Did Dinosaurs once really exist?
So what does Prabhupada mean when he says -
Srila Prabhupada - "There is no such thing as extinction of species, all animals on this planet ALWAYS exist?" (July 3, 1976, Washington, D.C)
We should try to understand what Prabhupada really means here.
Maybe the answer is simple, what Srila Prabhupada means is the material creation is always repeating its "cycles of creation and annihilation" happening in ever day of Lord Brahma. This further means that all species of life again exist fully when every new day of Brahma begins. So technically all species of life ALWAYS exist when every day of Brahma begins.
The following 45 year old conversation from 1976 in Washington DC with Prabhupada about the discovery of Dinosaur bones, was back then in its infancy and needs more research to understand what the truth really is.
Frankly, with what we know today in 2021, speaks volumes. What I have personally seen in outback Australia in the 1990s, proves without a doubt that large dinosaurs CERTAINLY did once exist. We just cannot ignore this evidence, no matter what some claim Sastra (scripture) says.
By Personally putting these bones together and seeing the out come of these gigantic animals they once were, was certainly NOT my imagination!
In other words, Dinosaurs once DID exist all over the planet and to denying this fact is simply ignorance. No one should follow any belief blindly or sentimentally, what ever one claims, even Guru must have his checks and balances. In other words, what ever Guru says MUST be proven beyond any doubt.
Yes, Sastric (religious texts) are also needed as solid evidence too, but so are basic scientific "out in the field facts" knowledge too.
We are always told the material senses are faulty and therefore we cannot make judgements based on our senses.
This is simply NOT true.
The material senses have faults, but we ALWAYS depend on them to know heat from cold, when and when not to cross the road etc.
To just say we cannot see and feel properly through our faulty material senses, is only partly right in a Spiritual way however, the fact is, everyday we depend on the decisions made with our material sense.
So NOT by Sastra (scripture) alone can we see EVERYTHING around us and should therefore ignore the physical evidence in the fields around us, like discovering thousands of bones they ARE finding, proving Dinosaurs DID exist. And this is NOT the imagation of archeologicists as some have ignorantly claimed!
Religion without scientific knowledge is sentimental nonsense, and Science without Religion is impersonal materialistic nonsense.
There MUST be a balance that looks at ALL evidence.
And based on that evidence today, to deny that Dinasauras DID once exist is ridiculous.
So what does Prabhupada mean when he says -
Srila Prabhupada - "There is no such thing as extinction of species, all animals on this planet ALWAYS exist?"
We should try to understand what he really means here.
Maybe the answer is, he means because the material creation is always repeating its cycles of creation and annihilation in ever day of Brahma, all species of life technically ALWAYS exist.
Srila Prabhupāda - "So, as far as possible, you can give explanation from Bhāgavatam. Otherwise, how you can..."
Devotee - "So by giving these examples then they might think this has very good explanatory power, and they will therefore accept it".
Srila Prabhupāda - "So the general division in the higher planetary system is the devatās, beginning from sun, moon and other planetary systems, they are in modes of goodness prominent. Less, below that, bhūr bhuvaḥ, they are passionate, and below that, they are ignorant".
Devotee - "Do the number of demigods have something to do with the number of species, like there are thirty-three million demigods?"
Srila Prabhupāda - "There are thirty-three million. Thirty crores. There are also divisions, Gandharvas, Apsarās".
Svarūpa Dāmodara - "Do they belong to these species? They are also included in these eight million four hundred? These Gandharvas?"
Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes".
Svarūpa Dāmodara - "So they are counted, what, as human beings?"
Srila Prabhupāda - "Some of them are devatās, some of them are human being".
Rūpānuga - "When we say four hundred thousand species of human beings, that doesn't include all the demigods then".
Srila Prabhupāda - "The demigods are like human beings".
