There is NO such place as tatastha-sakti where souls are "literally" generated from or originate from because the marginal living entities (jiva souls) have no origin.
Tatastha-sakti is another name for the marginal living entity or jiva souls however, Prabhupada has also said in the Spiritual World the term tatastha-sakti is NOT used there to describe the jiva soul.
Tatastha-sakti (the marginal potency or living entities) is NOT a place, as explained above, the marginal potency (tatastha-sakti) ARE the individual jiva souls who are ALL AROUND US.
It is said the jiva souls are generated from tatastha-saki but that simple means they are in the category known as the marginal potency who ARE individual jiva souls that are part of a collective that is part and parcel of the marginal energy.
The jiva souls are NOT "literally" generated from some place in outer space, that idea is imagination and nonsense because the marginal living entities are everywhere, eternal and without origin.
The fact is the individual jiva souls are NOT generated from anywhere.
This is because the jiva-souls have ALWAYS existed as part and parcel of that marginal category of Krishna's energies who each have 78.125% of Krishna's qualities which means each individual jiva soul has 50 of Krishna's 64 attributes.
The English word "generated" can be misleading in this regards because that word can also mean a "beginning"
However, in the Srimad Bhagavatam the use of this word "generated" really means they are part and parcel of a category called the marginal energy or potency, a collection of unlimited individual souls who are ETERNAL.
This means they were NEVER created or generated from any origin because there is NO origin, they have ALWAYS existed without beginning or end.
So the proper understanding is, the marginal energy or potency, also known as tatastha sakti (jiva souls), are made up of unlimited perpetual jiva souls who are EVERYWHERE and all around us "sarva-gatah".
Tatastha-sakti is only used to describe the jiva soul in the material creation and impersonal Brahmajyoti they can fall too.
Srila Prabhupada - "So this material world is the taṭastha (conditioned) characteristics, and the spiritual world is the "personal" characteristics. So our effort is to get out of this taṭastha (conditioned) characteristics and to enter the permanent characteristics (Vaikuntha). That is called spiritual elevation". (Lecture on CC Madhya-lila 20.354-358 — New York, December 28, 1966)
Srila Prabhupada - "Because the individual soul is apt to fall down sometimes under the clutches of māyā, it is called Taṭastha-śakti. Just like in the seaside the shore, the beach, sometimes you see it is covered by water and sometimes it is land; similarly, when we are covered by māyā, that is our jīva-bhūta stage, and when there is no more covering, that is brahma-bhūta stage. When we are Kṛṣṇa conscious, then we are brahma-bhūta (SB 4.30.20), and when we are not Kṛṣṇa conscious, we are materially conscious, that is māyā".(Lecture on BG 7.4-5 -- Bombay, March 30, 1971)
"Tatastha sakti" is NOT a place in the Cosmos where souls originate from, such an idea is nonsense
The "marginal plane" is NOT a place where souls are "literally" generated from or originate from because they have no origin.
The "marginal plane" IS a collective of unlimited perpetual individual jiva souls that are all around us and have ALWAYS existed.
Therefore no jiva souls were ever created, or were "literally" generated from the marginal plane because the jiva souls ARE the marginal plane and have ALWAYS existed AS the marginal potency that are EVERYWHERE as Bhagavad-Gita teaches.
Tatastha sakti is another name for the "marginal living entity (jiva tattva soul) that also means the jiva soul can choose this side of being with Krishna, or that side of being in the material creation.
The marginal potency or individual jiva souls pervades both the Spiritual Worlds, material creation and the impersonal brahmajyoti AS unlimited INDIVIDUAL marginal living entities.
But ONLY in the material creation and impersonal Brahmajyoti or Brahman is the jiva soul called tatastha sakti as Prabhupada explains above.
The life force of Krishna is NOT all one, but rather made up of INDIVIDUAL jiva souls called the marginal living entities, potency or tatastha-sakti.
We are ALWAYS in the category of the marginal potency (individual living entities known also as the jiva-tattva) who eternally exist in both the Spiritual World and material creation.
Only the material energy is created, while the marginal living entities, jiva- tattva souls, and Vishnu-tattva expansions of Krishna were NEVER created, nor did they originate or were generated from anywhere.
The individual marginal living entities or taṭasthā-sakti (jiva souls) are always an energy of the Krishna eternally but can never be the energetic (Krishna and His Vishnu-tattva expansions).
All jiva souls enter first the material creation from Vaikuntha and NOT from the material creation or the impersonal Brahmajyoti.
