The best Srila Prabhupada quotes explaining the jiva-soul's perpetual constitutional position as an eternal servant of Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "Those who are in the Brahman effulgence or impersonal Brahmajyoti have fallen to that condition, so there is no question of falling down from an already fallen condition". (L.A. 13 June, 1970)

When the original fall down takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition which means Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.

They may then seek out the "inactivity" of the impersonal Brahmajyoti in an attempt to extinguish their identity to escape the suffering of repeated birth and death due to trying to enjoy the temporary decaying material creation they mistakenly believe is their home.

The fact is NEVER did the jiva-souls originate from the impersonal Brahmajyoti, or from some nonsense clear sheet of inactive consciousness.

The correct understanding of tatastha-sakti.

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are known in both the material creation and the impersonal Brahmajyoti as tatastha-sakti but NOT in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana Prabhupada explains here.

Srila Prabhupada - "So this material world is the taṭastha (conditioned) characteristics, and the Spiritual Worlds are the "Personal" (Vaikuntha) characteristics" (New York, December 28, 1966)

In other words, tatastha-sakti is the "conditioned fallen designation" of the marginal living entity that describes those jiva-souls who have fallen into the material creation and impersonal Brahmajyoti, but NOT those jiva-souls (marginal living entities) in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.

This is important to try and understand as the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) have many different names that describe their position and condition, and tatastha-sakti is one of those names describing the jiva-souls in their conditioned state OUTSIDE of Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.

There is NO such place as tatastha-sakti where souls are literally generated from or originate from.

The fact is the marginal potency (tatastha-sakti) are jiva-souls who are ALL AROUND US (Sarva-gatah) and who have no beginning or origin as Bhagavad Gita As it Is confirms.

It is said the jiva-souls are generated from tatastha-saki but that simple means they are in the category known as the marginal potency who ARE individual jiva-souls who are part of a collective who are part and parcel of the marginal energy or potency of Kṛṣṇa while conditioned in the material creation or the Brahman effulgence. 

The jiva-souls are NOT literally generated from some place in outer space or the impersonal Brahmajyoti,that idea is imagination because the marginal living entities are eternal without origin.

The fact is the individual jiva-souls are NOT generated from anywhere because they have ALWAYS existed as part and parcel of that marginal category of Krsna's energies.

The English word "generated" can be misleading in this regards because it can also mean a "beginning".

However, in the Vedas the use of this word "generated" really means the jiva-souls are part and parcel of a category of living entities called the marginal energy or potency. 

This means the marginal living entities are collection of unlimited individual jiva-souls who are ETERNAL. 

This means the marginal energy (jiva-souls) were NEVER created or generated from any origin because there is NO origin.

Srila Prabhupada - "Those who are in the Brahman effulgence or impersonal Brahmajyoti have fallen to that condition, so there is no question of falling down from an already fallen condition". (L.A. 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "When fall down takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition, which means Vaikuntha" (13 June, 1970)

The fallen jīva-souls who have chosen to enter the temporary material creation, eventually become frustrated with the temporary decaying nature of material life with its forced painful cycle of repeated birth and death. 

Therefore eventually the conditioned trapped jiva-souls may attempt to extinguish their identity, personality and individuality by seeking out "inactivity" within the impersonal Brahmajyoti, in attempt to escape the material creation's suffering of repeated birth and death, where they unsuccessfully tried to enjoy a temporary decaying world they mistakenly believed was their real home.

However, the jiva-souls NEVER originated from that impersonal Brahmajyoti either, meaning it is NOT their real original home or origin as some wrongly believe.

This further means the jiva-souls did not originate from a nonsense clear sheet of inactive consciousness either, that fools claim is always growing and expanding with new jiva-souls.

Such nonsense impersonal teachings from other bogus Sangas (religious cults) should be avoided because there is no "origin" for the marginal living entities (jiva-souls).

Also the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) did NOT originate from tatastha-sakti either as some bogus gurus, sannyasis and devotees teach.

The marginal living entities are just as old as Kṛṣṇa and are eternal like Krsna, just like the Sun-disc and Sun-rays cannot exist without each other, similarly Kṛṣṇa and His marginal energy (jiva-souls) can never exist without each other.

