Monday, June 28, 2021

Krsna is complete in Himself and can NEVER be alone because He is ALWAYS enjoying with His unlimited expansions.

How Krsna is fully complete within Himself is understood in this way -

Krsna is NEVER alone as one, and has never been alone as one because EVERYTHING is situated in Him as one and simultaneously different from Him.

This means Krsna is "simultaneously" one individual Personality, and at the same time "many Personalities".

He is simultaneously one and different, this means He can NEVER be alone because He is already EVERYTHING and EVERYTHING is always part and parcel of Him.

This is the fullness of Lord Krsna.

This is why Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes. 

Krsna is fully satisfied in Himself, that includes through all of His Visnu-tattva and jiva-tattva expansions that are His parts and parcels.

It is not that Krsna is just in our hearts, Krsna is in all things and origin of everything.

In other words, Krsna is NEVER alone just like the Sun-disc can never be alone due to the presence of the surrounding sun-rays that are part and parcel of the Sun-disc.

Krsna is compared to the Sun-disc and the different types of living entities are compared to the sun-rays.

The Sun-disc and the sun-rays cannot exist without each other just like Krsna and the living entities cannot exist without each other meaning Krsna is always surrounded by His parts and parcels.

Krsna IS the Supreme Lord and is simultaneously one with all that there is, but also independent from His expansions, yet Kṛṣṇa is NEVER be alone!

Krsna's eternal consort Srimati Rādhārāṇī is the manifestation of the pleasure potency of Krsna and represents His internal potency.

Guest - "Srila Prabhupāda, are we expansions of Rādhā?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No. Rādhā is the internal potency, we are marginal potency. Of course, originally, in that sense, everything is Kṛṣṇa's expansion. Sarvaṁ khalv idaṁ brahma. But even there are expansions... That is the difference between Māyāvāda philosophy and Vaiṣṇava philosophy.

Caitanya Mahāprabhu teaches acintya bhedābheda. We are always simultaneously one and different. Always. We should remember. We are expansion of Kṛṣṇa, we are expansion of Rādhā also because Rādhā is also expansion of Kṛṣṇa. But still, different. That is our philosophy - 

"One and different simultaneously - Acintya bhedābheda".

Caitanya Mahāprabhu's philosophy is "inconceivable simultaneously one and different". This is explained in the Seventh Chapter of Bhagavad-gītā. The energies and the energetic is the same. Śakti-śaktimator abheda.

Just like sun and the sunshine, they are the same. There is no difference. But the molecules of the sunshine particles, that is not equal to the sun. 

These truths we shall always remember. Acintyāḥ khalu ye bhāvāḥ. Therefore these are inconceivable. We are simultaneously one with Kṛṣṇa and Rādhā, and at the same time different". (Lecture on BG 4.5 -- Montreal, June 10, 1968)

Srila Prabhupada - "Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa are "one and the same", but They have assumed two bodies. Thus They enjoy each other, tasting the mellows of love. The two transcendentalists Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa are a puzzle to materialists. 

The description of Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa from the diary of Śrīla Svarūpa Dāmodara Gosvāmī is a condensed explanation, but one needs great spiritual insight to understand the mystery of these two personalities.

One is enjoying in two.

Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the potent factor, and Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī is the internal potency. According to Vedānta philosophy, there is no difference between the potent and the potency; they are identical. We cannot differentiate between one and the other, any more than we can separate fire from heat.

Everything in the Absolute is inconceivable in relative existence. Therefore in relative cognizance it is very difficult to assimilate this truth of the oneness between the potent and the potency.

The philosophy of inconceivable oneness and difference propounded by Lord Caitanya is the only source of understanding for such intricacies of transcendence.

In fact, Rādhārāṇī is the internal potency of Śrī Kṛṣṇa, and She eternally intensifies the pleasure of Śrī Kṛṣṇa. Impersonalists cannot understand this without the help of a mahā-bhāgavata devotee.

The very name “Rādhā” suggests that Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī is eternally the topmost mistress of the comforts of Śrī Kṛṣṇa. As such, She is the medium transmitting the living entities’ service to Śrī Kṛṣṇa.

Devotees in Vṛndāvana therefore seek the mercy of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī in order to be recognized as loving servitors of Śrī Kṛṣṇa". (Caitanya Caritamrita Adi 4.56, Translation and Purport)

Srila Prabhupada - "When Krsna wants to be attracted by a woman, He has to create such a woman from His own energy. That woman is Rādhārāṇī". (Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 3 Chapter 31 text 38 Purport)

Krsna divided Himself into "two" so He could experience loving exchanges. 

For even Krsna, love can NEVER exist when there is just "one", there MUST be His expansions like Srimati Radharani and His Visnu-tattva and jiva-tattva expansions.

To experience loving exchanges and emotions with a women, Krsna divided Himself into two, Srimati Radharani and Krsna.

Krsna wanted to experience loving emotions and affection with a women, this is why He divided Himself into "two" - Radha and Krsna, just so He could experience those loving exchanges.

Madhudviṣa Swami - "Śrīla Prabhupāda, you spoke of inferior energy and superior energy. Those are two general categories. Are there other categories of energies besides that, and specifically how could we understand Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī Is She?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "She is spiritual energy".

Madhudviṣa Swami - "But is She jīva-bhūta or?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No, no, no. She is Kṛṣṇa. If everything is Kṛṣṇa and Rādhārāṇī is not Kṛṣṇa, what is that? Kṛṣṇa. He (She) is Kṛṣṇa. She is the Kṛṣṇa's pleasure potency".

Madhudviṣa Swami - "She is not jīva?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No, no, no. She is Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa divided Himself into His energy and Himself. That energy, original spiritual energy, is Rādhārāṇī. That is stated by Jīva Gosvāmī. Rādhā kṛṣṇa-praṇaya-vikṛtir hlādinī śaktir asmāt. When Kṛṣṇa wants pleasure, He cannot accept the inferior energy. 

