according to Krsna's pastime.

This means each individual jiva-soul (marginal living entity) has their own personality separate from Krsna's Personality, and the free will to make their own decisions to stay in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, or leave.

The eternal spiritual bodily form is anti-matter (spiritual energy as an individual PERSONS as a spiritual bodily form) 

sat,

cit,

ananda,

vigraha.

These word's means-

eternity,

knowledge,

bliss,

form.

Over 90% of eternal individual jiva-souls choose to stay in the spiritual world even though they can choose to leave if they want at ant time. In fact almost 10% do choose to leave and enter the material world via the dreams of Maha-Visnu.

The individual jiva-soul's voluntary contributions and full potential are eternally expressed fully in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.

In the spiritual worlds the jiva-souls are never forced to surrender to Krsna or do anything they choose not to do, all service there is voluntary.

For loving service to truly exist, the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) must be able to voluntarily express themselves with their own contributions by making their own choices, their own decisions, even if it means rejecting Krsna, otherwise there can be no question of free will or being able to voluntarily express themselves as an individual and experience loving exchanges in a two-way relationship."

This quality of free will is part and parcel of every jiva-soul's marginal constitution that allows them to be an independent contributor that expands one's service to Krsna.

The eternal marginal living entities (jiva-souls) always have their free will or freedom of voluntary expression, this quality of free will is always included when describing the attributes of the individual jiva-souls.

As said above, Krsna allows this freedom because without voluntary loving exchanges, personal offerings within a two-way reciprocal relationship, then love could never exist.

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return to the material atmosphere. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that." (Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

Having free will is the constitutional make up of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) that is eternally part and parcel of their individual character and personality in the spiritual world's of the Vaikuṇṭha planets and Goloka Vrindavana.

This includes at anytime the jiva-souls can choose to leave the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana if they desire. It is nonsense to claim the jiva-souls can never fall down to the material world once in the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana, having free will means they always have a choice without the independent quality of voluntary choices (free will), there is no question of loving exchanges.

So the choice to even leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana is possible because Krsna allows a "two-way" relationship where one can accept or reject Krsna if they choose.

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will, unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing is bad but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Talk on Rene Descartes philosophy)

Also, there is only one classification of jiva-souls, not two as some believe, each individual jiva-soul can be either nitya-siddha (liberated in the spiritual world) or nitya-baddha (conditioned in the material world or inactive in the impersonal brahmajyoti) 

In this way the jiva-souls can choose for themselves to be with Krsna, or reject Krsna. This is because each individual jiva-soul, as part of their spiritual constitutional make-up, always have free will.

Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence; that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Some wrongly claim there are two types of individual jiva-souls-

1 - One who stays on the Vaikuṇṭha planets and Goloka Vṛndāvana and never fall down to the material world (nitya-siddha)

2 - And the other in the material world (nitya-baddha) who can also be dormant (inactive) in the impersonal Brahmajyoti. But can only enter the spiritual world from the material world, and once there can never fall down, so they claim.

As said above, there is only one category of jiva-soul who has two-sides to their individual personality, they can be nitya-siddha (liberated in the spiritual world) or nitya-baddha (conditioned in the material world, or inactive in the impersonal brahmajyoti)

The jiva-soul's original position is nitya-siddha (eternally liberated in the spiritual world) the jiva-soul's natural infinite home.

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense everyone comes from Krsnaloka (Goloka-Vrindavana). When one forgets Krsna he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada – "The answer to your question about the marginal energy is that the jiva-soul is always called the marginal energy whether he is in the spiritual world or in the material world." (Letter to Rayarama, Dec 2, 1968)

Srila Prabhupada - "There are two kinds of marginal living entities: nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha, the actual constitutional position of every marginal living entity is nitya-siddha." (CC, New York City lecture, July 13, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can become again nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha." (New York Lecture City, CC, July 13, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas (conditioned in the temporary material world) AGAIN nitya-siddha (eternally liberated in their real eternal home on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana), to bring them to their original position. It is a difficult task." (New York City Lecture, CC, July 13, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "Nitya-baddhas are within this material world. Beginning from Brahma down to a small ant, insignificant ant, they are all nitya-baddha. Anyone who is in this material world they are nitya baddha." (Lecture BG, July 14, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "We cannot say therefore that we are not with Krsna. As soon as we try to become Lord, immediately Maya covers us. Formerly we were with Krsna in His lila or sport. But this covering of Maya may be of very, very, very, very long duration; therefore many creations are coming and going." (Letter to Madhudvisa Swami June 1972 Australia)