The jiva-souls are ALWAYS in the category of the "marginal potency" who exist in both the Spiritual Worlds and material creation.

The material energy is created by Maha Visnu but the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) also do not originate from Maha-Visnu.

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) were NEVER created meaning they did NOT originate, or were generated from either Mahā-Viṣṇu or the impersonal Brahmajyoti as explained above.

The way the jiva-souls first entered the material creation is they came down from Vaikunthaloka or Goloka-Vrindavana by choice.

Srila Prabhupada - “We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago.” - (Lecture on Bhagavad-gita on August 6, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - ''These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha”. (Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - “As living spiritual souls we are all originally Krsna conscious entities, but due to our association with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness has now become polluted by the material atmosphere.” (Original Hare Krsna "Happening record album" New York City Dec 1966)

Srila Prabhupāda - "Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father,  so God does not interfere with your independence. If you persist that “I must go and enjoy independently,” so God says, “All right, you can go.” (Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974)

The individual marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are Krsna's energy eternally and can never be the energetic (Krsna) or exist separately from Krsna.

All jiva-souls entered the material creation originalkly AFTER voluntary choosing to leave Vaikuntha.

Only after becoming frustrated with material existence do the jiva-souls try to escape by seeking shelter in the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

So lets be very clear here, the jiva-souls do NOT originate from Maha-Visnu or the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

Srila Prabhupada - ” Even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna?’ I immediately fall down to the material world.” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Srila Prabhupada - ''The actual constitutional position of every living entity is nitya-siddha, because God is eternal and His part and parcels, the living entities, they are also eternal. So that is nitya-siddha. Nitya-siddha, sädhana-siddha, krpa-siddha-there are different grades. They are all described in The Nectar of Devotion. So one can become sadhana-siddha. (Caitanya-caritamrta, July 13, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - ''By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can also become siddha. He can become AGAIN nitya-siddha". (Lecture on Caitanya-caritamrta, July 13, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha, to bring them back to their original position. It is a difficult task'' (New York lecture on Caitanya-caritamrta, July 13, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - 'This material world is created by the dreaming of Mahā-Viṣṇu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation”. (SB 4.29.83 Purport)

Srila Prabhupada - ''The next question, about the living entities falling down to the material world is they are NOT from the impersonal brahman. Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness". (Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "Those who are in the brahman effulgence (impersonal Brahmajyoti) they are also in a fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition". (Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness. So long as one can maintain pure Krsna consciousness, he does not fall down. As soon as he becomes out of Krsna consciousness, immediately he has fallen down’’. (Letter to Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Devotee – “When we are in the spiritual sky and serving Krsna, we have a perfect relationship with Krsna, what causes us to fall down into the material world, because we’re already serving Krsna?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Because you desire to fall down. Here it is explained that “Don’t fall down.”

Devotee – “Srila Prabhupada, I can’t understand why we should have an impure desire when we are already serving…”

Srila Prabhupada – “Because you have got little freedom. Why one is not coming here and going to the liquor shop? It is his desire.

Devotee – “In the Srimad-Bhagavatam it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Yes, you forced Krsna to allow you to come. Just like sometimes a child forces his father. Father says, “My dear son, do not do this. Do not go there.” But he insists, “Oh, I must go. I must go.” “All right, you go at your risk and suffer. What can be done? 

So because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father,  so God does not interfere with your independence. 

If you persist that “I must go and enjoy independently,” so God says, “All right, you can go.” This is the position. You have to take sanction. That is a fact. But when you persist, God sanctions. And you come and enjoy." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Acyutananda - "So what made the jiva-soul take birth in the material world in the first place?"

Srila Prabhupada - "In the first place?"

Acyutananda - ''What is the first birth? What is the cause of the first birth''.

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, that is stated in the Prema-vivarta:

krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare nikata-stha maya tare japatiya dhare

We are eternal servant of Krsna. As soon as we want to become master, that is the beginning of our first birth in the material world. We have got independence. 

Krsna says, mamaivamso jiva bhutah—we are part and parcel of Krsna—so Krsna has got full independence, but we are minute; therefore we have got minute independence. 