The same superior energy, Kṛṣṇa, is divided into two. That is Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa. And again, when they unite, that is Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Divided, they are Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, and united, Caitanya Mahāprabhu. 

Śrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya rādhā-kṛṣṇa nahe anya. Anya means another. 

So Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya is combination of Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa. And when they are divided into two, that is Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa. This is the purport. Rādhā kṛṣṇa-praṇaya-vikṛtir hlādinī śaktir asmād ekātmānāv api bhuvi purā deha-bhedaṁ gatau tau, śrī-caitanyākhyaṁ prakaṭam adhunā tad-dvayaṁ caikyam āptam [Cc. Ādi 1.5]. 

These are the conclusion. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu is Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa combination. But He is playing the part of Rādhārāṇī to understand Kṛṣṇa. This is Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Rādhārāṇī is the chief gopī and all Her young girl friends, they are also gopīs. (Lecture on SB 2.1.1-5 -- Melbourne, June 26, 1974)

"Rādhikā is the transformation of Kṛṣṇa’s love. She is His internal energy called hlādinī". (Caitanya Caritamrita Adi 4.59, Translation)

Srila Prabhupada - "Radharani's mind, senses and body are steeped in love for Kṛṣṇa. She is Kṛṣṇa’s own energy, and She helps Him in His pastimes. 

Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī is as fully spiritual as Kṛṣṇa. No one should consider Her to be material. 

She is definitely not like the conditioned souls, who have material bodies, gross and subtle, covered by material senses. 

She is all-spiritual, and both Her body and Her mind are of the same spiritual embodiment. 

Because Her body is spiritual, Her senses are also spiritual. Thus Her body, mind and senses fully shine in love of Kṛṣṇa. 

She is the personified hlādinī-śakti (the pleasure-giving energy of the Lord’s internal potency), and therefore She is the only source of enjoyment for Śrī Kṛṣṇa.

Śrī Kṛṣṇa cannot enjoy anything that is internally different from Him. 

Therefore Rādhā and Śrī Kṛṣṇa are identical. The sandhinī portion of Śrī Kṛṣṇa’s internal potency has manifested the all-attractive form of Śrī Kṛṣṇa, and the same internal potency, in the hlādinī feature, has presented Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī, who is the attraction for the all-attractive. 

No one can match Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī in the transcendental pastimes of Śrī Kṛṣṇa". (Caitanya Caritamrta Adi 4.71, Translation and Purport)

"Just as the fountainhead, Lord Kṛṣṇa, is the cause of all incarnations, so Śrī Rādhā is the cause of all these consorts". (Caitanya Caritamrita Adi 4.76, Translation)

"Rādhā is the one who gives pleasure to Govinda, and She is also the enchantress of Govinda. She is the be-all and end-all of Govinda, and the crest jewel of all His consorts". (Caitanya Caritamrita Adi 4.82, Translation)

"The transcendental goddess Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī is the direct counterpart of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa. 

She is the central figure for all the goddesses of fortune. She possesses all the attractiveness to attract the all-attractive Personality of Godhead. She is the primeval internal potency of the Lord". (Caitanya Caritamrta Adi 4.83, Translation)

Srila Prabhupada - "When Krsna wants to be attracted by a woman, He has to create such a woman from His own energy. That woman is Rādhārāṇī. 

It is explained by the Gosvāmīs that Rādhārāṇī is the manifestation of the pleasure potency of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. 

When the Supreme Lord wants to derive transcendental pleasure, He has to create a woman from His internal potency and that women is Srimati Radharani" (Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 3 Chapter 31 text 38, Purport)+^+













Sunday, June 27, 2021

There are five different relationships the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) can have with Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you are simply taking from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is NOT love that is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything in return, that is simply exploitation. (Lecture on Bhagavad Gita Chapter 9 text 2-5, New York, November 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love can not be one or love cannot be executed only by one. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love''. (Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 1 Chapohter 2 text 6, Delhi, November 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - ''Their (impersonalist) philosophy is oneness. So how can there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There MUST be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 2 Chapter 1, text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

There are personal intimate relationships the jiva souls (marginal living entities) have with Krsna.

A devotee has a relationship with Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL five different ways-

1. One may be a devotee in a passive state;

2. One may be a devotee in an active state;

3. One may be a devotee as a friend;

4. One may be a devotee as a parent;

5. One may be a devotee as a conjugal lover.''

Srila Prabhupada explains these 5 relationships in detail in His Books like "Nectar of Devotion".

A "PASSIVE" relationship (number one in above list) with Krsna in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, is an almost "inactive" position the jiva-souls can CHOOSE according to their desires (free will) such as-

A cloud in the sky,

The Sky, 

A blade of grass, 

A tree,

A rock or stone,

A fence,

A chair or bench,

A flag pole and a flag,

A roadway, 

A Chariot, etc

EVERYTHING is alive in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, unlike the mundane dead material creation.

This means EVERYTHING from the shoes on your feet, to the clothes you wear, are all individual jiva-souls who can shape shift as that form because they have voluntarily chosen to play that particular role in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana.

This is called a "passive" relationship with Krsna.

The ORIGINAL eternal form of the jiva-soul is a bodily form like Krsnas Prabhupada has said, two arms, two legs, etc, like Krsna has in Vṛndāvana.

This means the 4 armed bodily form the jiva-souls have in the Vaikuntha Planets that looks like Vishnu/Narayana Form is NOT the original form because ALL marginal living entities (jiva-souls) originate from Goloka-Vrindavana, from their original two armed form. 

Devotee – “Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So, God is also like human form. Here you see, Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri – “How do we understand, then that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?”

Srila Prabhupada – “[describing material form first]: Yes. They are more covered. Just like if you cover your body with a blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri - “They are covered in the spiritual world?”

