Tuesday, February 8, 2022

Originally, all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are nitya-siddha (eternally liberated) because their original home is Goloka Vrindavana or Vaikuntha.

Krsna never interferes with the jiva-soul's free will, even when they choose to reject Him.

Srila Prabhupada - "There are two kinds of marginal living entities, nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha because of the spiritual world and material worlds. However, the actual constitutional position of every marginal living entity (jiva-soul) is nitya-siddha. By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, the jiva-soul can become again nitya-siddha. So, the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas again nitya-siddha." (New York Lecture on Caitanya Caritamrta, July 13, 1976)

Nitya-siddha is when the marginal living entity (jiva-soul) is in their natural pure spiritual bodily state, eternally liberated in Goloka Vrndavana or Vaikuntha with Krsna or Visnu.

The nitya-baddha condition is when the jiva-souls are in an unnatural impure state of reality eternally conditioned in the material creation selfishly serving one's own interests unaware of their permanently original position of being nitya-siddha.

This means all the living entities in the category of marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are originally nitya-siddha and fully Krsna conscious. 

Nitya-siddha means fully Krsna conscious in one's original position as Krsna's eternal servant. 

The jiva-souls can never become God (Visnu-tattva).

The marginal living entity or jiva-souls can choose to be either nitya-siddha, that means eternally liberated, or nitya-baddha, which means eternally conditioned. 

The nitya siddha spiritual bodily form in Goloka-Vrndavana or Vaikuntha is the original position and home of the marginal living entities within the eternal presence of Goloka Vrindavana and Vaikuntha.

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence; that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is a chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is "free will" then? If I act only one-sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada -"Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing; it is bad, but still, he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Excerpt from: Philosophy Discussions with Srila Prabhupada – Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada - ''As soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice," "Yes," Kṛṣṇa says, "yes, you can go." Otherwise, what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Kṛṣṇa is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this." It is free will." (Morning Walk Cheviot Hills May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago." (Lecture on Bhagavad-gita on August 6, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - ''These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha." (Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "Your question about one's relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa, 4/25/1970)

Srila Prabhupada - ''When the superior energy is in contact with inferior energy, it becomes an incompatible situation. But, when the supreme marginal potency is in contact with the spiritual potency, Harā, it becomes the happy, normal condition of the living entity." (The Happening Record Album, New York City USA 1966)

Srila Prabhupada – "Where are the spirit souls coming from, these spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities." (Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense, everyone comes from Krsnaloka (Goloka-Vrindavana). When one forgets Krsna, he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna, he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas again nitya-siddha, it is a difficult task." (London lecture on Bhagavad-Gita 13-14, July 14, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "There are three kinds of liberated persons; they are called- 

1) sadhan siddha, 

2) kripa siddha, 

3) nitya siddha. 

When one is actually on the siddha platform, there is no such distinction as to who is sadhan, kripa, or nitya siddha. 

When one is siddha, there is no distinction what is what. Just like when the river water glides down to the Atlantic ocean, nobody can distinguish which portion was the Hudson River or some other river." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "Nitya baddhas are within this material world. Beginning from Brahma down to a small ant, insignificant ant, they are all nitya-baddha. Anyone who is in this material world they are nitya-baddha." (Lecture on Bhagavad-Gita 13-14, July 14, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "However, the actual constitutional position of every marginal living entity is nitya-siddha. By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can become again nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas again nitya-siddha." (New York Lecture on Caitanya-Caritamrta, July 13, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "Actually, every living entity is eternally uncontaminated, although he may be in the material touch. This is the version of the Vedas. Asanga ayam purusha-the living entity is uncontaminated. Just like when there is a drop of oil in water, you can immediately distinguish the oil from the water, and the water never mixes with the oil. Similarly, a living entity, although in material contact, is always distinct from the matter." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "Actually, we are not fallen. We cannot be fallen. But, we have simply created a situation. We have not created a situation. Krsna has given us a situation. Because we wanted to imitate Krsna, so Krsna has given an opportunity: ‘All right. Imitate’. So this situation, our contact with matter, is just like dream. Actually, we are not fallen. Therefore, because we are not fallen, at any moment we can revive our Krsna consciousness. . . we can break this material connection at any moment as soon as we come to the point of Krsna conscious. We can simply give up that illusory condition at any moment. At any moment. This is the position. We are not fallen. We are thinking fallen. So we have to give up this nonsense thinking. Then we are liberated." (Bhagavatam lecture in Tokyo, April 20, 1972)

Srila Prabhupada - "Eternally conditioned means we do not know when we have been conditioned like this. It is not possible to trace out the history, many, many, many Brahma’s lives are happening, not only one." (Lecture in New York City, January 9, 1967)

Srila Prabhupada - "There is history, but that is not possible to trace out. Therefore, it is said anadi . . . Anadi means the creation. Creation before creation I contaminated this desire." (Bhagavatam lecture in Bombay, January 1, 1975) 

Srila Prabhupada - "It is impossible to trace out our history. Vaisnava poets say, therefore, anadi karma-phale, which means that these actions and reactions of one’s activity cannot be traced, for they may even continue from the last millennium of Brahma’s birth to the next millenium."(Bhagavatam lecture on verse 44 of Canto Three, Chapter thirty-one Aug 1974).

