Wednesday, January 4, 2023

Seeking to be an artificial spiritual spark in the brahman effulgence or brahmajyoti, denying one's personal bodily spiritual form, is spiritual suicide to a Vaisnava.

Not interested in the nonsense dormant inactive artificial bodiless spiritual spark in the brahman effulgence or impersonal brahmajyoti.

Desiring this fallen dormant condition is spiritual suicide to a Vaisnava, who only wants to be "active" as a PERSON serving Krsna in His wonderful eternal pastimes.

Eternal devotional voluntary "active service" in the pastimes of Krsna is the jiva-souls original eternal position. 

Only fools believe the individual jiva-souls originated from the impersonal brahmajyoti, or emerged from tatastha-sakti which is also a fallen conditioned state of the individual jiva-soul outside of the spiritual world.

Srila Prabhupada - "This material world is the taṭastha or conditioned characteristics, and the spiritual worlds are the personal eternal non-conditioned characteristics (The Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavan)."  (New York City, Dec 28, 1966)

Taking birth in the temporary mundane material creation is achieved by first choosing to leave one's real position perpetual and home in the spiritual world (Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana).

The individual jiva-souls were never born or never created, nor will they ever die, only the outer material bodily vessel or container decays and wears out forcing the jiva-souls within to leave that container and take another material bodily vessel while in the material world. The jiva-souls are passengers in the material body and ALWAYS exist even when the material body wears out and ceases to function.

The individual jiva-souls NEVER originated from an "inactive" clear sheet of "dormant" consciousness either, meaning they NEVER originated from an impersonal inactive origin in the Brahman or Brahmajyoti effulgence.

Revatīnandana - "Srila Prabhupāda you explained to me in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the impersonal brahmajyoti, he is considered fallen, still fallen, does that means the whole impersonal brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, if I go to the brahmajyoti am I still fallen?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana - "So that means all jīva-souls there are also fallen souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness." (Letter to Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970) 

The individual jiva-souls in their full spiritual personal potential have the same bodily features as Krsna, being a "spiritual bodiless that spark" in Krsna's bodily effulgence is a fallen condition of the jiva-soul 

Goloka-Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha planets (The Kingdoms of God) are the original home of the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) where they ARE eternal spiritual  bodily individual forms. It is also a place where there is NO repeated birth and death, decay or impermanence. 

The individual jiva-souls in the spiritual world do NOT occupy a material bodily vessel like they do in the material world which is always in a state of decline and decay, therefore always in need of constant maintenance.

The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) were NEVER created, they have not originated from anywhere because they were never created and will NEVER cease to be, they have ALWAYS existed as Bhagavad-Gita As It Is tells us.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." (BG, Ch 2 text 12, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O son of Kuntī, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed." (BG, Ch 2 text 14, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O best among men [Arjuna], the person who is not disturbed by happiness and distress and is steady in both is certainly eligible for liberation." (BG, Ch 2 text 15, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both." (BG, Ch 2 text 16, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “The material body of the indestructible, immeasurable and eternal living entity is sure to come to an end; therefore, fight, O descendant of Bharata." (BG, Ch 2 text 18, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 19, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG Ch 2 text 20 "corrected" 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable and immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the material body." (BG, Ch 2 text 25, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "If, however, you think that the soul [or the symptoms of life] is always born and dies forever, you still have no reason to lament, O mighty armed." (BG, Ch 2 text 26, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "One who has taken his birth is sure to die, and after death one is sure to take birth again. Therefore, in the unavoidable discharge of your duty, you should not lament."  (BG, Ch 2 text 27, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "All created beings are unmanifest in their beginning, manifest in their interim state, and unmanifest again when annihilated. So what need is there for lamentation?" (BG, Ch 2 text 28, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Some look on the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing, and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, cannot understand him at all." (BG, Ch 2 text 29, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O descendant of Bharata, he who dwells in the material body can never be slain. Therefore, you need not grieve for any living being." (BG, Ch 2 text 30, 1983 edition)

Because all jīva-souls are ETERNAL then there are no new jiva-souls because they have ALWAYS existed.

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 9th July 1970)

The jiva-souls therefore are eternal spiritual living PERSONS and can never be destroyed, terminated or extinguished, the jiva-souls are indestructible. 

Just like the Sun-disc and the sun-rays cannot exist without each other, similarly Krsna and the individual jiva-souls cannot exist without each other as the "Nectar of Devotion" explains. 

Because of free will the jiva-souls can choose to stay in the spiritual world or at any time enter the material world.

Acyutananda - ''In the Bhagavad Gita Krsna says, "Once coming to the spiritual world, one never returns to the material world."

Srila Prabhupada - ''But if he likes, he can return, that is voluntary." 

Acyutananda - ''He can return?''

Srila Prabhupada - ''Yes, that independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that. Krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown."(Morning Walk Feb 19, 1976, Mayapur)

Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krsna give us free will if He knew we could fall down to the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you MUST have free will. But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France).

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