Srila Prabhupada - “Not in the spiritual world. There that is voluntary. Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; then they become flower there. If I want to be a flower, I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna; he becomes flower and voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable yet a fact."(Srimad Bhagavatam 6.1.1-4 - Melbourne, May 20, 1975)

Many jiva-souls choose to have a passive dormant, inactive, or idle relationship with Krsna; however, it is NEVER impersonal.

This means they do not react visibly to something that might be expected of them, like outwardly manifesting emotions or feelings like a blade of grass, or a tree that only moves in the wind but outwardly shows no affection or passion.

Even though inwardly, these jiva-souls would be ecstatically and blissfully be aware of Krsna’s personal presence and that Kṛṣṇa is fully aware of them as that inactive blade of grass and tree.

Many jiva-souls are, therefore, passive living objects also in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana that do not involve visible reaction or active participation

This is playing a passive or seemingly inactive role in Krsna's Kingdom.

However, one should NOT confuse a "passive relationship" in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana with an impersonal mundane "inactive position of the Mayavadis.

The fact is Krsna's abode is full of diversity where the jiva-souls can voluntarily express various kinds of loving service to Krsna, from "active" service of being a Cow herd boy, to "inactive" service like being a flag on top of a flag pole. 

These relationships with Krsna are also based on reciprocation and loving exchanges too, even if the jiva-souls manifest themselves as a cloud in the sky, a bench for Krsna to sit on, or a plate for Krsna to eat off.

Just like we enjoy relationships with our families and with society, so does Krsna have His personal family

However, all of His relationships are eternal in Goloka Vrindavana with their "Svarūpa Spiritual form, and completely free of material contamination.

Each of Krsna’s marginal living entities (jiva-souls) devotees interacts with Him by their "free will" in one of five primary relationships, as said above. 

All jiva-souls are EQUALLY intimate with Krsna because in the spiritual world, all relationships with Krsna are equally blissful, just like one may like a carnation flower while others like roses.

Advanced loving voluntary relationships with Krsna numbers from one to five the jiva-soul can choose from.

These five are-

1 - Neutrality, 

2 - Servitude, 

3 - Friendship, 

4 - Parental affection, 

5 - And conjugal love. 

The most intimate love of God reaches its summit in romantic exchanges with Krsna.

Each devotee eternally feels one of these main moods- 

Devotees in the mood of "neutrality" chooses to witness and support Krsna's pastimes by their presence as plants, animals, streams, and so on, as well as normally inanimate objects like houses—all of which are fully conscious and alive in Goloka Vrindavan.

Devotees in the "service mood" choose to run errands for Krsna, pack His lunch, wash His clothes, and perform other acts of loving service for Him.

Devotees in the "fraternal mood" choose to serve Krsna by being His friend. 

They are sometimes boastful, considering themselves equal to Krsna because they have no idea Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes, nor do they care. 

In Krsna's company, the cow herd boys and girls enjoy games in the beautiful country forest settings of Vṛndāvana.

Devotees who choose to be in the "parental mood" see themselves as Krsna’s provider and protector. 

Krsna behaves with them like a dependent child. His mother cuddles Him, carefully prepares His meals, and thinks only of His protection. His father sees that He has all the comforts of a normal home.

Devotees who choose to be in the "conjugal" (of whom many are also Visnu-tattva and NOT just jiva-souls) position, or romantic, mood offer service as Krsna’s girlfriends, relating with Him in the intimacy of lover and beloved.**.















Friday, June 25, 2021

Does free will exist in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana?

An answer based on Vedic knowledge.

Sadly many scholars deny that "free will" exists in the Spiritual Worlds.

But what are we without free will?

Others make the topic of free will a great mystery because they do NOT understand what "free will" really is or means, and how it is the eternal constitutional nature of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls)

And yes, a small minority of jiva-souls are not granted free will because they have chosen to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, and enter the mundane material creation.

In the material creation the jīva-souls are restricted by the kind of material bodily vessel they have entered, out of 8 million 400 thousand species of material life.

Free will is restricted to those jiva-souls who enter the mundane material creation.

In the material creation all species of life are FORCED to act under the modes of material nature which are eating, sleeping, mating and defending.

Therefore almost all jiva-souls in the material creation have no "free will" in the bodily conditioned state. 

There is only the instinct of eating,  sleeping, mating and defending. 

However, even in the rare human  form of material life there is a very little free will. 

The human form is also controlled by the karmic reactions to one's pious and impious actions that also enter the mix, therefore piety can help one start their search for spiritual knowledge but is not always the case.

Free will in its "full potential" IS only experienced in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana (The Kingdoms of God) where it ALWAYS exists to allow meaningful voluntary loving exchanges with Krsna.

If the jiva-souls had no "free will" in the Spiritual World, then they are no better than dead stone Prabhupada tells us.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no "free will", then you are a stone. The stone has no "free will". You want to be stone? Then you must have "free will!" But don't misuse your "free will". But don't try to become stone either. That is not life". (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada – “So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force.” (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will" means that you can act wrongly. That is "free will". Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of "free will". Where is "free will" then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no "free will". Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly".

Srila Prabhupada -"Yes", but that is "free will". He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will. (Excerpt from: Philosophy Discussions with Srila Prabhupada – Rene Descartes)

The individual jiva-souls are independent living entities in the Spiritual Worlds and have their own unique personality and sense of self that is separate from Krsna's Personality, yet are simultaneously dependent on Krsna as His parts and parcels.

The reason why Krsna gives the jiva-souls their independence and "free will" is so they can choose for themselves how to serve Him in their own unique personal way. 

This means the jiva-souls can always contribute their own unique offerings without any pressure or force from Krsna. 

"Real love" or service can ONLY exist when "free will" allows the jiva-souls to voluntarily participate in "loving devotional service" and contribute to the relationship with Krsna. 

Surrender to Krsna in the Spiritual World does not mean giving up your "free will" and allowing Krsna to control your every actions, deeds and thoughts.

No, the jiva-souls in the Spiritual World are NOT programmed mindless drones who only obey and never contribute to the relationship with Krsna in their own way by thinking for themselves.

