Thursday, November 23, 2023

There was no beginning to the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) existence, nor will there be an end as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains.

The jiva-souls are eternal spiritual living PERSONS and can never be destroyed, terminated or extinguished, the jiva-souls are indestructible.

Srila Prabhupada – “There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?” (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)

The individual jiva-souls always have "free will" on Visnu's Vaikuntha planets, and Krsna's central planet of Goloka-Vrindavan, as part and parcel of their spiritual constitutional identity, making them the eternal PERSONS they are for infinity. 

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 text 12, 1983 edition)     

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24, 1983 edition)

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are NOT complete in themselves unless they have their own unique independence (free will) to voluntarily choose to serve Krsna.

Therefore, without "free will or self expression," there can be no personal voluntary contributions or personal unique offerings to Krsna in a two-sided loving relationship.

Under these impersonal one-sided dictatorial conditions, the individual jiva-soul's existence would be no better than mindless drones devoid of self expression, personal voluntary contributions, is spiritual suicide.

All marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in the spiritual world are eternal servants by choice who make their own independent decisions while serving Krsna. This makes them the  unique contributing PERSON they are eternally, only then can an unlimited variety of intentional loving exchanges with Krsna be possible in a "two-way" reciprocation. 

Srila Prabhupada - "In the spiritual world service is voluntary. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there if they want to be a flower and lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, then he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to human body also. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is a reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)   

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take, and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation."(Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Krsna does not force His dominance over the jiva-souls in the spiritual world like a puppet master impersonally controls his puppets with strings.

Free will exists with the jiva-souls for the purpose of allowing self-expression and voluntary personal contributions in their relationship with Krsna, making the relationship a "two-sided" loving affair instead of a "one-way" dictatorship.

Loving exchanges, or forever expanding service to Krsna, can never be experienced with just one, there MUST be two, in a two-way exchange of personal feelings, expressions and offerings, otherwise the jiva-souls are no better than dead stone Prabhupada has warned us.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you MUST have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

The jiva-souls are expansions of Krsna but with minor independent qualities that allow them to express themselves with their own voluntary actions based on free will in their own way.

The jiva-souls are endowed with independence and an individual unique personality that enables them to experience their independent personality separate from Krsna's Divine Personality.

No two jiva-souls are the same, each have their own unique personality and character independent from Krsna's Personality. 

Krsna allows this freedom (free will) among the jiva-souls because Krsna wants to experience loving exchanges between Himself and the jiva-souls, between two, to experience the jiva-soul's individual contributions, self expression and personal inputs, too.

This, however, does not mean all jiva-souls are fully independent from Krsna's control; that is not possible. At all times, the jiva-souls are always dependent on Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes and His energies, even while experiencing their little independence. 

So, the jiva-souls are always independent individual living entities yet simultaneously depend on Krsna and His Visnu expansions in both the spiritual world and material world at all times.

Even though the jiva-soul is an expansion of Krsna, the jiva-souls are NOT one with Krsna's Personality because they have their own independence and individuality.

Each jiva-soul has their unique personality separate from Krsna's Personality eternally. 

The jiva-souls are eternal spiritual living PERSONS and can never be destroyed, terminated or extinguished, the jiva-souls are indestructible.

The jiva-souls can NEVER become one with Krsna (God) they can only become Godly or great selfless devotees of the Lord.^^^.











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