Gauragopala Das ACBSP: Voluntary loving service under the guidance of genuine Guru leads to pure devotional service to Krsna.

This begins one's journey back home, back to Godhead to be with Krsna.

Returning back to Goloka-Vrindavana, or the Vaikuntha planets reveals the permanent eternal homes and origin of the marginal living entities (jiva-souls)

The jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, are forever voluntarily expanding the expression of their unique individuality with an increasing variety of personal devotional offerings and contributions based on free will.

All the material bodily vessels in the material creation belong to Maha-Visnu and must be purchased or "hired" from Him if one desires to enter the material world.

Srila Prabhupada - "We are not the owner f this body, not the owner of the senses. The senses are "hired" from the Supreme Lord. This is very subtle understanding, one should know the proprietor of the senses is God." (March 1966 NY City USA)

Srila Prabhupada - "The "immediate" expansions of the Lord are called svāṁśa or "personal direct" expansions (Visnu-tattva). The "separated" expansions of the Lord are called vibhinnāṁśa - jiva-tattva or independent jiva-souls like us." (BG, Ch 10 Text 37, Purport)

Each individual jiva-soul in the spiritual world can "choose" to "voluntarily" serve Krsna in an unlimited variety of ways, or even reject Him if they choose and enter the material world.

The jiva-souls relationship with Krsna and Visnu is never a "one-sided" master/slave dictatorial forceful relationship with Krsna as Prabhupada explains.

Krsna does not control the "surrendered" jiva-souls by force like a puppet master controls every movement of his puppets with the manipulations of strings, that will only deny self expression, individual contributions and voluntary service.

However, Krsna does control His pure devotees by nurturing loving exchanges and reciprocation. The jiva-souls are inspired by Krsna’s selfless loving attention to His devotees that only increases their unconditional love for Krsna but also Krsna's love for them. In this way one's relationship with Krsna is always a "two-way" street.

Srila Prabhupada - "Krsna does not want to become a lover by force, from the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; no, that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Srila Prabhupada - "The "immediate" expansions of the Lord are called svāṁśa or personal direct expansions (Visnu-tattva who are Krsna playing another role in His own pastimes) The "separated" expansions of the Lord are called vibhinnāṁśa - (jiva-tattva) or independent jiva-souls like us." (From BG, Ch 10 Text 37, Purport)

If the jiva-souls had no "free will" in the Spiritual world then they are no better than dead stone Prabhupada tells us.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada explains below, that all jiva-souls are eternal PERSONS as their original Spiritual bodily form.

The jiva-soul's (marginal living entities) original bodily form is having the same bodily features as Krsna, which is-

sat,

cit,

ananda,

vigraha.

Which means-

eternity,

knowledge,

bliss,

form.

Remember the jiva-souls are eternal PERSONS as a Spiritual bodily form like Krsnas in their original position.

The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) is a two arm form like Krsna's Form.

Srila Prabhupada - "The human form is the full manifestation of the jiva-soul." (Melb, May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul is NOT formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14 - Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee - "What is the form of the spiritual body. If the spirit soul is non-material, what is the form?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul always has got form, and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee - "Śrīla Prabhupāda, you state that spirit soul has form."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Devotee - "Otherwise, how is the material body grown to accommodate the spirit soul? Just like a shirt has no form, but when it's put on the body, it takes the shapes of the body. Does that mean that the spirit soul has the shape of the body that is accommodating it?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, you have got body, a shape, very minute shape that we cannot see, we cannot measure. Therefore in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, "anumeyam," what is that word used? Aprameyam, you cannot measure but it has a form. What is the length and breadth of that form? That is not in your power, but it is not material. If you have spiritual power then you can measure it. And that measurement is also given in the śāstra. What is that? One ten-thousandth part of the tip of the hair. Hair is a very small point. And divide it into ten thousand parts. That one part is the measure, magnitude of the soul.

keśāgra-śata-bhāgasya

śatadhā kalpitasya ca

jīva-bhāgaḥ sa vijñeyaḥ

sa cānantyāya kalpate

(CC Madhya 19.140)

Everything is there. But you have no eyes to see, how to see one ten-thousandth portion of the top of the hair? You cannot see even the original top of the hair. Everything is there. We must have the proper eyes." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 16 text 24 - Hawaii, January 20, 1974)

Hayagrīva - "Aquinas believed that God is the only single essence that consists of pure form. He felt that matter is only a potential and, in order to be real, must assume a certain shape or form.