Only by having free will can genuine loving exchanges and reciprocation take place, and without free will the jiva-soul is no better than dead stone Prabhupada has warned us.

Furthermore, Krsna NEVER interferes with the "free will" of the jiva-souls because if He did and never allowed them to have their "free will" to make their own choices in the Spiritual World, then that also would mean loving exchanges of voluntarily reciprocation with Krsna would NEVER exist. 

If one is forced to worship Krsna or Visnu then that is NOT love, it is tyranny, bullying and impersonalism.

That "impersonal" version of Krsna's abode of Goloka-Vrindavana or the Vaikuntha Planets, where it is DEMANDED with force you surrender your "free will" to Krsna, and let Him flow through you taking over your individual existence by doing all your thinking for you (that many nonsense sangas propagate), is dangerous IMPERSONAL nonsense, and I reject their bogus version of Vaishnavism and Krsna Consciousness.

Having "free will" allows the jiva-soul to be the individual independent PERSON they are eternally in God's perpetual Kingdom, where they can ALWAYS choose to voluntarily contribute the very  best of their own personal unique offerings to Krsna. 

This is the REAL Goloka Vrindavana and Vaikuntha Planets which is the permanent eternal home of the marginal living entities (jiva-souls).

Srila Prabhupada - "So if by "free will" you CHOOSE to surrender to Krsna then you’ll get your REAL "free will, freedom". Otherwise you are under the clutches of maya".(Morning Walk – 14 July 14, 1975, Philadelphia)

The jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana are forever voluntarily expanding the expression of their individuality with an increasing variety of personal devotional offerings based on free will, it is NEVER a one-sided master/slave none voluntary contributing mindless relationship with God as Prabhupada explains.

Srila Prabhupada – "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krishna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)


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Real love or Bhakti is reciprocal, it is NEVER a "one way street" where surrender to Krishna takes away one's sense of self, free will, individuality and one's personal contributions of voluntary offerings. 

Each individual jiva-soul has their own independent personality (yet dependent on Krishna), separate from Krishna's Personality, which means having their own sense of self, and a "unique identity" that THEY only individually have.  

These attributes are part and parcel of each individual marginal living entity (jiva soul) making each of them the unique "PERSON" they eternally are.

"Free will" in its full potential, is ONLY fully experienced in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan, which is the jiva souls original perpetual home.

Srila Prabhupada - “As soon as we try, “Oh, this material world is very nice,", Krsna says, “yes, you go and enjoy the material world", otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Krsna is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this." It is free will. Just like one goes to the prisonhouse, not that government welcomes, "Come on. We have got prisonhouse. Come here, come here." He goes out of his free will; again comes out, again goes. Like that." (Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course, May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Devotee – "In Srimad Bhagavatam, it says that Krishna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krishna did not want us to come, why are we here?” Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?”

Srila Prabhupada - “That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krishna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C).

The jiva souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana are forever voluntarily expanding their chosen service to Krishna with personal selfless offerings based on "free will" and loving exchanges with Krishna.

Such a relationship even with God (Krishna), is NEVER a one sided affair, it is always a "two way" respectful exchange of feelings with Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes.

Srila Prabhupada - "So Krishna does not want to become lover by force, by the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be "one" or love cannot be executed only one, there must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love''. (Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 1 Chapter 2 text 6, Delhi, November 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupāda – ''Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there". (August 9, 1976, Tehran)

Real love of God, Bhakti or service is ALWAYS based on reciprocal exchanges between two as said above. 

Loving relations are NEVER a one sided one way affair with Krishna where surrender means one has to give up their "free will", their independence and having a unique personality separate from Krishna's Personality that allows each jiva soul to make their own personal contributions and offerings THEY choose to make as a gift to Krishna.

This is important to understand because each jiva-soul has their own independent identity with individual characteristics and an unique personality that is separate from Krishna's Personality, that THEY only exclusively have.

These qualities are part and parcel of each individual marginal living entity (jiva soul) that makes them the unique "PERSON" they are eternally.

Srila Prabhupada - “Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. So God does not interfere with your independence. (Conversation Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974)

"Free will" is factored into the fabric of space-time's past, present and future for the jiva soul's journey through the temporary material creation.

Within the material creation, Maha Vishnu has ALREADY created every possible out come conceivable just so the visiting jiva souls from Vaikuntha, can experience their independent desires from Krishna.

This means all material bodily pathways exists within Maha Vishnu's dreams like stories found in books in a library.

Having "Free will" means the jiva souls can desire good or bad if they choose, and without having that choice to do right or wrong, there is no question of freedom.

Everything the jiva souls can desire already exists within the dreams of Maha Vishnu.

In this way, Maha Vishnu's dreams fulfil every desire conceivable that each visiting jiva soul has.

The jiva souls can desire what ever they want when they first choose to enter the material creation because what ever desires they seek to achieve, actually already exists in Maha-Vishnu's "Library of Dreams" that allow the jiva souls to experience their desires and maintain the right to ALWAYS execute their "free will". 

In other words, regardless of what desires the visiting jiva souls have, those desires are already within the dreams of Maha Vishnu activated by the the choices (desires) of the visiting souls.

No jiva souls originate from Maha Vishnu or the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

What actually happens is the jiva soul's desires automatically tune into the dreams of Maha Vishnu that match the jiva soul's desires to enjoy separately from Krishna.

In the material creation all facilities to fulfill the jiva soul's desires come from Maha Vishnu.

Once the jiva soul chooses to leave Vaikuntha and enter the material creation, the desires of the jiva souls are matched with the dreams of Maha Vishnu so the jiva souls can experience their desires

All the dreams of Maha Vishnu exist under the movement of material time which is past, present and future.

This means when jiva souls in Vaikuntha desire a separate existence from Krishna or Vishnu, then it is Maha Vishnu's dreams of the material creation that provide an alternative.  

All the facilities are given to the jiva souls after leaving Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana by Maha Vishnu with His material creation. 