Devotee - "In the spiritual sky, when the living entity is in his pure state of consciousness, does something act upon him to make him illusioned at that point, also?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes. Just like Jaya-Vijaya. They committed offense, there is possibility even if you are in Vaikuntha, you will fall down, what to speak of this material world." (Bhagavad Gita lecture of July 4, 1974)

It is not Maya and her material energy causing the jiva-souls to leave or fall down from Vaikuntha because there is no material nature (Maya) in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana that forces the jiva-soul to leave Krsna, Maya's temptation and material energy do not exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana however, free will does exist there.

Srila Prabhupada - ''The next question about the living entities falling down in this material world are not from the impersonal brahman. Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence they are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness. So long one can maintain pure Krsna consciousness; he does not fallen down. As soon as he becomes out of Krsna consciousness, immediately he is fallen down." (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "As living spiritual souls, we are all originally Krsna conscious entities, but due to our association with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness has now become polluted by the material atmosphere." (Original Hare Krsna "Happening record album" New York December 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna?’ I immediately fall down." (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Srila Prabhupada – ''Regarding your questions about how and from where the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa, 4/25/1970)

Srila Prabhupada – "Where are the spirit souls coming from, these spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities." (Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force. Therefore, Krsna says, yathecchasi tathä kuru. "Now you do whatever you like." (Bhagavad Gita as it is. lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense everyone comes from Krsnaloka (Goloka-Vrindavana). When one forgets Krsna he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "We cannot say therefore that we are not with Krsna. As soon as we try to become Lord, immediately Maya covers us. Formerly, we were with Krsna in His lila or sport. But this covering of Maya may be of very, very, very, very long duration; therefore, many creations are coming and going." (Letter to Madhudvisa Swami June 1972 Australia)

Acyutananda - ''But in the Bhagavad Gita it says, "Once coming ftom there, he never returns to the material creation."

Srila Prabhupada - ''But if he likes, he can return."

Acyutananda - ''He can return?''

Srila Prabhupada - ''That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that. Krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown."(Morning Walk, February 19, 1976, Mayapur)

Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krsna give us free will if He knew we could fall down in the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will. But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France).

Syamasundara - "Can we predict that returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however, some do come back?''

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time." 

Syamasundara - "And some come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes. Otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."

Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence, he can fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is not to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again." (Discussions with Syamasundara > Henri Bergson)

In Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges are always encouraged by Krsna in His relationship with the jiva-souls. This adds flavour, variety and mystery to their association with the Lord.

This means the Kingdom of God (Goloka-Vrindavana and Vaikuntha) are not a one-sided dominating impersonal domain devoid of free will or voluntary service.

Denying free will does not allow or encourage voluntary personal contributions (offerings) expressed in a two-way exchange, that can only expand, enrich and flavour one's eternal relationship with Krsna (God).

Loving service to Krsna and exchanges with Him cannot exist if there is only a one-sided affiliate of total supremacy or preeminence. 

The fact is genuine loving relations and service are based on free will which includes loving exhanges between two, and is never a one-sided dominating affair!

Free will only has meaning when the jiva-souls can express themselves in a two-sided relationship with Krsna or even reject Him if they choose.

Unless the jiva-souls can make their own choice to do these things, then there is no question of having free will.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities is a two-arm form like Krsna's Body.

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first]: Yes. They are more covered. Just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world. There that is voluntary. Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (Srimad Bhagavatam 6.1.1-4 - Melbourne, May 20, 1975)

Lord Balarama expands as Maha-Visnu. 

Srila Prabhupada - "Balarāma, the first expansion of Kṛṣṇa, expands Himself in five forms: 

(1) Mahā-saṅkarṣaṇa, 

(2) Kāraṇodakaśāyī, 

(3) Garbhodakaśāyī, 

(4) Kṣīrodakaśāyī, 

(5) Śeṣa. 

These five plenary portions are responsible for both the spiritual and material cosmic manifestations. 

In these five forms, Lord Balarāma assists Lord Kṛṣṇa in His activities. 