"Being in the universe have to acquire an individual form in order to actualize themselves. When matter unites with form, the form gives an object its individuality and personality."

A bodily form gives an object its individuality and personality.

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, the matter has no form. The spirit soul has got form. Though the matter is covering the actual form of the spirit soul, the matter appears to have form. Just like the original cloth has no form, but when the tailor cuts the cloth according to the body of the person, then the shirt and coat takes a form. The matter itself has no form. When you take clay, it has no form, but if you make it like a doll, like a man or woman, then it has a form. When the change the clay, and you manufacture a fort, then the fort has form. So form and formlessness is of the matter, but in the spiritual world everything has got form. The spirit soul has got form. God has got form. This is the truth."

Hayagrīva - "Aquinas believed that only God and the angels have form that is not material. There is no difference between God's form and His spiritual self."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, as in the material world any form-man or beast or anyone—in the outward, external covering is matter, but within the matter there is the soul. The soul has form and God has form. That is real form. And the material form is simply shirting and coating over the spiritual body." (Philosophy Discussion on Thomas Aquinas)

Hayagrīva - "He considered that matter was necessary to give the soul form."

Srila Prabhupāda - "No, he has got his original form."

Hayagrīva - "Original form?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Hayagrīva - "Which is the form of the body.:

Srila Prabhupāda - "Original form (like Krsna's Bodily, that is the form of the spirit."

Hayagrīva - "Of the spirit."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, and the form of the body takes place on account of the form of the spirit. This is very nice example. The cloth has no form, but when it is cut according to the form of the gentleman, it takes a form. Similarly, matter has no form. When it is coated on the spiritual form of the soul, it takes the form. This is very easy to understand." (Philosophy Discussion on Thomas Aquinas beliefs)

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first]: Yes. They are more covered. Just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world. There that is voluntary. Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 - Melb, May 20, 1975)

The jiva-souls are eternal spiritual living PERSONS and can never be destroyed, terminated or extinguished, the jiva-souls are indestructible.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 Text 12)

Srila Prabhupada – “There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?” (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "Each "person" is eternal like the Lord. Because the Lord says that He existed as a person before the creation (agre) and will also exist after the annihilation, the Lord is a person eternally." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 4 text 47, Purport)

Srila Prabhupada – “Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the "fallen condition," so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness.” (Letter to Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Bali Mardana - "An example of free will is someone can choose Kṛṣṇa or turn away? Is that an example of free will?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, because if you accept Kṛṣṇa, then you must follow what Kṛṣṇa says. If you don't follow Kṛṣṇa, then what is the use of talking of Kṛṣṇa? If he accepts Kṛṣṇa, he must abide by the injunction of Kṛṣṇa." (Morning Walk, Jan 22, 1974, Hawaii)

Having the "free will" to voluntarily contribute to one's relationship with Krsna, allows the jiva-souls to participate in selflessly serving Krsna by contributing to the relationship in their own unique way, and not allow any so called "God" to impersonally control one's every thought, actions and deeds (offerings) like a puppet master controls and manipulates his puppets.

In the spiritual world one can never be influenced by maya or material energy because maya and the material energy, including "material" desires" do NOT exist there, but free will ALWAYS exists on the Vaikuntha planets and in Goloka-Vrindavana.

Devotee - "Is material desires the cause of fall down, or is it misuse of free will?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will but misuses his free will, just like a thief who knows he is stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. But unless there can be misuse of free will, then there is no question of free will." (Excerpt from: Philosophy Discussions with Srila Prabhupada – Rene Descartes)

Also it is from Goloka-Vrindavana that some jiva-souls choose to enter the Vaikuntha planets and appear there in a blue four armed form similar to Lord Visnu.

The appearance of eternal youth only exists on the Vaikuntha planets, where as in Goloka Vrindavana one does not have a body that is blue like Krsnas, there it is different with more variety of bodily forms.

It is one's "rasa" that is eternal, what ever body that maybe although originally the jiva-souls appearance is a two armed form like Krsna (but that can change due to pastimes) like being Krsna's uncle, parents, the old shop owner etc.

Bodily appearance there is according to pastime, everyone does not look the same in Goloka Vrindavana like they do on the Vaikuntha planets.

Many quotes about the jiva-soul's features explains their journey as a bodiless spark of consciousness entering the material world, or merging as an individual unit into the impersonal Brahmajyoti, or as a spark within Krsna's bodily effulgence (brahmajyoti).