This includes the material bodily vessels the jiva souls enter just so they can experience their desires separate from Krishna. 

The desires of the jiva souls are fulfilled by the dreams of Maha-Vishnu if they leave Vaikuntha. 

Maha Vishnu provides the visiting jiva souls to the material creation, everything they need while living separate from their REAL home in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana. 

As said above, all material bodily vessels and facilities are owned by and provided by Maha Vishnu.

All jiva souls move through the material fabric of space-time, attracting from Maha Vishnu's dreams, those dream realities that match the jiva soul's individual material desires created by their "free will".

Every desire the visiting jiva souls have already exists within the "Library of Dreams" of Maha Vishnu.

EVERYTHING that can exist in past, present and future is already existing within Maha Vishnu's dreams.

Past, present, and future all exist simultaneously in the material worlds (Brahmanda universes) from the viewpoint of Maha Vishnu. 

He is above the movement and flow of material time's past, present and future and can view the beginning, middle and end of the roadway of time simultaneously, from above like one sees a roadway in an Aircraft or Spacecraft.

All material bodily vessels the jiva souls have chosen to possess (enter), are obtained from Maha Vishnu's dreams, just like one gets a costume from a costume shop to play out a role in a play.

All facilities of material bodily costumes and their pathway from birth to death, are provided by Maha Vishnu because He is the creator and maintainer of all the material universes (Brahmandas).

The jiva souls are the passenger in such material vessels possessed for the purpose of fulfilling the jiva soul's desires.

All material bodily vessels and their facilities are owned by Maha Vishnu.

Material bodies or vessels the jiva souls are contained in while in the material creation, all originate from Maha Vishnu's dreams.

No jiva souls originate from Maha Vishnu or His material creation, Maha Vishnu creates ALL the material universes (Brahmandas) that provide ALL the material bodily vessels and facilities to the visiting jiva souls from Vaikuntha, so they can experience their chosen desires in the material creation.

Srila Prabhupada – “This material creation is the spirit soul’s dream. Actually all existence in the material world is a dream of Maha-Vishnu, as the Brahma-Samhita describes–

“This material world is created by the dreaming of Maha-Vishnu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation”. (Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 4 Chapter 29 text 83)

Srila Prabhupada - “Everything happening within time, which consists of past, present and future, is merely a dream. This is the secret in understanding in all the Vedic literature.” (Srimad Bhagavatam. Canto 4 Chapter 29 text 2b)

Srila Prabhupada - “Our contact with matter is just like dream. Actually we are not fallen. Therefore, because we are not fallen, at any moment we can revive our Krishna consciousness, we break the dream.” (Tokyo Japan 1972, Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 2 Chapter 9 text 1)

Srila Prabhupada - "Factually all of material existence is only a dream. Thus there is no question of past, present or future. Persons who are addicted to karma-kanda-vicara, which means ‘working for future happiness through fruitive activities’, are also dreaming. Similarly, past happiness and present happiness are merely dreams" (Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 4 Chapter 29 text 2b)

"Space-time" is the fabric in all material universes responsible for the movement of past, present and future that Maha Vishnu has arranged.

All Brahmanda universes originate from the pores and breathing of Maha-Vishnu.

Inside each Brahmanda universe is a secondary smaller universe where Garbhodakashayi Vishnu, Lord Brahma and many planetary systems are found.

Material time is a roadway divided into past, present and future and also seen as the movement of beginning, to middle and progressing to end. 

The beginning, middle and end of a roadway are seen simultaneously from above by Maha Vishnu and is permanently there even after one passes over such a roadway.

In other words all time that is past, present and future, exists just like each part of the roadway exists after passing over it. 

This means that within the fabric of space-time, the material body we are in IS like the roadway that starts from birth, childhood, youth, middle age, and ends at old age and death.

The fact is, the jiva souls are the passengers on that roadway meaning they are a passenger in a material bodily vessel. 

This means the jiva-soul is NOT made of matter which is the roadway or bodily vessel the jiva soul is in/on.

Past, present, and future all exist simultaneously in the material world to Maha Vishnu because He is God and knows and sees all.

Maha Vishnu dreams the entire material creation which means every possible outcome that the individual jiva souls can experience, already exists in the material dreams of Maha Vishnu in His "Library Of Dreams".

This means every possible outcome is already existing in the dreams of Maha Vishnu.

There are billions of Brahmanda universes, each with a smaller secondary universe deep inside them where Maha Vishnu expands as Garbhodakashayi Vishnu.

And from Garbhodakashayi Vishnu's navel Lord Brahma appears who then builds the different Planetary Systems.

This happens in all of the billions of Brahmanda universes that originate from the pores and breathing of Maha Vishnu.

There is only one Maha Vishnu in the material creation but there are billions of Garbhodakashayi Vishnus and Brahmas.

As already explained, from above, the movement of material time (past, present, and future) everything exists simultaneously in the material world to Maha Vishnu who naturally knows all things, past, present and future.^.^.












Wednesday, June 23, 2021

The reason why Krsna gave the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) "free will", is so they can ALWAYS choose for themselves how to voluntarily interact with Krsna with loving reciprocal exchanges (loving devotional service).

By forever increasing, expanding and enriching their individual unique contributions of selfless loving offerings to Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes. 

The individual jiva-souls are independent living entities in the Spiritual Sky's Vaikuntha planets, Goloka-Vrindavana, and also in the temporary material creation, yet are simultaneously fully dependent on Krsna or Visnu.

The most important quality of Krsna's marginal potency is self expression or "free will" because loving exchanges can only exist within a "two-way" relationship.

All jiva-souls (marginal living entities) have their own unique personality separate from Krsna's Personality, free will, and a unique sense of being a PERSON independent from Krsna's absolute control, yet simultaneously always dependent on His energies.

This is because EVERYTHING is part and parcel of Krsna who is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes.