Our business is to serve Krsna, but as soon as we give up this idea, we want to become master. That is the beginning of our material birth''. (Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.5.2-Hyderabad, April 11, 1975)

Acyutananda – "But in the Bhagavad Gita, Krsna says, "Once coming to the Spiritual World, he never returns to the material creation. He can return?"

Srila Prabhupada – "If he likes he can return."

Guru-kripa – "How is it that one can become envious of Krsna?"

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence, you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God. God has got full independence, but you have got independence too, proportionately, because you are part and parcel, so if he likes, he can return. That independence has to be accepted. We can misuse that. Krsna-bahirmukha haïä bhoga väïchä kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown."(Conversation, Mayapur, February 19, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - ''So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna?’ I immediately fall down. That is natural. A servant is serving the master, but sometimes he may think that, "If I could become the master." They are thinking like that; they are trying to become God. That is delusion. You cannot become God. That is not possible. But he’s wrongly thinking."

Vipina Purandara - "Why doesn’t Krsna protect us from that desire?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He is protecting you. He says, "You rascal, don’t desire like that, surrender unto Me." But you are rascal; you do not do this."

Vipina Purandara - "Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?"

Srila Prabhupada - "That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me." Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Paramahamsa - "But ultimately if we come to Krsna, there’s no return to the material creation?"

Srila Prabhupada - "There IS return, that is voluntary. Return there is."

Paramahamsa - "If we want."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes."

Paramahamsa - "So we can come to the spiritual world and return?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes."

Paramahamsa - "Fall down?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, as soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice, Yes," Krsna says, "yes, you go and enjoy the material world, otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Krsna is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this." Just like some of our students sometimes go away, again come back. It is free will. Just like one goes to the prisonhouse, not that government welcomes, "Come on. We have got prisonhouse. Come here, come here." He goes out of his free will; again comes out, again goes, like that."

Paramahamsa - ''So our desire to enjoy, we achieve these material bodies; and our desire to achieve Krsna brings us to our natural position."

Srila Prabhupada - ''Yes." (Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course, May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Therefore "we" are responsible for our choices and actions in a human body.

However, in the material creation in the human form of life, (400 thousand species of humans throughout the universe) free will in miniscule and almost does not exist because in a human material body one is binded by their own reactions to their pious and impious deeds (karma).

There is no karmic reactions in the lower 8 million species of life because they act only on instinct - 

eating, 

sleeping, 

mating 

defending. 

Srila Prabhupada – ''Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? 

The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is ALWAYS a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence''. (Letter to Jagadisa Prabhu, 4/25/1970.)

Srila Prabhupada – Regarding your several questions, where are all the spirit souls coming from? These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities. There is no new soul. New and old are due to this material body, but the soul is NEVER born and NEVER dies, so if there is no birth, so how there can be new soul?''. (Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970)

Srila Prabhupada - “Regarding your questions concerning the spirit souls falling into Maya’s influence, it is not that those who have developed a passive relationship with Krsna are more likely to fall into nescient activities. 

Usually anyone who has developed his relationship with Krsna does not fall down in any circumstance, but because the independence is always there, the soul may fall down from any position or any relationship by misusing his independence. (Letter to Jagadisa 02/27/1970)

Srila Prabhupada - “The relationship with Krsna is never lost, it is simply forgotten by the influence of maya, so it maybe regained or revived by the process of hearing the Holy Name of Krsna and then the devotee engages himself in the service of the Lord which is his original or constitutional position. 

The relationship of the living entity with Krsna is eternal as both Krsna and the living entity are eternal; the process is one of revival only, nothing new'' (Letter to Jagadisa 02/27/1970)

Returning home back to Godhead is not necessarily permanent Prabhupada explains, that choice to stay or go is also the jiva-souls choice too.

Therefore it is NOT just a "one-way" decision that only Krsna makes for the jiva-souls and is final, no, real loving exchanges can NEVER exist without allowing the "free will" or choices of the jiva-souls expressed in a "two-way" mutual exchange.

Krsna does NOT run a totalitarian dictatorial regime in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana, the jiva-souls NEVER lose their free will there.