There in the Brahman or Brahmajyoti, the individual jiva-soul is often described as an inactive spark of consciousness who enters the impersonal Brahmajyoti after becoming frustrated with the material creation's terrible cycle of repeated birth and death, experienced in temporary material bodily vessels in the material creation.

Only when Prabhupada talks about the impersonal Brahmajyoti, does he call the jiva-soul a spark, and then adds that appearing as an impersonal spark in Krsna's effulgence is an already fallen condition the jiva-soul has fall down too. This is because originally, the jiva-souls were all in the pastimes of Krsna as individual PERSONS as a spiritual bodily form (vigraha).

Srila Prabhupada also explains this in a more simple way, that the jiva-souls have fallen from the personal pastimes of Krsna to the material creation, or further to the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

Prabhupada explains below that all jiva-souls in their full potential, are eternal PERSONS as their original Spiritual bodily two armed form like Krsna's form.

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense everyone comes from Krsnaloka. When one forgets Krsna he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "We cannot say therefore that we are not with Krsna. As soon as we try to become Lord, immediately Maya covers us. Formerly we were with Krsna in His lila or sport. But this covering of Maya may be of very, very, very, very long duration; therefore many creations are coming and going." (Letter to Madhudvisa Swami June 1972 Australia)

Srila Prabhupada - "So to go to Krsna means you will have to acquire your original spiritual body. The spiritual body is already there, but we are now covered by this material body." (Germany, June 22, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago." (Lecture BG, Aug 6, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada – "Regarding your several questions: Where are the spirit souls coming from? These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 7/9/1970)

Acyutananda - "So what made the jiva-soul take birth in the first place?"

Srila Prabhupada - "In the first place?"

Acyutananda - "What is the first birth? What is the cause of the first birth."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, that is stated in the Prema-vivarta:

krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare

nikata-stha maya tare japatiya dhare

We are eternal servant of Krsna. As soon as we want to become master, that is the beginning of our first birth in the material world. We have got independence. Krsna says, mamaivamso jiva bhutah—we are part and parcel of Krsna—so Krsna has got full independence, but we are minute; therefore we have got minute independence. Our business is to serve Krsna, but as soon as we give up this idea, we want to become master. That is the beginning of our material birth." (Lecture SB, Canto 5 Ch 5 text 2-Hyderabad, April 11, 1975)

Acyutananda - "But in the Bhagavad Gita it says, "Once coming to the Spiritual world, he never returns to the material worlds."

Srila Prabhupada - "But if he likes he can return."

Acyutananda - "He can return?"

Srila Prabhupada - "That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that, it is also voluntary. Krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown." (Morning Walk, Feb 19, 1976, Mayapur)

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are NOT called tatastha-sakti in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana, it is a name describing the "fallen conditioned" state of the jiva-souls in the material creation and when in the impersonal dormant Brahmajyoti.

Therefore the jiva-soul did NOT originate from tatastha-sakti which is an already fallen condition of the jiva-soul.

Srila Prabhupada - "So this "material world" is the taṭastha, the conditioned characteristics, and the "Spiritual worlds" are the "Personal" characteristics. So our effort is to get out of this taṭastha (conditioned characteristics) and enter the permanent characteristics (Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana). That is called spiritual elevation." (New York City, Dec 28, 1966)

Revatīnandana - "Srila Prabhupāda you very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and I go to the brahmajyoti I'm still fallen."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana - "That means all jīva-souls there are also fallen souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes." (Room Conversation Aug 17, 1971, London UK)

Srila Prabhupada - "Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition." (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness." (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

As explained above, in the jiva-soul's original position, they have the same bodily features as Krsna, sat-cit-ananda-vigraha which means a spiritual body that is eternal, full of knowledge, always blissful, and all held together by form.

Srila Prabhupada - "Actually the spiritual body means eternal life of bliss and knowledge. This material body which we are possessing now, is neither eternal, nor blissful, nor full of knowledge. The spiritual body is full of knowledge, just opposite. So we can get that body next life, we have to cultivate how to get that type of body. Therefore the best intelligent person will try to get next body full of blissfulness, knowledge, and eternity." (Lecture BG, 2 Ch 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "The relationship with Krsna is never lost, it is simply forgotten by the influence of maya, so it maybe regained or revived by the process of hearing the Holy Name of Krsna and then the devotee engages himself in the service of the Lord which is his original or constitutional position. The relationship of the living entity with Krsna is eternal as both Krsna and the living entity are eternal; the process is one of revival only, nothing new." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 02/27/1970)

Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krsna give us free will if He knew we could fall down in the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will. But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France).