Independent from Krsna's absolute control refers to a dictatorial controlling God who denies the individual jiva-souls from voluntarily expressing their own unique actions and thoughts.

Ultimately Krsna is the Supreme controller who knows everything but allows free will to allow separate unique identities, diversity, mystery and loving contributing exchanges.

If Krsna did not allow such independent thoughts and actions that the jiva-souls have, and instead was always in complete control, then genuine loving relationships in a two-way exchange would NEVER exist.

How can a jiva-soul with no free will or mind of its own voluntarily contribute to their relationship with Krsna that deepens, expands and enriches loving exchanges?

How can there be loving exchanges and reciprocation with Krsna if it is only a "one-sided" affair where Krsna commands everything from the jiva-soul like a puppet master controls his mindless puppets?

Without free will there is no possibility of love because love is only possible in a "two-way" open exchange of feelings from two totally separate personalities. 

Those two separate individuals are the individual jiva-souls and Krsna. 

And yes, Krsna allows this so He can experience voluntary loving relationships with the jiva-souls.

The reason why Krsna gave the jiva-souls their free will in the first place, as independent living entities, is so the jiva-souls can choose for themselves how to voluntarily contribute and serve Krsna in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana in their own unique way, WITHOUT being forced by being totally controlled by Krsna’s demands.

No, Krsna does NOT want mindless stone like servants like that, who have no mind of their own and cannot think for themselves in their own unique way, by making their own decisions on how THEY can choose to serve Krsna by contributing to the relationship the way they choose.

Without free will, genuine loving relations and feelings with Krsna can NEVER exist!

The jiva-souls in the spiritual world are NOT programmed mindless impersonal drones who only obey and are always told what to do, never to offer their own unique personal contributions, or allowed to think and decide for themselves of how to serve Krsna in their own singular way.

Only by having free will (the freedom to choose to make one's own unique contributions in one's relationship with Krsna) in the spiritual world, can genuine loving exchanges and reciprocation take place in a two-way exchange.

Without "free will" the jiva-soul is no better than dead stone Prabhupada has warned us.

Furthermore, Krsna NEVER interferes with the free will of the jiva-souls because if He did and never allowed them to have the "free will" to make their own choices in the spiritual world, then loving exchanges of voluntarily reciprocation with Krsna could also never exist.

If one is forced to worship Krsna or Visnu, then that is NOT love, it is tyranny, bullying and impersonalism.

That "impersonal mayavadi" nonsense version of God's abode, is where the jiva-souls are forced to surrender their "free will," individual sense of self and personality to Krsna or Visnu.

Such bogus so called devotees and their sangas, mislead aspiring Vaisnavas by saying - 

"You MUST fully "surrender your free will prabhu" by letting Krsna flow through you and taking over your individual existence, allowing Him to do all the thinking and actions for you."

Such dangerous IMPERSONAL so called surrender is spiritual suicide to REAL Vaisnavas and devotees attempting to achieve natural Krsna Consciousness.

This kind of nonsense "surrender" is attempting to "extinguish" the unique individual identity and independent personality of the jiva-souls and just be Krsna's mindless puppet in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.

Having "free will" allows the jiva-soul (marginal living entity) to be the individual independent PERSON they are eternally in Krsna's perpetual Kingdom, where they can ALWAYS think for themselves and choose how to voluntarily contribute the very best they have as their own personal unique offering to Krsna. 

This is the REAL Goloka Vrindavana and Vaikuntha planets that are the eternal kingdom of Krsna (God).

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will. But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada  - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva -  "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Excerpt from: Philosophy Discussions with Srila Prabhupada – Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is NOT love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture on BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "Their (impersonalist) philosophy is oneness. So how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There MUST be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant..." (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada - "So if by free will you choose to surrender to Krsna then you’ll get your REAL free will, (freedom). Otherwise you are under the clutches of maya." (Morning Walk – 14 July 14, 1975, Philadelphia)

Srila Prabhupada - "Unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will and having the choice of doing right or wrong, then there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada - "As soon as we try, “Oh, this material world is very nice,", Krsna says, “yes, you go and enjoy the material world", otherwise what is the meaning of "free will?" Every living entity has got a little "free will". And Krsna is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this. It is free will. Just like one goes to the prisonhouse, not that government welcomes, "Come on. We have got prisonhouse. Come here, come here." He goes out of his free will; again comes out, again goes. Like that." (Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course, May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Only impersonalist pray for "oneness," to be an inactive in Krsna's effulgence by merging dormantly and become a spark in the Brahmajyoti effulgence.

To a Vaisnava (devotee of Krsna) such an attempt to extinguish your individuality, personality and identity as a PERSON is spiritual suicide.

However, devotees can pray to be a flower, a tree, a blade of grass, a chair, a flag pole, a chariot etc in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana but this seemingly inactive position is very actively ecstatically involved in Krsna's PERSONAL service centred around Him, and is never IMPERSONAL and selfish centred around one's self alone.

Srila Prabhupada - "The jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is voluntary. Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower they can lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become flower, voluntarily. And he can change from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 - Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

There are five loving voluntary relationships the jiva-souls can have with Krsna.

These five are -

1 - Neutrality, 

2 - Servitude, 

3 - Friendship, 

4 - Parental affection, 

5 - And conjugal love.

A devotee has a relationship with Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes, in five different ways-

1. One may be a devotee in a passive (inactive) state;

2. One may be a devotee in an active state;

3. One may be a devotee as a friend;

4. One may be a devotee as a parent;

5. One may be a devotee as a conjugal lover.''

Srila Prabhupada - "A pure devotee of Kṛṣṇa is never under the modes of material nature. In other words, no material laws apply on a pure devotee because he is fully under the direction of Krsna. So a devotee can continue his present occupation or he may change it if he likes. Krsna does not force a devotee because the devotee acts spontaneously according to the desire of the Lord, in this kind of loving service there is no question of force." (Letter to Madhudvisa, Los Angeles Feb 14, 1970)

The jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana are forever voluntarily expanding the expression of their individuality with an increasing variety of personal devotional offerings based on free will, it is NEVER a one sided master/mindless slave relationship with Krsna as Prabhupada explains.