This means the jiva-souls ALWAYS have a choice to accept or reject Krsna and CAN leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana at anytime. 

Gurus, sannyasis and Temple leaders in others sangas, including the Gaudiya Math, have a totally WRONG understanding of the "origin of the jiva-soul"

Devotee – "In Srimad Bhagavatam, it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here?” Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?”

Srila Prabhupada - “That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. 

Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C).

The jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana are forever expanding their expression of individuality with personal voluntary offerings based on "free will" and selfless loving reciprocal exchanges with Krsna, it is NEVER a one-sided master/slave relationship with the Krsna (God)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Real love or Bhakti is ALWAYS reciprocal, as said above, it is NEVER a one sided affair where surrender to Krsna takes away one's sense of self, individuality and personal contributions and choices.

This is important to understand because each individual jiva-soul has their own independent personality, sense of self and unique personality and characteristics separate from Krsna's Personality that THEY only each uniquely have, that is part and parcel of each individual marginal living entities make up as the independent unique "person" they are eternally.

Srila Prabhupada - “Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. "So God does not interfere with your independence”. (Conversation Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974)

Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krsna give us free will if He knew we would miss use it?"

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life". (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

"Free will" or freedom is something never acquired, nor ever given up or surrendered in the Spiritual World as ignorant fools believe. 

Free will is eternally part and parcel of the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) natural constitution and therefore ALWAYS exists without beginning or end in the Spiritual Planets.

However, free will in its full potential, is ONLY fully experienced in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan, which is the jiva-souls original perpetual home.

The jiva-souls (marginal living entities) NEVER emerged or originated from a nonsense "clear sheet of consciousness" known as the dormant inactive Brahmajyoti, Brahman or tatastha-sakti as impersonalist and Mayavadi Gurus, sannyasis and some Gaudiya Vaisnavas foolishly believe.

There is NO such place of origin, known as tatastha-sakti were it is claimed the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are generated or originate from, as many nonsense Gaudiya Math gurus claim, no, their impersonal understanding is wrong.

Tatastha-sakti refers to the conditioned state of the marginal living entity in the material creation and the impersonal Brahmajyoti Prabhupada explains.

In both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana the marginal living entities are NOT referred to as tatastha-sakti.

Tatastha-sakti refers to the marginal living entity (jiva-soul) in a conditioned state outside Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana while they are in the material creation or dormant in the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

The Gaudiya Math's understanding of the jiva-soul's origin presented by the late Sridhar Maharaj, the late Narayana Maharaj and others is impersonal nonsense and should be rejected.

All their interpretations of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur's Books such as "Jaiva Dharma" they have translated into English with their polluted impersonal nonsense views, I reject.

As explained above, the marginal potency (tatastha-sakti) is NOT a place, it is a category of Krsna's energy that is made up of unlimited INDIVIDUAL jiva-souls that have no beginning (origin) and will never cease to be as Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 Text 20 explains.

It is said the jiva-souls are generated from tatastha-sakti but that simple means they are individual parts and parcels of the "marginal plane, energy or potency" and NOT that they are literally generated from some place in outer space.

The fact is the jiva-souls are NOT generated from anywhere because they have ALWAYS existed as the marginal potency.

The English word "generated" can be misleading because it can also mean a beginning however, the use of that word generated means they are part and parcel of the marginal energy or potency who are ETERNAL and NEVER created.

So the proper understanding is this - "the marginal energy or potency is also known as tatastha sakti, but ONLY while in the conditioned state. 

The jiva-souls are NOT known as tatastha-sakti in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana. 

The marginal potency of individual jiva-souls are spread out in both the Spiritual Worlds and material creation in unlimited numbers. 

Therefore we are ALWAYS the marginal potency or living entities that eternally exist in both the Spiritual Worlds or the material creation.

The marginal living entities or jiva-souls are always the energy of Krsna who are eternal without beginning or end. 

The jiva-souls were NEVER created by Krsna because the marginal living entity (jiva-souls) are part and parcel of Krsna and like Krsna, are eternal without beginning or end, ONLY the material worlds were created.