Can we predict that returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that?

Syamasundara - "Can we predict that returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however, some do come back?''

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time."

Syamasundara - "And some come back?"

Srila Prabhupada -"Yes, otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."

Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence, he can fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is not to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again." (Discussions with Syamasundara and Henri Bergson 1969)

In the Spiritual world all relationships with Krsna are "equally blissful to each other," just like one may like a carnation flower, while others may choose to like a rose flower.

So why did Krsna allow the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) to enter the temporary decaying material creation in the first place?

Devotee – "When we are in the spiritual sky and serving Krsna, we have a perfect relationship with Krsna, what causes us to fall down in the material world, because we’re already serving Krsna?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Because you desire to fall down. Here it is explained that "Don’t fall down."

Devotee – "Srila Prabhupada, I can’t understand why we should have an impure desire when we are already serving…"

Srila Prabhupada – "Because you have got little freedom. Why one is not coming here and going to the liquor shop? It is his desire."

Devotee – "In the Srimad-Bhagavatam, it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, you forced Krsna to allow you to come. Just like sometimes a child forces his father. Father says, "My dear son, do not do this. Do not go there." But he insists, "Oh, I must go. I must go. All right, you go at your risk. That’s all. And you suffer. What can be done? Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, almighty—therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. You have got little independence, so God does not interfere with your little independence. If you persist that "I must go and enjoy independently," so God says, "All right, you can go." This is the position. You have to take sanction. That is a fact. But when you persist, God sanctions. And you come and enjoy." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974 SB lecture)

This means all the individual jiva-souls in the spiritual worlds can voluntarily express themselves in their own unique way by offerings personal unique contributions to Krsna.

Real love or genuine service can only exist when free will allows the jiva-souls to voluntarily participate in loving devotional exchanges by contributing to the relationship with Krsna in their own unique way.

Such voluntary service deepens one's exchanges with Krsna through personal expressions that enhances, enriches and adds a variety of flavours to one's unique relationship with Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, USA, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "The jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is "voluntary." Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna," he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Because you are Son of God you have independence, you have acquired the quality of your father, so God does not interfere with your independence. If you persist that “I must enjoy independently,” God says, “All right, you can go.” This is the position, if you persist, God sanctions. And you can come here and enjoy. Everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

The individual jiva-souls are unique independent living entities in the Spiritual worlds who have their own personality and a sense of independent self that is separate from Krsna's Personality, yet simultaneously are dependent on Krsna as His parts and parcels.

The reason is very clear, Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes including the jiva-soul's free will. Krsna gives the jiva-souls their independence and free will so they can choose how to serve Him voluntarily in their own unique personal way, or even reject Him if they choose, this is expressing one's free will fully.

This allows the jiva-souls to always contribute their own unique offerings out of unconditional personal love, without the need of any pressure or force from Krsna or His devotees however, their are always words of encouragement and suggestions from other genuine, Gurus, sannyasis and devotees.

Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one, or love cannot be executed by only one, there MUST be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then there is love." (SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness. So how can there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience? Love means one? No. "Love means two." There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He's so lover of you that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant..." (SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Surrender to Krsna in the spiritual world never means giving up your free will and allowing Krsna to completely control all of your every actions, deeds, words and thoughts, no, such a relationship in this version of Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana is impersonalism.

The jiva-souls in the spiritual world are not programmed "mindless" drones or robots who only obey what they are told, and therefore never being able to personally contribute to their relationship to their relationship with Krsna, in their own unique way, by always thinking for themselves of the many different ways to please and voluntarily serve Krsna.

The jiva-souls can never lose their free will in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana, which is the individual ability of self expression by offering their own personal contributions to Krsna that is "unique" to each individual jiva-soul.

Only by having free will does the jiva-souls have that unique personality and individual character, otherwise the jiva-souls are no better than dead mindless stone.

Free will allows genuine loving exchanges and reciprocation to take place, and as said above, without free will the jiva-souls are no better than dead stone Prabhupada has warned us.

Furthermore, Krsna never interferes with the free will of the jiva-souls because if He did by never allowing free will, would only mean loving exchanges of voluntarily reciprocation with Krsna could never exist!

If one is forced to worship Krsna or Visnu then that is not love, it is tyranny, bullying and slavery.

This "impersonal" version of Krsna's abode of Goloka Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha planets explained above, where jiva-souls are forced to surrender their free will and allow a bogus version of "God" to take over their every actions and thoughts, is mayavadi impersonalism as said above.

