On the Vaikuntha Planets and Goloka-Vrindavan, the jiva-tattva is not some mindless parrot like personality without any free will and thinks only what Krishna wants you to think as some foolish silly immature devotees believed in the 1970s.
NO! Krishna does not want that kind of slave relationships.
The PROPER understanding of one's relationship with Krishna is based on loving "thoughtful" exchanges, personal contributions unique to each jiva tattva and reciprocation.
If you want REAL genuine friendship that lasts forever, then go back home back to Godhead (either Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavan - your choice)
Only there does the full potential of your Spiritual identity, sense of individual self and personality eternally exists.
In the Spiritual World no two jiva souls are the same, each jiva soul has their own individual identity, their own unique sense of self and personality which means THEY can choose what THEY want to offer to Krishna based on loving exchanges and reciprocation.
In Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, the jiva tattva is NOT a mindless parrot personality that only repeats and thinks what Krishna wants you to think and say, as foolish silly immature young devotee in the 1970s preached, claiming this was the real meaning of how to "surrender" is.
No, the Spiritual World is NOT impersonal liked that, you differently have your own personal unique characteristics and independent identity that can choose how to serve and please Krishna in your own unique way.
The fact is, you are NOT Krishna's mindless slave, pawn or some silly spark or atom in Krishna's lotus feet when your full potential is realized.
Your relationship with Krishna is based on loving exchanges and reciprocation when the jiva tattva is expressing their full Spiritual individual potential.
In the Spiritual World Krishna does NOT want mindless "yes" men or women, Krishna ONLY wants those who think for themselves, expanding their free will and offering the very best of whom THEY are as Krishna's "thoughtful" eternal servant.
Sadly what some believe, which is one must surrender their free will and let Krishna do the thinking for you, is impersonal nonsense.
Seeking to be an atom in Krishna's lotus feet or His effulgence is also nonsense impersonalism because entering the "inactive or dormant" Brahmajyoti and trying to extinguish your identity is ignorance.
Such a condition, even if achieved, like some impersonalist mystic yogis also strive for, is only temporary.
Those jiva tattva's who long, long, long ago "chose" to enter the Impersonal Brahmajyoti (meaning they fell down to the impersonal Brahman or Brahmajyoti) will ALWAYS eventually fall out of that inactive dormant Impersonal Brahmajyoti state, and "again" re-enter the material creation and take birth.
Such impersonalism does NOT exist in the "active" loving personal pastimes on the Vaikuntha Planets or in Goloka-Vrindavan.
Also in the Spiritual Planets YOU, including all other jiva souls, ARE their bodily form and is who they REALLY are perpetually.
You do not take a bodily container in the Spiritual World like in the material creation, because you ARE your bodily form.
Only those rare genuine devotees of the Lord in the material creation, who fully understand they are NOT their material body, but an eternal spiritual personality, will experience true friendship with other devotees even in this temporary material creation.
Almost all (except for those rare devotees) relationships in the material creation (including marriage) are simply a "relationship of convenience" and NOT a genuine relationship of loving exchanges and reciprocation that are experienced fully on the Spiritual platform.
Furthermore, attraction to be in the association of others in the material world is simply based on lust, greed, exploitation, false adoration, selfishness, ignorance and mostly, due to the fear of loneliness and boredom.
Therefore so called love based on material bodily identity and relationships, is NOT real love at all.
On the material platform, REAL love does NOT exist in the material creation.
All forms of material life are controlled by the instincts of eating, sleeping, mating and defending.
PAINTING - Eternal friendship and love in the Spiritual World of Goloka Vrindavan.
Friday, June 5, 2020
On the Vaikuntha Planets and Goloka-Vrindavan, the jiva-tattva is not some mindless parrot like personality without any free will and thinks only what Krishna wants you to think as some foolish silly immature devotees believed in the 1970s. NO! Krishna does not want that kind of slave relationships. The PROPER understanding of one's relationship with Krishna is based on loving "thoughtful" exchanges, personal contributions unique to each jiva tattva and reciprocation.
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Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life". (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)
ReplyDeleteSelfless love (Bhakti that means devotion) is the key ingredient to making all relationships successful.
Understanding this is also the standard in Spiritual life or Krishna Consciousness when properly understood.
On the spiritual level of Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, one never denies, or attempts to extinguish their free will or individuality thinking that is becoming selfless, or is the meaning of surrender.
Being the unique person one eternally is, and having the free will that enables one to give the very best of their character in the service of the Lord, is what selflessness and surrender really means, and is basis of who one is as that independent person.
This is the constitutional make up of every marginal living entity.
Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!". (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)
Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom.” (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)
The jiva souls in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana therefore are forever expanding their sense of individuality with personal offerings based on selfless loving reciprocation with Krishna, it is NEVER a one sided relation with the Lord.
Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krishna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (July 8, 1976)
Real love or Bhakti is reciprocal, as said above, it is NEVER a one way street where surrender to Krishna takes away one's sense of self, individuality and personal contributions.
Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krishna give us free will if He knew we would miss use it in the material world?"
Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life". (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)
This is important to understand because each individual jiva-soul has their own independent personality, sense of self and unique characteristics that THEY only individually have, that is part and parcel of each individual marginal living entities make up as the independent eternal "person" they are.
Srila Prabhupada - “Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, almighty—therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. You have got little independence. "So God does not interfere with your little independence”. (Conversation in Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974 between Srila Prabhupada and his disciples)
Devotee – "But In the Srimad-Bhagavatam, it says that Krishna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krishna did not want us to come, why are we here?” Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?”
Srila Prabhupada - “That means YOU lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krishna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C)