Srila Prabhupāda - "The soul is part and parcel of God. As God is not created---He is creator, above creation---so the father creates a child; therefore father is above creation. So God is above creation. God created the cosmic manifestation. Before creation of this cosmic world, God was there. Therefore He is not created; He is creator of all created things. And the soul, being part and parcel of God, he is also not created". (Room Conversation with Dr. John Mize, June 23, 1975 Los Angeles)

All jiva-souls coming to the material creation directly originate from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan where they are beginningless and endless as explained above.

So the jiva-souls have no origin.  

The fact is, on the Spiritual platform, there is no creation of the individual jiva-souls, they were NEVER created by Krsna. 

The jiva-souls have always been as Chapter 2 Text 20 Bhagavad Gita tells us.

"For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain". (BG Chapter 2 Text 20)

The individual jiva-souls are unique independent parts and parcel of Krsna, just like the sunrays and the Sun-disc can never be separated, similarly  the jiva-souls are just as old as Krsna (beginningless).

Srila Prabhupada – ''Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence''. (Letter to Jagadisa Prabhu, 4/25/1970.)

Srila Prabhupada - “Regarding your questions concerning the spirit souls falling into Maya’s influence, it is not that those who have developed a passive relationship with Krsna are more likely to fall into nescient activities. Usually anyone who has developed his relationship with Krsna does not fall down in any circumstance, but because the independence is always there, the soul may fall down from any position or any relationship by misusing his independence. (Letter to Jagadisa 02/27/1970)

Only the material worlds (matter) is created and NOT the spiritual living beings. 

Individual Spiritual beings like us (jiva-souls), are expansions of Krsna known as the marginal living entities who have 78.125% of Krsna's qualities, which is having 50 of Krsna’s 64 qualities.

The jiva-souls are expansions of Krsna (but they are NOT Krsna).

The jiva-souls (marginal living entities) have their own unique individuality and personality independent from Krsna's Personality, yet are fully dependent on His energies because Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL cause

There are many Sakti expansions from Krsna in different categories known as Visnu-tattva (like Balarama, Krsna's older brother, and Narayana/Visnu on all the Vaikuntha Planets. 

And there are also Visnu-sakti-tattvas like Radharani and the internal direct expansions (potency) of Krsna playing different roles in Vrindavana in Krsna's pastimes. They are ALL Krsna in just another role in His own pastimes

When Krsna wanted to experience a loving relationship He knew it could never exist with just "one" so He divided Himself into "two" who are Srimati Radharani and Krsna, the Divine couple.

Both Visnu-tattva and Visnu-sakti- tattvas have 93.75% of Krsna's qualities (making them direct expansions) having 60 of Krsna's 64 qualities, there is only 4 qualities they do not fully have.

And then there is Siva-tattva who in a league of his own, having 85.375% of Krsna's qualities which is 55 of Krsna's 64 attributes. 

Lord Siva is neither jiva-soul (tattva) or Visnu-tattva.

All these expansions were NEVER created, an important point to understand even though a paradox.

Krsna and all of His expansions including the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) have ALWAYS existed.

Srila Prabhupada - "Just like the Sun-disc and the sun-rays cannot exist without each other, similarly Krsna and the jiva-souls cannot exist without each other" (Nectar of Devotion).

This means the jiva-souls NEVER emerged from a nonsense "clear state of inactive dormant consciousness" known as the impersonal Brahmajyoti, Brahman or tatasta-sakti as mayavadis, impersonalist and bogus Vaisnavas foolishly believe.

The meaning of "Simultaneously one and difficult"

The marginal living entities (jīva-souls) are a part and parcel of Krsna and cannot be separated from the Supreme, yet are also simultaneously separated as independent living beings with their own sense of self, individuality, personality and free will.

Therefore the jiva-souls are NOT Krsna, they are NOT God (Krsna).

Room Conversation -- May 10, 1969, Columbus, Ohio with His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada-

Pradyumna - "Do the five direct rasas take place between jīva-souls also when they are..."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Everything for jīva souls, all relationship. Kṛṣṇa is one, the Supreme, and all the jīva-souls are part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. Therefore the eternal relationship is there. Now they are exhibited in these twelve kinds of humor, either directly or indirectly. 