Svarūpa Dāmodara - "Prabhupāda told me that when you become a devotee, you are a demigod. (laughs)"
Srila Prabhupāda - "The whole evolutionary process means to bring the living entity to the platform of goodness and then transcend that platform also, come to pure goodness. That is devotion".
Devotee - "Prabhupāda? You explained that all those forms are already existing. What is the meaning of all those forms if there is no one inhabiting them? Why is it that they all exist without..."
Srila Prabhupāda - "No, no, how you can say nobody is inhabiting?"
Devotee - "You said that they are there, you just go to the different forms. So that means they are existing without anyone living there?"
Srila Prabhupāda - "No, form, a class of form. It can be immediately, that A class, B class, C class, D class. So if you are fit for D class, immediately form for you, a D class body is there, made".
Svarūpa Dāmodara - "It is also existing in the sense that in the unmanifested form, before it is manifested, the form is there".
Srila Prabhupāda - "No, no. That is species. Form is there already. They are existing. So you require to get another form, but the same class. First-class compartment is there. If it is, one bogey is already, first-class filled up, then railroad company brings another bogey and gives place to the passengers. That's all, there is no difficulty. What is the difficulty? Put him into this particular mother's womb and he gets a form, that's all. Parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate (Cc. Madhya 13.65, purport). Don't compare Kṛṣṇa's power with your power. He can do anything, anyone, immediately".
Svarūpa Dāmodara - "So called Acintya. (pause) What is the biological concept of species?"
Sadāpūta - "All they can do is base it on the similarity of what the animals look like. They have trouble counting species. Śrīla Prabhupāda? Are there different meanings, this day of Brahmā? Are there different creations and annihilations of species? Different Manus, they are sometimes flooding the whole earth".
Srila Prabhupāda - "There are different, when Brahmā goes to sleep, that is one kind of devastation, and when he dies there is one kind. And during Brahmā's days there are other devastations, manvantara".
Sadāpūta - "After a devastation, do the..."
Srila Prabhupāda - "Different classes of devastation. There are many devastations during Brahmā's day, and there is another devastation during Brahmā's sleep, and another devastation when Brahmā dies".
Svarūpa Dāmodara - "And during different Manus also".
Srila Prabhupāda - "That is day. Such devastation takes place during Brahmā's day. Fourteen Manus".
Svarūpa Dāmodara - "Do we know that in detail, Śrīla Prabhupāda? What type of species are extinct? Not all the species extinct. As it is during Brahmā's day, that partial annihilation, devastation, now some species are extinct?"
Srila Prabhupāda - No species extinct. What you are reading? This is garbage.(?)"
Svarūpa Dāmodara - "The physical forms".
Srila Prabhupāda - "No, nothing is extinct. Everything is going on".
Svarūpa Dāmodara - "At that point, they are going to come up with the point that "How about dinosaurs?" They are going to ask like that".
Srila Prabhupāda - "That is imagination, where is dinosaur finding".
Svarūpa Dāmodara - "They say they have all the bones".
Srila Prabhupāda - "No, they are describing maybe another animal. That is existing. That is Timiṅgila, they can swallow up big, big whale fishes. That big, bones, they are living still. Nothing is extinct. They are already there".
Rūpānuga - "Did these dinosaurs exist, or is it just their imagination?"
Srila Prabhupāda - "The big animal exists. I call it dinosaur or finosaur, that is your choice. Big animals existing. Timiṅgila, I said the name, Timiṅgila, still exist".
Rūpānuga - "Still exist".
Srila Prabhupāda - "Oh, yes. They are always existing. Water elephants. There are elephants in water. Everything".
Rūpānuga - "So there is no such thing as extinction".
Srila Prabhupāda - "No extinction, there is no question of extinction".
Rūpānuga - "If these animals were on this planet some millions of years ago, they are still here, is that correct?"
Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes. What do you know what are there within the water? You can take information from the śāstras. It is not possible for you to see and go into the water, how big, big animals are there". (Discussions -- July 3, 1976, Washington, D.C)
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