Srila Prabhupada – "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

frcrcSrila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - "The (impersonalist) philosophy is oneness. So how there can be love, one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience? Love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He's so lover of you that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant..." (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is NOT love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City , Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupāda - "Unless there are "two persons", where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange. When these things are transacted, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things MUST be there." (Evening Darsana, Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Love or service in the spiritual worlds are NEVER a "one-way" street, love can ONLY exist when "two" are exchanging loving service to each other.

Only then when there is loving reciprocation and exchanges of good feelings between Kṛṣṇa and His devotee, does love exist.

Only when "two" are voluntarily involved in reciprocating with each other can love exist.

In this way, real love or service is ALWAYS based on a "two-way" exchange of feelings.

h said above, that means offering individual contributions that will enhance, expand and perpetually uplift the relationship between Krsna and His marginal living entities (jiva-souls).

This can ONLY exist if the jiva-souls are allowed to express their own independent individuality and unique free will without interference (forced surrender) from Krsna.

If Krsna did force His will on the jiva-souls then there can never be genuine loving exchanges because denying free will is also denying the jiva-souls to voluntary contribute their own choices of service.**


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However, force IS applied only when the jiva-souls allows themselves to be put under the modes of material nature, which includes being responsible for one choices (Karma)

Just as the citizens of a state have freedom to follow the laws of the state, that is subordinate freedom, and the freedom of the living entities is also subordinate to Krsna.

The clue is given there in the Bhagavad-gita that the living entities are fragmental parts and parcels of the Supreme Lord, this means that all the qualities of Krsna are therefore present in minute quantity in each of His parts and parcels.

That is simultaneously one and different philosophy—the living entities thus have "free will" because they are parts of Krsna and Krsna has "free will", but the free will of Krsna is Supreme while the freedom of the parts and parcels is minute.

So if the living entity out of love subordinates his free will to Krsna that is his liberation. He is no longer forced to act helplessly (under the dictates of material nature or Maya), but he acts freely rendering loving devotional service of his choice to Krsna in every way.

Then we have the practical conclusion from Krsna confirmed by Him in Bhagavad-gita (18:66),

"Just surrender unto Me; and in return I shall protect you from all sinful reactions. Therefore you have nothing to fear."

In this way astral or subtle influences are also material and therefore they do not affect the devotee who has taken protection of Krsna's internal energy, by choosing to surrender one's life and soul in the reciproca service of the Lord. 

Srila Prabhupada explains these five relationships in detail in "Nectar of Devotion".

To pray for "inactivity devoid of Krsna consciousness" is impersonalism or selfishness and spiritual suicide to a Vaisnava.

The jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana are forever voluntarily expanding the expression of their individuality with an increasing variety of personal devotional offerings based on free will, it is NEVER a one sided master/mindless slave relationship with Krsna as Prabhupada explains.

Srila Prabhupada – "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Real love or Bhakti is reciprocal, it is NEVER a "one way street" where surrender to Krsna takes away one's sense of self, free will, individuality and one's personal contributions of voluntary offerings.

Each individual jiva-soul has their own independent personality (yet dependent on Krsna), separate from Krsna's Personality, which means having their own sense of self, and a "unique identity" that THEY only individually have.  

These attributes are part and parcel of each individual marginal living entity (jiva-soul) making each of them the unique "PERSON" they eternally are.

"Free will" in its full potential, is ONLY fully experienced in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan, which is the jiva-souls original perpetual home.

We see many condemn "free will" and destiny claiming many jiva-souls are NOT granted free will.  

But what does that really mean?

Yes, is true that "free will" IS restricted to many jiva-souls, but ONLY to those who enter the material creation.

There is NO restrictions in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.  

However, in the material creation of Maha Visnu nearly all species of life (8 million species of life) ARE forced to act under the modes of material nature, which are eating, sleeping, mating and defending.

For them, they act under the influence of material nature and NOT free will.

Yes, these lower species of life have no "free will" in their material bodily conditioned state in the lower species of life.

Only in the rare human species (400,000 different human species), is there a very little expression of free will. 

There are 8 million 400 thousand species of life in our material universe of whom 400 thousand are considered different grades of human species. 

The jiva-souls in the human form of life are also responsible for their actions, good and bad (Karma)

Therefore there is forced "punished and rewarded" based on their pious and impious actions.

Free will in its full potential IS always experienced in the Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, where it ALWAYS exists for the purpose of allowing the jiva-souls to be constructive in their service to Krsna, and make their own unique personal offerings without being forced, by being told what to do and how to act.

A constructive loving relationship with Krsna is based on voluntary loving exchanges with Krsna in a two-way relationship meant to add variety and enrich and expand the relationship.

This can never happen in a one-sided dictatorial domineering relationship.

Such impersonalism kills the personality and character of the individual jiva-soul.

One is only forced to act under the modes of material nature and NEVER forced to act in the Spiritual Worlds.

There one is moved by their own individual choices and NOT personally by Krsna.

A pure devotee of Kṛṣṇa means he or she is NEVER under the modes of material nature. 

In other words, no material laws apply to a pure devotee because they choose to be fully under the direction of Krsna.

So a devotee can continue their present occupation or he may change it if he likes, there is always choice in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana. 

Krsna does not force a devotee because the must choose for themselves to act spontaneously out of love for Kṛṣṇa according to the desire to please the Lord.

In this kind of loving service there is no question of being forced because service is ALWAYS voluntary.

However, force IS applied only when there is rejection of Krsna and the jiva-souls enter the mundane material creation.

Only there are the jiva-souls forced to comply with the demands of material nature.

In the Spiritual Worlds the jiva-soul are no longer forced to act helplessly under the dictates of material nature or Maya, but acts freely by rendering voluntary loving devotional service to Krsna.