Jīva-soul, a part and parcel, cannot be separated from the Supreme. Sun and the light, electric bulb, and the diffusion of light, they cannot be separated. But this portion is covered. It appears darkness. 

So when it is covered, that is called māyā, and he thinks that "I have no relationship with God," or "I am God," "There is no God." This is māyā. He is covered. He cannot see. 

So he has to be treated by this Kṛṣṇa consciousness treatment, and the māyā will be separated, and he will see, "Ah, yes, I am part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa." Then he comes to the direct relationship". (May 10, 1969, Columbus, Ohio)

It is important to understand that NO jiva-souls originate from the dormant Brahmajyoti, impersonal Brahman or tatasta-sakti (an imaginary place that does not exist)

The fact is all marginal living entities (jiva souls) originate directly from the fully active Spiritual Vaikuntha planets or Goloka Vrindavana where they all have an eternal svarupa spiritual body, where the Lords pastimes are perpetually happening.

Srila Prabhupāda – ''Unless there are "two persons", where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there". (August 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada – “So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force.” (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - “Unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom.” (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

Syamasundara - "Can we predict that returning back home, back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however some do come back?''

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time and leave when ever you choose".

Syamasundara - "So some come back to the material creation?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes. Otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."

Devotee - "Then the jiva-soul is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence and fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is NOT to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? But naturally if one becomes free from the prison house, he should not return there again". (Discussions with Syamasundara > Henri Bergson)

For those who believe no one can ever fall down from Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, they have NOT understood these clear points explained by Srila Prabhupada.

In Bhagavad Gita As It Is, Krsna promises the jiva-souls they will NEVER again fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana to the material creation, and yes, Krsna will ALWAYS keeps His promise!

However, are the jiva-souls forced to accept that promise from Krsna? 

If true, this would mean the jiva-souls lose their "free will" in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana and can NEVER leave even if they want to because of that promise from Krsna?

The fact is, Krsna's promise of the jiva-souls NEVER falling down again to the material creation is from Krsna's point of view. 

However, the fact is, the jiva-souls do NOT have to accept Krsna's promise as final if they choose, they CAN reject that too because of their free will.

There MUST be choice (free will) in the Spiritual Worlds otherwise there can be no question of loving voluntary exchanges that enrich a relationship.

Fortunately over 90% of jiva-souls at one time choose to NEVER fall down, only less than 10% choose to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana Prabhupada has explained.

However, that also can change over eternity, after all, the jiva-souls ARE beginningless and endless.

Some jiva-souls may have fallen down from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana many, many times to the material creation over eternity 

Srila Prabhupada wrote me a letter when I was a young man of 23 years in early 1975 (found in vaniquotes).

I admitted to Prabhupada I was having difficulty that was not helped by our Sydney Temple being demolished in 1974 by local authorities (Bulldozed into the ground leaving us out on the sidewalk, including the beautiful Radha Gopinath Deities).

Many devotees left the movement or moved to Melbourne Temple as the struggle in Sydney became too difficult for them to handle. 

However, I chose to stay when we moved to our incense factory building in an industrial area of Alexander (Sydney) in late 1974.

So out of frustration and youthful immaturity, I wrote to Prabhupada about my difficulties and my suspicions about a senior devotee leader that was also having difficulty that turned out to be true as he eventually left the Movement within 6 months.

Prabhupada wrote back to me saying I MUST follow his orders and that I have NO choice because I had already promised a few years ealier to follow his orders as his student at initiation. 

Otherwise, he warned me, I was only carving my way to hell!

Even though Prabhupada said I have no choice other than hell, the fact is for him to say "follow my teachings otherwise your going to hell only proves I DO have free will.

Obviously Prabhupada's comments indicates I DO have a choice.

Being young and immature in 1974/5 as I was, Prabhupada was really warning his young disciple to properly use "free will" and NOT miss use it. 

So even though Prabhupada said I have no choice, the fact is there is ALWAYS a choice - 

"Follow Prabhupada's teachings, or choose to go to hell".

Some like my parents (as I was just 23 years old), were not impressed with what they described as Prabhupada's "hash arrogent comments" of follow him or you are going to hell.