Srila Prabhupada - “We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago.” - (Lecture on Bhagavad-gita on August 6, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada - ''These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha”. (Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970)
Srila Prabhupada - “As living spiritual souls we are all originally Krsna conscious entities, but due to our association with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness has now become polluted by the material atmosphere.” (Original Hare Krsna "Happening record album" New York December 1966)
Srila Prabhupada - ” So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krishna? Why not become Krishna?’ I immediately fall down.” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)
Srila Prabhupada - ''The actual constitutional position of every living entity is nitya-siddha, because God is eternal and His part and parcels, the living entities, they are also eternal. So that is nitya-siddha. Nitya-siddha, sädhana-siddha, krpa-siddha-there are different grades. They are all described in The Nectar of Devotion. So one can become sadhana-siddha. (Caitanya-caritamrta, July 13, 1976)
Srila Prabhupada - ''By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can also become siddha. He can become AGAIN nitya-siddha". (Lecture on Caitanya-caritamrta, July 13, 1976)
Srila Prabhupada - "So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha, to bring them back to their original position. It is a difficult task'' (New York lecture on Caitanya-caritamrta, July 13, 1976)
Srila Prabhupada - 'This material world is created by the dreaming of Mahā-Viṣṇu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation”. (SB 4.29.83 Purport)
Srila Prabhupada further explains-
Srila Prabhupada - ''The next question, about the living entities falling down in this material world are not from the impersonal brahman. Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness". (Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)
Srila Prabhupada - "Those who are in the brahman effulgence they are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness. So long as one can maintain pure Krsna consciousness, he does not fall down. As soon as he becomes out of Krsna consciousness, immediately he has fallen down’’. (Letter to Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)
Devotee – “When we are in the spiritual sky and serving Krishna, we have a perfect relationship with Krishna, what causes us to fall down in the material world, because we’re already serving Krishna?”
Srila Prabhupada – “Because you desire to fall down. Here it is explained that “Don’t fall down.”
Devotee – “Srila Prabhupada, I can’t understand why we should have an impure desire when we are already serving…”
Srila Prabhupada – “Because you have got little freedom. Why one is not coming here and going to the liquor shop? It is his desire.
Devotee – “In the Srimad-Bhagavatam it says that Krishna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krishna did not want us to come, why are we here?”
Srila Prabhupada – “Yes. You forced Krishna to allow you to come. Just like sometimes a child forces his father. Father says, “My dear son, do not do this. Do not go there.” But he insists, “Oh, I must go. I must go.” “All right, you go at your risk and suffer. What can be done? So because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father, so God does not interfere with your independence. If you persist that “I must go and enjoy independently,” so God says, “All right, you can go.” This is the position. You have to take sanction. That is a fact. But when you persist, God sanctions. And you come and enjoy”. (Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974)
Acyutananda - ''So what made the soul take birth in the material world in the first place?''
Srila Prabhupada - ''In the first place?''
Acyutananda - ''What is the first birth in the material creation? What is the cause of that first birth?''.
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, that is stated in the Prema-vivarta-
krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare
nikata-stha maya tare japatiya dhare
We are eternal servant of Krsna. As soon as we want to become master, that is the beginning of our first birth in the material world.
We have got independence. Krsna says, mamaivamso jiva bhutah—we are part and parcel of Krsna—so Krsna has got full independence, but we are minute; therefore we have got minute independence.
Our business is to serve Krsna, but as soon as we give up this idea and want to become master, then that is the beginning of our material birth." (Lecture on SB Canto 5 Ch 5 text 2-Hyderabad, April 11, 1975)
Acyutananda – "But in the Gita, it says, "Once coming to the Spiritual World, he never returns to the material creation. He can return?"
Srila Prabhupada – "If he likes he can return."
Guru-kripa – "How is it that one can become envious of Krsna?"
Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence, you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God. God has got full independence, but you have got independence too, proportionately, because you are part and parcel, so if he likes, he can return. That independence has to be accepted. We can misuse that. Krsna-bahirmukha haïä bhoga väïchä kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown." (Conversation, Mayapur, February 19, 1976)
Srila Prabhupada - "So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna?’ I immediately fall down. That is natural. A servant is serving the master, but sometimes he may think that, “If I could become the master.” They are thinking like that; they are trying to become God. That is delusion. You cannot become God. That is not possible. But he’s wrongly thinking."
Vipina Purandara - "Why doesn’t Krishna protect us from that desire?"
Srila Prabhupada - "He is protecting you. He says, "3You rascal, don’t desire. Surrender unto Me.” But you are rascal; you do not do this”.
Vipina Purandara - "Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?"
Srila Prabhupada - "That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me." Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good a exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)
Paramahamsa - "But ultimately if we come to Krsna, there’s no return?