Srila Prabhupada – ''Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka (Goloka Vrindavana), does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 25 April 1970)

Srila Prabhupada – "These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities. There is no new souls. New and old are due to this material body, but the soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth how there can be new soul." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 9 July 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "Regarding your questions concerning the spirit souls falling into Maya’s influence, it is not that those who have developed a passive relationship with Krsna are more likely to fall into nescient activities. Usually anyone who has developed his relationship with Krsna does not fall down in any circumstance, but because the independence is always there, the soul may fall down from any position or any relationship by misusing his independence." (Letter to Jagadisa 27 Feb 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "But his relationship with Krsna is never lost, simply forgotten by the influence of maya, but it can be regained or revived by the process of hearing the Holy Name of Krsna and then the devotee engages himself in the service of the Lord which is his original constitutional position. The relationship of the living entity with Krsna is eternal as both Krsna and the living entity are eternal; the process is one of revival only, nothing new." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 27 Feb 1970)

Krsna (God) is more inclined to help those who first voluntarily do everything they can to help themselves by finding a "bonafide" spiritual master to teach them spiritual life.

If one is honest with themselves, Krsna sends the Guru (spiritual teacher) who will guide them out of the material creation and return back home, back to Godhead to be with Krsna.

Only then will Krsna help you when He sees you are trying your very hardest to do everything you can to help yourself, only then will Krsna send you a spiritual teacher.

Srila Prabhupada - "In all the śāstras [scriptures] the guru is described to be as good as God, but the guru never says, ‘I am God.’ The disciple’s duty is to offer respect to the guru just as he offers respect to God, but the guru never thinks, ‘My disciples are offering me the same respect they offer to God; therefore I have become God.’ As soon as he thinks like this, he becomes a dog." (From the Book, Science of reealization)

Real loving exchanges are voluntary and reciprocal, it is never a "one-way street" where Krsna does all the the jiva-souls thinking and actions for them, that is NOT surrendering to Krsna, it is impersonalism, it is extinguishing one's individual identity and their voluntarily contributions that enrich one's relationship with Krsna.

This mindless type of surrender where fool bogus devotees of Kṛṣṇa tell you to surrender your free will, individual contributions and and intelligence, is spiritual suicide!

Surrender to Krsna's pure devotees does not mean you lose your free will, independence and individuality to be qualified to enter the spiritual world, no, such bogus surrender is impersonalism.

The marginal living entity (jiva-soul) has always had freedom (free will) therefore, there is no question of the marginal living entity ever not having free will because free will in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana is perpetually part and parcel of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) make up.

The eternal individual marginal living entities (jiva-souls) originate perpetually from Goloka-Vrindavana as a spiritual bodily form, and not the Impersonal Brahman as Prabhupada teaches.

Originally all jiva-souls are nitya-siddha because they all come from Goloka-Vrindavana, only when they enter the material creation and the impersonal brahman do they then become nitya-baddha.

Therefore nitya-siddha can become a nitya-baddhas and nitya-baddhas can AGAIN become nitya-siddha.

No individual jiva-souls originates from the impersonal Brahmajyoti because they are beginningless and endless and have no origin.

Srila Prabhupada - "Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness, those who are in the brahman effulgence (inactive) are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness." (Letter to Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Devotee – "When we are in the spiritual sky and serving Krsna, we have a perfect relationship with Krsna, what causes us to fall down in the material world, because we’re already serving Krsna?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Because you desire to fall down. Here it is explained that "Don’t fall down."

Devotee – "Srila Prabhupada, I can’t understand why we should have an impure desire when we are already serving."

Srila Prabhupada – "Because you have got little freedom. Why one is not coming here and going to the liquor shop? It is desire."

Devotee – "In the Srimad-Bhagavatam, it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, you forced Krsna to allow you to come. Just like sometimes a child forces his father. Father says, "My dear son, do not do this. Do not go there." But he insists, Oh, I must go. I must go." "All right, you go at your risk. That’s all. And you suffer. What can be done?" Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, almighty—therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. You have got little independence. So God does not interfere with your little independence. If you persist that "I must go and enjoy independently," so God says, "All right, you can go." This is the position. You have to take sanction. That is a fact. But when you persist, God sanctions. And you come and enjoy." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Question - Is there a place in the spiritual world from where we can never fall down from?"