They believed Srila Prabhupada did NOT understand the difficulties the Temple in Sydney was going through at that time in 1974 that put many young devotees under pressure.

Sadly, over the years many immature leaders and devotees have no idea what my personal relationship with Prabhupada is, and have sadly tried to use that letter to put me down, belittle my faith and force me to submit to their demands.

Fortunately when Prabhupada came a year after that letter was sent, he called me to his room and spoke nicely to me, concerned for my welfare and humbly asked me to NEVER leave his ISKCON Society, which I never did (in my 70s now in 2022)

Ultimately each individual jiva-soul is a unique PERSON with their own personality who can choose for themselves how to voluntarily serve Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, the best way they can, OR ignore Him if they want.

As Prabhupada has explained, Krsna NEVER forces the jiva-soul to surrender to Him, never forces them to love Him, that MUST be voluntary otherwise love can NEVER genuinely exist unless there are voluntary reciprocal exchanges.

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is NOT love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation. (Lecture on Bhagavad Gita Chapter 9 text 2-5, New York, November 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be "one" or love cannot be executed only with one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there MUST be "two", there must be lover, there must be beloved in a two-way exchange otherwise how can there be love? (Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 1 Chapter 2 text 6, Delhi, November 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - ''Their impersonalist philosophy is oneness. So how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There MUST be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant..." (Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 2 Chapter 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Impersonalism has many meanings, there are other impersonalist who believe surrendering to Krsna means giving up your free will and unique personality and becoming Krsna's mindless "yes man/women", pawn and puppet.

That impersonal version of Krsna Consciousness MUST be rejected Prabhupada explains.

Srila Prabhupada – “In Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver”. (Washington DC July 1976)

Ultimately each individual jiva-soul is a unique PERSON with their own personality who can choose for themselves how to voluntarily serve Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, the best way THEY can, or ignore Him if they want.

As Prabhupada has explained, Krsna NEVER forces the jiva-souls to surrender to Him, never forces them to love Him, that MUST be voluntary otherwise love can NEVER exist unless there is that endeavour to establish voluntary reciprocal exchanges.

Having "Free will" or freedom is something never acquired, nor can ever be given up or surrendered in the Spiritual World. 

"Free will" is eternally "part and parcel" of the jiva-soul's natural constitution as a spiritual living entity and perpetually exists without beginning or end in the Spiritual Planets.

Therefore "free will" in its full potential, is ONLY fully experienced in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan, which are the jiva-soul's original perpetual homes.

On the other hand, free will in the material creation is greatly restricted and only experienced minutely in the human species.

In all other species of life in the material creation, there is no free will or the ability to enquire about the purpose of existence, there is only the instincts of eating, sleeping, mating and defending.

So the human form (material bodily vessel) the jiva-soul has occupied, is very important because it is the most advanced species that can assist the trapped jiva-soul to get out of the material creation making it very, very rare.

There are 8 million 400 thousand species of life but only 400 thousand human species making the human form of life very rare.

Krsna NEVER forces the jiva-souls to surrender to Him or love Him, they must choose for themselves, if He did, then that is NOT love, it is forced surrender, exploitation and abuse.

There is ALWAYS free will and the ability to always choose in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana which means one can choose accept or reject Krsna eternally.

Otherwise there is no meaning to free will.

A devotee once ask Srila Bhaktisiddhanta why was the jiva-souls granted "free will" when they could misuse it?

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta answered- 

“You are fighting for freedom. Don’t you know the value of having free will? Devoid of freedom the jiva-soul is only matter. Real freedom or free will therefore offers the jiva-soul the alternative to do either right or wrong". 

Gandhi then demanded-

”We want our freedom too.”

The British authorities replied- 

“You are not fit to have self-government or freedom. When you are fit, we shall give it to you.”

Gandhi then demanded-

“We want the freedom to do right or wrong too.”

So having one's freedom does not guarantee only acting in the right way; no, the choice must be there to also do wrong if on chooses.

"Free will" means ALWAYS to be able to choose "for yourself" what is "right or wrong" for you, and NOT forced by others to do what THEY believe is right or wrong for you.