Therefore, to deny the jiva-souls having their own unique individual "freedom of expression" (free will) and unique personality and character by forcing them to only allow their so called God to control all their thinking and actions in the name of "surrender," is dangerous impersonalism.

Having genuine free will allows the jiva-souls to be themselves, an independent unique individual contributing PERSON who can always voluntarily choose their own personal relationship Krsna. Otherwise Krsna would only be surrounded by "mindless drones!"

Voluntary service is the bases and real meaning of genuine "surrender" in Goloka Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha planets, which are the permanent eternal homes and origin for all marginal living entities (jiva-souls).

The jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana are forever voluntarily expanding the expression of their unique individuality with an increasing variety of personal devotional offerings based on free will, it is never a nonsense one-sided master/slave mindless relationship with Krsna as explained above.

Krsna does not control the "surrendered" jiva-souls by force like a puppet master controls every movement of his puppets with the manipulations of strings, denying self expression, individual contributions and voluntary service.

However, Krsna does control His pure devotees with loving affection based on "reciprocal loving exchanges." This is because the jiva-souls in their original awareness of genuine Krsna consciousness, will ONLY relate as a "contributing person" in a two-sided voluntary loving exchange with Krsna.

But there is always a choice in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.

Srila Prabhupada - "Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will if I can act only one sided? That means I have no free will. Because we can act wrongly, that means we have free will." (Discussions with Srila Prabhupada and Rene Descartes)

The "eternal marginal living entities" (jiva-souls) never lose their "free will" in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan because both are eternal as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains regarding the jiva-soul-

The jiva-souls have existed for "infinity" which means they are beginningless and endless, they were NEVER created as Bhagavad Gita As It Is says above.

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)

It is important to understand that free will has nothing to do with the "material body," free will is a symptom of the eternal spirtual jiva-souls and like the jiva-souls, free will is NOT a material quality or energy and only becomes contaminated in the material world.

In fact, in the material creation, free will is greatly restricted and only available to the rare human species but even limited there in humans too.

In all, the 8 million other species of life have no free will, there is only the urges of material nature which are

eating,

sleeping,

mating,

defending.

Free will is the constitutional makeup of the jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana where nothing material exists, there is no Maya in the "Spiritual worlds," but there is always free will.

Many foolish scholars, academics and religious leaders cannot understand this fact, that due to "free will" the jiva-souls can leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana anytime they choose and can fall down again and again regardless of Krsna's promise that once back in the Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana they will never again fall down.

No, they can again fall down if they choose by even rejecting Krsna's promise of never falling down from Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.

However, although most jiva-souls, over 90% never make that choice to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, they can if they want to Prabhupada explains here-

Syamasundara - "Can we predict that returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however, some do come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time."

Syamasundara - "And some come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."

Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna?’ I immediately fall down. That is natural. A servant is serving the master, but sometimes he may think that, "If I could become the master." They are thinking like that; they are trying to become God. That is delusion. You cannot become God. That is not possible. But he’s wrongly thinking he can."

Vipina Purandara - "Why doesn’t Krsna protect us from that desire?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He’s protecting. He says, "You rascal, don’t desire. Surrender unto Me." But you are rascal; you do not do this."

Vipina Purandara - "Why doesn’t Krsna save me from thinking like that?"

Srila Prabhupada - "That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

By misusing one's free will causes the jiva-soul to entering the material creation, this choice has nothing to do with maya or material energy as explained above.

As Prabhupada has explained, it is one's "free will" that allows the jiva-souls to reject Krsna. This is because Krsna has allowed each jiva-soul to be an independent individual person who can make their own choices, that includes even rejecting Krsna if they want, that instantly places them in the material creation.

Paramahamsa - "But ultimately if we come to Krsna, there’s no return."

Srila Prabhupada - "There is return, that is voluntary, returning there is possible if one desires."

Paramahamsa - "If we want?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes."

Paramahamsa - "So we can come to the spiritual world and return?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes."

Paramahamsa - "Fall down?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, as soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice, Yes," Krsna says, "yes, you go and enjoy this material world. Otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Krsna is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this, it is free will.

Just like one goes to the prison house, not that government welcomes, "Come on. We have got prison house. Come here, come here." He goes out of his free will; again comes out, again goes. Like that."

Paramahamsa - "So because of our desire to enjoy, we achieve these material bodies; and our desire to achieve Krsna brings us to our natural position."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes." (May 13, 1973, Los Angeles).^^^.