Answer - No, it is not based on a place where you can never fall down from that keeps you in Vaikuntha, it does not work that way because of free will, which means there is always choice. If you had no fee will then how can there be love?

The choice to leave or stay must always be with the individual jiva-souls otherwise free will has no meaning.

So many who consider themselves advanced devotees of God cannot understand what free will really means, they sentimentally claim "not even the leaves can fall down from Vaikuntha."

It is nonsense to claim the jiva-souls can ever again fall down from Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana because each individual jiva-soul has their own unique free will and can make their own decisions whether Krsna likes them or not, otherwise what is the point of having free will if I enter the spiritual world to never again fall down to the material world. 

Such so called gurus, sanyasis, vedic scholars and devotees are all silly sentimental fools if they believe once reaching Vaikuntha the jiva-souls never again fall down to the material world. 

Remaining in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana eternally is based on what the jiva-soul's want to do as a unique individual, it is their choice to say or go not Krsnas as explained above otherwise there is no meaning to having free will.

If Krsna forced His will on the jiva-souls then He destroys their independence, free will and ability to voluntarily express themselves in their own unique way, allowing themselves to choose where they want to be even if returning to the material creation.

In other words, the jiva-souls also have a choice to become a servant of the Lord or can reject Him if they want, even in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, only sentimental fools polluted by impersonalism cannot understand this.

The jiva-souls never lose their unique ability of free will and independent self expression, where one is personally always aware they can choose how to selflessly serve Krsna in their own unique way as the loving servant of the servant of Krsna.

The fact that one does not again fall from Krsna's personal Kingdom is the jiva-soul's responsibility too and not just only Krsnas.

It is the jiva-soul's choice as well, it is their free will to choose and no one else can choose for them including Krsna.

However, 90% of all jiva-souls do not fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana because they choose not to.

That choice to stay in Vaikuntha or leave is always with the marginal living entities or jiva-souls.

The jiva-souls or marginal living entities have 78.125% of Krsna's quantities or 50 of Krsna's 64 attributes which puts them in the realm of having independence, identity, personality, individuality and the ability to choose. This means the jiva-souls have the ability to agree or not agree with Krsna.

Their individuality allows the jiva-souls the right to choose Krsna or choose to be separate from Krsna, this is the meaning of free will.

Remember, Maya and the material energy do not exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, so Maya is unknown to the jiva-souls in the spiritual worlds.

However, free will and independence allows the jiva-souls to experience a unique sense of individuality with the ability to express oneself in their own way.

All these qualities are the constitutional makeup of each jiva-soul in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.

And if all those abilities are taken away, then the jiva-souls lose the ability to give and accept love and become no better than dead stone.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no ''free will, "then you are a stone. The stone has no "free will." Do you want to be stone? Then, you must have "free will!" But don't misuse your ''free will." But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - "Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, almighty—therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. You have got little independence. So God does not interfere with your little independence." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

No one forces the eternal individual jiva-souls to stay in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, that voluntary (choice). For loving exchanges and reciprocation to truly exist with the individual jiva-soul, they must be able to express themselves as the independent persons they are, and choose for themselves if they want leave the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka Vrindavana, therefore returning there is not necessarily permanent.

In the material world Krsna never interferes with the jiva-soul's desires, they can be truly on their own in the material world, or when dormant in the impersonal brahmajyoti.  

Syamasundara dasa - "But can we predict that the process (returning back home back to Godhead) will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, otherwise there is no meaning of independence and free will. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."

Devotee "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no question of permanent because he has got independence, he can misuse his independence, he can fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is not to come back. but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again." (Discussions with Syamasundara on Henri Bergson philosophy)

The eternal individual jiva-souls have 78.125% of Krsna's 64 qualities which means they have 50 of Krsna's 64 qualities. 

The eternal individual jiva-souls are a separated and minor expansion of Krsna endowed with an individual identity with their own unique personality that allows them to experience an independent personal sense of reality separate from Krsna absolute control over the individual jiva-souls.

This allows the jiva-souls to make their own decisions and choices as the unique contributing PERSON they are eternally. Again, Krsna does not interfere with the individual jiva-soul's free will because "free will" is part of the eternal constitution of all jiva-souls.

Krsna never at any point, did not give freedom or free will to the individual marginal living entities (jiva-soul) because they have always had free will on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana eternally

Free will allows the jiva-souls to experience individuality, loving reciprocation, independent service, and be responsible for their actions.

This however does not means all jiva-soul's are independent from Krsna's control of all things, that is not possible.