Therefore the possibility of also rejecting Krsna must ALWAYS be there too in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana because that's what "free will" also means - to ALWAYS have a choice.

So those who claim the jiva-souls never again falls down from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana are talking nonsense no matter who they are or claim to be.

Fall down is ALWAYS possible because the jiva-souls can always act on their "free will" in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana that Krsna never interferes with.

If our existence was denied free will by having the independent ability to choose for oneself, then it is best to commit Spiritual suicide by merging dormantly into the impersonal Brahmajyoti and be totally "inactive" like dead stone!!

Without free will there is no question of having any loving relationships with Kṛṣṇa, therefore it is better to be an impersonalist than Krsna's mindless slave or His puppet!

Some devotees pray for that, pray to be an atom in Krsna's lotus feet, pray to be Krsna's puppet and He the puppet master. 

To me they are nonsense impersonalist who are trying to extinguish their identity, unique personality and individual responsibilities.

Our first choice AFTER rejecting Krsna in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, is to dominate and imitate Krsna, it is that choice, due to free will, that causes the jiva-soul to enter the material temporary creation and try to dominate (try to lord it over their surroundings).

This choice of entering the material creation has nothing to do with the influence of Maya and the material energy. 

This is because the material energy does NOT exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana.

As a result of the rebellious jiva-soul's "choice" to reject Krsna, their relocation to the material creation begins to developed based on the rebellious jiva-souls desire to enjoy separately from Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada has explained that the "original position" of the jiva soul is always with Krsna in the Spiritual World, engaged in a reciprocal relationship based on voluntary loving exchanges.

This is the jiva-soul's real eternal home and "original position" from where they can AGAIN fall from if they choose. Return back home back to Godhead is ONLY permanent if the jiva-souls choose it to be permanent

As explained above, Maya can NEVER be blamed for the fall down of the jiva soul from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana to the material creation in any way.

As already exlained, Maya in her role as the personification of material energy, does NOT exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana, therefore maya can NEVER tempt the jiva-souls to forget Krsna in anyway in the Spiritual Worlds. 

The ONLY cause of fall down is the "free will" to choose to live separate from Krsna, and there is almost no other cause.

Except rarely the committing some offence in Vaikuntha like what Jai and Vijai did as Vaikuntha's gate keepers when they insulted the great devotees known as the four Kumaras.

The jiva-souls have "free will" eternally in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana as part and parcel of their marginal constitutional make up as perpetual living entities.

Dr. John Mize – "Did all the jiva-souls that were in the spiritual sky fall out of the spiritual sky at once or at different times, or are there any jiva-souls that are always good, they’re not foolish, they don’t fall down?"

Srila Prabhupada – "No, there are majority, 90%, they are always good. They never fall down."

Dr. John Mize – "So we’re among the 10%."

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, or less than that. In the material, whole material world all the living entities they are… Just like in the prison house, there is some population, but they are not majority. The majority of the population, they are outside the prison house. Similarly, majority of living being, part and parcel of God, they are in the spiritual world. Only a few fall down."

Dr. John Mize – "Does Krsna know ahead of time that a jiva-soul is going to be foolish and fall?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Krsna? Yes, Krsna may know because He is omniscient."

Dr. John Mize – "Are more jiva-souls falling all the time?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Not all the time. But there is the tendency of fall down, not for all, but because there is independence. Everyone is not liking to misuse the independence. The same example, just like a government constructing a city and constructs also prison house because the government knows that somebody will be criminal. So their shelter must be also constructed. It is very easy to understand. Not that cent percent population will be criminal, but government knows that some of them will be. Otherwise why they construct prison house also? One may say, "Where is the criminal? You are constructing." Government knows, there will be criminal. So if the ordinary government can know, why God cannot know? Because there is tendency."

Dr. John Mize – "The origin of that tendency (to fall from Goloka) is?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes."

Dr. John Mize – "From where does that tendency come?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Tendency means the independence. So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force. Therefore Krsna says,yathecchasi tathä kuru. “Now you do whatever you like." (BG, As It Is. lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Tape of this conversion here -

https://youtu.be/HatiYaOljJ8