Srila Prabhupada - "There IS return, that is voluntary, return there."
Paramahamsa - "If we want."
Srila Prabhupada - Yes."
Paramahamsa - "So we can come to the spiritual world and return?"
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes."
Paramahamsa - "Fall down?"
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, as soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice, Krsna says, yes, you go and enjoy the material world, otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Krsna is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy separately." It is free will. Just like one goes to the prisonhouse, not that government welcomes, "Come on. We have got prisonhouse. Come here, come here." He goes out of his free will; again comes out, again goes. Like that."
Paramahamsa - "So our desire to enjoy, we achieve these material bodies; and our desire to achieve Krsna brings us to our natural position."
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes." (Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course, May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)
Therefore the jiva soul is always responsible for their choices and actions, however, in the material creation in the human form, free will almost does not exist because one is covered by material energy and binded by their own reactions to their pious and impious deeds (karma) but ONLY while in the human form of life.
There is no karmic reaction in the lower species of life because they act only on instinct - eating, sleeping, mating and defending.
There is no karmic reactions in the hellish and heavenly planets either, one simply burns off their good and bad karma accumulated on Earth in the middle planetary system.
Srila Prabhupada – ''Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence''. (Letter to Jagadisa Prabhu, 4/25/1970.)
Srila Prabhupada – Regarding your several questions, where are all the spirit souls coming from? These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities. There is no “ NEW” soul. “New'’ and “old'’ are due to this material body, but the soul is NEVER born and NEVER dies, so if there is no birth, so how there can be new soul?''. (Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970)
Srila Prabhupada - “Regarding your questions concerning the spirit souls falling into Maya’s influence, it is not that those who have developed a passive relationship with Krsna are more likely to fall into nescient activities. Usually anyone who has developed his relationship with Krsna does not fall down in any circumstance, but because the independence is always there, the soul may fall down from any position or any relationship by misusing his independence. (Letter to Jagadisa 02/27/1970)
Srila Prabhupada - “The relationship with Krishna is never lost, it is simply forgotten by the influence of maya, so it maybe regained or revived by the process of hearing the Holy Name of Krsna and then the devotee engages himself in the service of the Lord which is his original or constitutional position. The relationship of the living entity with Krsna is eternal as both Krsna and the living entity are eternal; the process is one of revival only, nothing new'' (Letter to Jagadisa 02/27/1970)
Returning home back to Godhead is not necessarily permanent Prabhupada also explains, because that choice to stay or go is always with the jiva souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.
Therefore it is NOT just a "one way" decision that only Krishna makes for the jiva souls and is final, no, real exchanges of self expressions can NEVER exist without allowing the "free will" or choices involving the jiva souls in a "TWO way" exchange.
Krishna does NOT run a totalitarian dictatorial regime in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana.
This means the jiva soul's ALWAYS have the choice to accept or reject Krishna if they choose, and can leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana at anytime.
Devotee – "In Srimad Bhagavatam, it says that Krishna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krishna did not want us to come, why are we here?” Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?”
Srila Prabhupada - “That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krishna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C).
The jiva souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana are forever expanding their expression of individuality with personal voluntary offerings based on "free will" and selfless loving reciprocal exchanges with Krishna, it is NEVER a one sided master/slave relationship with the Krishna (God)
Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krishna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)
Real love or Bhakti is ALWAYS reciprocal, as said above, it is NEVER a one sided affair where surrender to Krishna takes away one's sense of self, individuality and personal contributions and choices.
This is important to understand because each individual jiva-soul has their own independent personality, sense of self and unique personality and characteristics separate from Krishna's Personality that THEY only each uniquely have, that is part and parcel of each individual marginal living entities make up as the independent unique "person" they are eternally.
Srila Prabhupada - “Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. "So God does not interfere with your independence”. (Conversation Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974)
Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krishna give us free will if He knew we would miss use it?"
Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life". (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)
"Free will" or freedom is something never acquired, nor ever given up or surrendered in the Spiritual World as ignorant fools believe.
Free will is eternally part and parcel of the jiva souls (marginal living entities) natural constitution and therefore ALWAYS exists without beginning or end in the Spiritual Planets.
However, free will in its full potential, is ONLY fully experienced in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan, which is the jiva souls original perpetual home.
The jiva-tattva souls (marginal living entities) NEVER emerged or originated from a nonsense clear sheet of consciousness known as the dormant Brahmajyoti, Brahman or tatastha-sakti as impersonalist and Mayavadi Gurus, sannyasis and some Vaishnavas foolishly believe.