At all time the jiva-souls are always dependent on Krsna or His expansions, even as independent individuals because Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.

Therefore the jiva-souls always remain independent living entities, but always simultaneously depend on Krsna and His expansions in both the spiritual worlds and material worlds.

The jiva-souls are never fully independent because Krsna owns everything.

So, even though the jiva-souls are an expansion of Krsna, the jiva-souls are not one with Krsna in personality, the jiva-souls are also independent with their own unique personality.

As said above, the individual jiva-souls are not one with Krsna but are independent thinking marginal living entities with their own sense of  independent self, personality and character that makes them one in purpose with Krsna an a unique individual PERSON eternally.

Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu is the manifestation of Radha and Krsna in one Body where both experience each other's love for each other.

Infact, Krsna, Balarama, Radharani and Lord Caitanya are all the one personality, are all Visnu-tattvas originating from Krsna.

However a small minority of jiva-soul's (independent souls who have 78.125% of Krsna's qualities which is have 50 of Krsna's 64 attributes) can choose to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavan if they like, regardless of how some scholars, sages, devotees have interpreted Vedic texts like Srimad Bhagavatam (Bhagavat Purana).

Their claim that once reaching Vaikuntha the jiva-soul never fall down is not fully correct.

Therefore, to say those who enter Vaikuntha will never again fall down is only true for those who choose not to fall down.

In other words, if the eternal individual jiva-soul wants to leave they certainly can otherwise having free will has no meaning and Krsna's kingdom is a impersonalists paradise that needs to be rejected as bogus!

Going to the material worlds is ultimately the jiva-soul's choice and Krsna does not interfere, even though He has promised there is no return to the material creation once entering the Spiritual atmosphere.

The fact, there is return if the jiva-souls wants to return to the material creation Prabhupada tells us, it is their choice too.

Acyutananda – "But in the Bhagavad Gita it says, “Once coming to the spiritual abodes, he never returns to the material world, he can return?"

Srila Prabhupada – "If he likes he can return, that is voluntary."

Guru-kripa – "How is it that one can become envious of Krsna?"

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence, you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God, God has got full independence, but you have got little independence, proportionately, because you are part and parcel, if he likes, he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that. Krsna-bahirmukha haïä bhoga väïchä kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown." (Conversation, Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

For those who believe no one can ever fall down from the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana have not understood the variety of living entities in Vaikuntha of whom the individual jiva-souls are just one.

The majority of Krsna's internal potency (personnel) are His Visnu-tattva expansions.  

Also, it is only a very small minority of jiva-souls who choose to leave and not in the category of Visnu-tattvas who never fall down because they are Krsna Himself playing another role in His own pastimes.

Many have not understood there are many different categories of living entities in Vrindavana who never fall down, such as the many categories of "sakti-tattvas" who are not all jiva-souls but Visnu-tattva personalities.

Many are direct expansions of Krsna with most of His qualities, like Visnu-tattva who have 93.75% of Krsna's qualities, which is having 60 of Krsna's 64 attributes).

Of course such Visnu-tattva expansions never fall down because they are Krsna experiencing Himself in another role, like in a play.

So for them, choice is exactly the same as Krsna's choice. And for over 90% of jiva-souls who have the ability to choose, they also never fall down because they choose not to fall down.

Devotee - "Well, I believe you once said that once a conditioned soul becomes perfected and gets out of the material world and he goes to Krsnaloka (Goloka-Vrindavana), there’s no possibility of falling down again?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is possibility, but he does not come IF he is intelligent. Just like after putting your hand in the fire, you never put it in again if you are really intelligent. So those who are going back to Godhead, they become intelligent." (CC, Adi-lila 7.108 San Francisco, Feb 18, 1967)

However, there will always be a very small minority of only the jiva-souls who misuse their free will and leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.

Free will is eternal in the spiritual worlds, without having the choice to either forget or remember Krsna, then we would have no independent personality separate from Krsna's Personality and no ability to voluntarily offer love, we would be like dead stone or machines in a factory.

The eternal constitution and original position of the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) is fully explained by Krsna disguised as a brahmana as follows-

The Brāhmaṇa said - "My dear friend, even though you cannot immediately recognize Me, can't you remember that in the past you had a very intimate friend? Unfortunately, you gave up My company and accepted a position as enjoyer of this material world." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 28 text 53)

Srila Prabhupada - "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force. Therefore Krsna says, yathecchasi tathä kuru. "Now you do whatever you like." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975).×÷=.