We have the conclusion from Krsna confirmed by Him in Bhagavad-gita (18:66),

"Just surrender unto Me; and in return I shall protect you from all sinful reactions. Therefore you have nothing to fear."

The jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana are forever expanding the expression of individuality with personal devotional offerings based on free will, it is NEVER a one-sided mindless relationship with Krsna as Prabhupada explains.

Srila Prabhupada – "Love is voluntary, a good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Real surrender to Krsna is based on voluntary loving exchanges, it is NEVER a "one-way street" where surrender to Krsna takes away one's sense of self, individuality and personal contributions of voluntary service.

Each individual jiva-soul has their own independent personality (yet dependent on Krsna) but separate from Krsna's Personality. 

These attributes are part and parcel of each individual marginal living entity (jiva soul) making each of them the unique "PERSON" they eternally are.

As said above, if the jiva-souls have no "free will" in the Spiritual World, then they are no better than dead stone.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - ''The (impersonalist) philosophy is oneness. So how there can be love, one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience? Love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He's so lover of you that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant..." (Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 2 Chapter 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is NOT love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation. (Lecture on Bhagavad Gita Chapter 9 text 2-5, New York, November 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love''. (Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 1 Chapter 2 text 6, Delhi, November 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupāda - ''Unless there are "two persons", where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange. When these things are transacted, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things MUST be there''. (Evening Darsana, August 9, 1976, Tehran)

Having "free will" is the eternal constitutional make up of EVERY "marginal living entity", and is the foundation for ALL jiva-soul's relationship with Krsna.

Real love is ALWAYS based on voluntary relations between two as said above, love can NEVER exist in a "one-sided one-way" dominating impersonal dictatorship.

Serving God or Krsna is NEVER a one sided affair where surrender to Krsna means one loses their "free will" that allows each jiva-soul to choose their own personal contributions and offerings they can selflessly present to Krsna.

This is important to understand because each jiva-soul has their own independent unique identity with individual characteristics and personality that are separate from Krsna's Personality, THEY only exclusively have.

These qualities are part and parcel of each individual marginal living entity (jiva-soul) that makes them the unique "PERSON" they are eternally.

In the Spiritual World's of Goloka-Vrindavana and Vaikuntha, loving devotional service is never a "one-way or one-sided" affair, no, as said above REAL love or service is always reciprocal and voluntary in a "two-way" exchange in God's Kingdom.

Meaningful reciprocal association in the Kingdom of God only works in a loving way when there are "two-way" exchanges nurtured and encouraged by Krsna.

Living in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana is based on personal voluntary unique expressions of loving exchanges that are always encouraged in the relationship between jiva-souls and Krsna.

This means the Kingdom of God is NOT a one-sided dominating impersonal domain devoid of free will.

On the other hand in the mundane material creation, so many terrible things are constantly happening and taken for granted due to ignorance.

Like the unnatural painful cycle of birth, disease, old age and death the jiva-souls experience while covered by a material bodily vessel and foolishly take for granted.

Frustration in the constantly changing material creation, will always be experienced by those jiva-souls (marginal living entities) who choose to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana because the material creation is ALWAYS in a constantly progressive state of decay and decline.

Therefore one's material body always wears out, breaks down and decays (dies)

But the jiva-soul, covered by the material temporary body, is eternal and therefore never subjected to decay or decline, but IS forced to continuously change bodies because of the temporary nature of the material creation.

The suffering of the individual jiva-soul within this temporary material nature, does NOT happen because of Krsna, He is not responsible for the jiva-soul's choices.

No, Krsna is NOT responsible for the suffering of the individual jiva-souls who have chosen to enter the material creation.

Even though the massive Brahmanda material universes are His creation, built by His expansion Maha-Vishnu.

The suffering in the material creation happens because at one point in the Spiritual Worlds, the individual jiva-soul has "chosen" to misuse their "free will", given to them by Krsna for the purpose of allowing voluntary diversity meant to encourage individual offerings and loving exchanges. 

Therefore, as a result of mistakingly misusing their free will, the jiva-soul is forced by their own actions, to enter the temporary material creation and become entangled in the repeated cycle of birth and death.

The spherical material universal shells coming from Maha Visnu, are called Brahmandas.

Deep inside each Brahmanda is a secondary universe created by Garbhodakashayi Visnu, who is an expansion of Maha Visnu.

From Garbhodakashayi Visnu Brahma is born who builds the many planetary systems within the inner material universe inside the Brahmanda as painting below reveals.

Krsna will NEVER interfere with the individual jiva-soul's free will because if he did, the jiva-souls would have no independent sense of self, or abilities to accept and experience genuine loving exchanges and service.

Without having that independent sense of "unique self", which is having personal individual abilities that allows one to "choose" for themselves how to voluntary be involved in loving exchanges of service with Krsna, contributed in their own way based on loving reciprocation, then there can be no question of genuine love. 

These are the characteristics that make the jiva-soul (marginal living entity) the individual PERSON they are eternally.

Love or service in the Spiritual Worlds are NEVER a one-way street, love can ONLY exist when "two" are exchanging loving service to each other.

Only then when there is loving reciprocation and exchanges of good feelings between Kṛṣṇa and His devotee, does love exist.

Only when "two" are voluntarily involved in reciprocating with each other can love exist.

In this way, real love or service is ALWAYS based on a "two-way exchange of feelings".

h said above, that means offering individual contributions that will enhance, expand and perpetually uplift the relationship between Krsna and His marginal living entities (jiva-souls).

This can ONLY exist if the jiva-souls are allowed to express their own independent individuality and unique free will without interference (forced surrender) from Krsna.

If Krsna did force His will on the jiva-souls then there can never be genuine loving exchanges because denying free will is also denying the jiva-souls to voluntary contribute their own choices of service.

Srila Prabhupada - “Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. So God does not interfere with your independence. (Conversation Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974)**