Wednesday, November 25, 2020

The jiva-souls NEVER originated from a "clear sheet of consciousness" or the inactive Brahmajyoti or Brahman (impersonalism)

On the Spiritual level the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) were NEVER created.

The jiva-souls have always existed as Bhagavad-Gita As It Is Chapter 2 Text 20 teaches-

Bhagavad Gita - "For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain". (BG Chapter 2 Text 20)

Srila Prabhupada – "All spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha and in the material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities. There is no new soul. New and old are due to this material body, the soul is NEVER born and will NEVER die, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?'' (Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970)

Only the material creation (matter) is created and is always in a state of decay and decline unlike the perpetual Spiritual Worlds. 

Individual marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are expansions of Krsna known as the jiva-tattva, they have 78.125% of Krsna's qualities, which is having 50 of Krsna's 64 qualities. 

As explained above, the jiva-souls were NEVER created, an important point to understand.

"Just like the Sun-disc and the sun-rays cannot exist without each other, similarly Krsna and the jiva-souls cannot exist without each other". (Nectar of Devotion)

As said above the jiva-souls NEVER emerged from a "clear state of inactive consciousness" often called tatastha-sakti. 

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are NOT called tatastha-sakti in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana, tatastha-sakti is a name describing the "fallen" "conditioned" state of the jiva-souls in "the material creation and the impersonal Brahmajyoti".

The jiva-soul did NOT originate from tatastha-sakti, they originated from Vaikuntha.

Srila Prabhupada - "So this "material world" is the taṭastha, the conditioned characteristics, and the "Spiritual Worlds" are the "Personal" characteristics. So our effort is to get out of this taṭastha (conditioned characteristics) and enter the permanent characteristics (Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana). That is called spiritual elevation". (New York City, December 28, 1966)

Revatīnandana - "Srila Prabhupāda you very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and I go to the brahmajyoti I'm still fallen".

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes".

Revatīnandana - "That means all jīva-souls there are also fallen souls?".

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes". (Room Conversation August 17, 1971, London)

Srila Prabhupada - ''Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition, when fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness'' (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

As explained above, in the jiva-soul's original position, they have the same bodily features as Krsna, sat-cit-ananda-vigraha.

Which means a spiritual bodily vessel that is eternal, full of knowledge, full of bliss, and all held together by individual bodily form.

Srila Prabhupada - "Actually the spiritual body means eternal life of bliss and knowledge. This material body which we are possessing now, is neither eternal, nor blissful, nor full of knowledge. The spiritual body is full of knowledge, just opposite. So we can get that body next life, we have to cultivate how to get that type of body. Therefore the best intelligent person will try to get next body full of blissfulness, knowledge, and eternity". (Lecture on BG 2.14, Mexico, February 14, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - “The relationship with Krsna is never lost, it is simply forgotten by the influence of maya, so it maybe regained or revived by the process of hearing the Holy Name of Krsna and then the devotee engages himself in the service of the Lord which is his original or constitutional position. The relationship of the living entity with Krsna is eternal as both Krsna and the living entity are eternal; the process is one of revival only, nothing new'' (Letter to Jagadisa 02/27/1970)

Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krsna give us free will if He knew we could fall down in the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will. But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life". (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France).

The Jīva-souls are a part and parcel of Krsna and cannot be separated from the Supreme, even though they have their own independence. 

Relationships with Krsna-

Pradyumna - "Do the five direct rasas take place between jīva-souls also when they are..."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Everything for jīva-souls, all relationship. Kṛṣṇa is one, the Supreme, and all the jīva-souls are part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. Therefore the eternal relationship is there. Now they are exhibited in these twelve kinds of humor, either directly or indirectly. 

Jīva-soul, a part and parcel, cannot be separated from the Supreme. Sun and the light, electric bulb, and the diffusion of light, they cannot be separated. But this portion is covered. It appears darkness. 

So when it is covered, that is called māyā, and he thinks that "I have no relationship with God," or "I am God," "There is no God." This is māyā. He is covered. He cannot see. 

So he has to be treated by this Kṛṣṇa consciousness treatment, and the māyā will be separated, and he will see, "Ah, yes, I am part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa." Then he comes to the direct relationship". (May 10, 1969, Columbus, Ohio)

It is important to understand that no jiva-souls originate from the dormant inactive Brahmajyoti or Brahman. 

The jiva-souls often fall to impersonal Brahman or Brahmajyoti, but NEVER did the jiva-souls originate from that impersonal Brahmajyoti as Srila Prabhupada explains.

Srila Prabhupada - ''The next question, about the living entities falling down in this material world are not from the impersonal brahman. Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence they are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness. So long as one can maintain pure Krsna consciousness, he does not fallen down. As soon as he becomes out of Krsna consciousness, immediately he is fallen down’’. (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)















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  1. Srila Prabhupada – "All spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha and in the material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities. There is no “ NEW” soul. “New'’ and “old'’ are due to this material body, the soul is NEVER born and NEVER dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?'' (Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970)

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