There is NO such place as tatastha-sakti were souls are literally generated or originate from because they already ARE tatastha-sakti.
Tatastha-sakti (the marginal potency or living entities) is NOT a place, the marginal potency (tatastha-sakti) is ALL AROUND US and made up of unlimited individual living entities.
As explained, the marginal living entities or jiva souls are known as tatastha-sakti or the marginal potency, which ARE unlimited individual jiva souls that exist EVERYWHERE.
To repeat again, the marginal potency (tatastha-sakti) is NOT a place, it is a category of Krishna's energy that is all-pervading but made up of unlimited INDIVIDUAL jiva souls called the marginal living entities.
It is said the jiva souls are generated from tatastha-sakti but that simple means they are individual parts and parcels of the marginal energy and potency and NOT that they are literally generated from some place.
In fact the jiva souls are NOT generated from anywhere because they have ALWAYS existed AS the marginal potency called tatastha-sakti.
The the use of the word "generated" means the jiva souls are part and parcel of the marginal potency (unlimited individual souls) whom are ETERNAL and were NEVER created and are EVERYWHERE - Sarva gatah.
So the proper understanding is, the marginal energy or potency, also known as tatastha sakti, are made up of unlimited perpetual jiva souls who we a member of.
The marginal potency of individual jiva souls (tatastha-sakti) pervades both the Spiritual Worlds and material creation with unlimited individual marginal living entities (jiva souls).
Therefore we are ALWAYS the marginal potency or living entities that eternally exist in both the Spiritual Worlds or the material creation and can never become Vishnu-tattva or Shiva-tattva
The jiva souls were NEVER created by Krishna because the marginal living entity (jiva souls) are part and parcel of Krishna and like Krishna, are ETERNAL without beginning or end, ONLY the material worlds are created.
Srila Prabhupāda - "The soul is part and parcel of God. As God is not created---He is creator, above creation---so the father creates a child; therefore father is above creation. So God is above creation. God created the cosmic manifestation. Before creation of this cosmic world, God was there. Therefore He is not created; He is creator of all created things. And the soul, being part and parcel of God, he is also not created". (Room Conversation with Dr. John Mize, June 23, 1975 Los Angeles)
All jiva souls come to the material creation directly from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan and are beginningless and endless as explained above.
So the jiva soul has no origin.
The fact is, on the Spiritual platform, there is no creation of the individual jiva-souls, they were NEVER created by Krishna, although just like the Sun disc maintains the Sun-rays Krishna maintains all living entities.
The jiva souls have always been as Chapter 2 Text 20 Bhagavad Gita tells us.
"For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain". (BG Chapter 2 Text 20)
The individual jiva-souls are unique independent parts and parcel of Krishna just like the sunrays and the Sun, and are just as old as Krishna which means beginningless and endless.
So it is clear the jiva souls are eternal without beginning or end.
Srila Prabhupada – "All spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha and in the material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities. There is no “ NEW” soul. “New'’ and “old'’ are due to this material body, the soul is NEVER born and NEVER dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?'' (Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970)
Srila Prabhupada – ''Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence''. (Letter to Jagadisa Prabhu, 4/25/1970.)
Srila Prabhupada - “Regarding your questions concerning the spirit souls falling into Maya’s influence, it is not that those who have developed a passive relationship with Krsna are more likely to fall into nescient activities. Usually anyone who has developed his relationship with Krsna does not fall down in any circumstance, but because the independence is always there, the soul may fall down from any position or any relationship by misusing his independence. (Letter to Jagadisa 02/27/1970)
Only the material worlds (matter) is created and NOT the spiritual living beings.
The jiva-souls NEVER emerged from a nonsense "clear sheet of dormant consciousness" thst bogus Sangas call tatastha-sakti, that is NOT the real meaning of tatastha-sakti as explained above.
The marginal living entities (jīva-souls) are a part and parcel of Krishna and are not separated from the Supreme, yet are simultaneously separated as independent living beings with their own sense of individuality and personality separate from Krishna's Personality.
Srila Prabhupāda – ''Unless there are two persons in a relationship, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there". (August 9, 1976, Tehran)
Srila Prabhupada – “So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force.” (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)
Srila Prabhupada - “Unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom.” (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)
Syamasundara - "Can we predict that returning back home, back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however some do come back?''
Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time and leave when ever you choose".
Syamasundara - "So some come back to the material creation?"
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes. Otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."
Devotee - "Then the jiva soul is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"
Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence and fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is NOT to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? But naturally if one becomes free from the prison house, he should not return there again". (Discussions with Syamasundara > Henri Bergson)
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