The first four of these forms are responsible for the cosmic manifestations, whereas Śeṣa is responsible for personal service to the Lord. 

Śeṣa is called Ananta, or unlimited, because He assists the Personality of Godhead in His unlimited expansions by performing an unlimited variety of services. 

Śrī Balarāma is the servitor Godhead who serves Lord Kṛṣṇa in all affairs of existence and knowledge. 

Lord Nityānanda Prabhu, who is the same servitor Godhead, Balarāma, performs the same service to Lord Gaurāṅga by constant association." (CC Adi 5.10, Translation and Purport).^





Being an "inactive" (dormant) so-called spiritual spark in the Brahmajyoti, is a fallen unnatural condition of the jiva-soul, who in their full potential are a spiritual bodily PERSON fully active form like Krsna in the spiritual world, their natural original home.

Krsna's effulgence is known as the dormant (impersonal) Brahmajyoti made up of a collective of "inactive" (dormant) individual jiva-souls appearing there as spiritual sparks in their "fallen conditional state."

As said above, appearing in that "fallen condition" as a spiritual spark is the unnatural condition of the jiva-soul, who in their full potential IS a PERSON as a spiritual bodily form eternally made of-

Sat,

Cit,

Ananda,

Vigraha.

Which means,

Eternity,

Knowledge,

Bliss,

Bodily form.

The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls), is a "two-arm form" like Krsna's Body.

Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul is NOT formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture on BG 2.14 - Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee - "What is the form of the spiritual body. If the spirit soul is non-material, what is the form?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul always has got form, and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG 2.14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

As said above, the full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities is a two-arm spiritual bodily form like Krsna's Body.

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first]: Yes. They are more covered. Just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is voluntary, some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB Canto 6.1.1-4 - Melbourne, May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupāda - "The whole cosmic manifestation is Kṛṣṇa but it appears it is different from Kṛṣṇa. Idaṁ hi viśvaṁ bhagavān ivetaraḥ. This is acintya-bhedābheda (Simultaneously one and different). Unless we accept this thesis or philosophy expounded by Lord Caitanya - inconceivable one and different... Inconceivable. Meaning for us it is inconceivable, you cannot have any clear distinction. 

Therefore, take it as inconceivable, acintya. But from theoretical or by logical conclusion, everything is one - Kṛṣṇa, that's all. And another example is that the finger is myself, but I am not finger. This is the position. The hair I am. I am the hair, but I am not hair, at the same time. This is like that. This is called acintya-bhedābheda, inconceivable."

Revatīnandana - "A related question also: just like there is at the same time the oneness is there, there is distinction, then, between the spirit."

Srila Prabhupāda - "That distinction you cannot make clear."

Revatīnandana - "I know, but still it's not clear, but clear, there is some distinction, where a distinction?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Distinction, there is distinction, there is no distinction."

Revatīnandana - "Yes, simultaneously."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Simultaneous, now, which one will we accept? Therefore inconceivable."

Śyāmasundara - "You can't accept one or the other; you have to accept them both."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes."

Revatīnandana - "Everything is related in Kṛṣṇa."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes."

Revatīnandana - "Yes, but there's also, amongst the related things. There are related things because there is also diversity amongst them."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Must be."

Revatīnandana - "That's right. In preaching, in the movement, that there is no diversity between the jīva-souls who are living."

Srila Prabhupāda - "But there is diversity, why not?"

Revatīnandana - "And the brahmajyoti, they are saying."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Brahmajyoti is combination of jīva-souls, and the brahmajyoti is emanation from Kṛṣṇa. Brahmajyoti is coming from Kṛṣṇa. This is a function. Heat is coming constantly, incessantly, from the fire. But still, heat is not fire. You cannot say heat is fire. Fire is far away."

Revatīnandana - "That's right. So the constitutional nature of the entities that naturally form brahmajyoti is the same as the constitutional nature of the jīvā-souls that are the living entities?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, it is comparison, a small spiritual spark, that's all. We are spark so long it does not develop a spiritual bodily form that body is also the same. So it remains as spiritual spark but because it is spirit, it can not remain in that impersonal fallen stage. He wants to enjoy. So, so long he has forgotten, he develops a body which is called matter."

Śyāmasundara - "Or else he develops a spiritual body? One or the other?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "No, he is already a spirit, a spiritual identity already. But as we are developing material body, similarly we can develop spiritual body."

Revatīnandana - "You very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered fallen, does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and I go to the brahmajyoti I'm still fallen."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana - "That means all jīva-souls there are also fallen souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana - "That follows?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "That is explained in the Bhagavad gītā. Vibhinnāṁśa. Separated parts. Separated parts, vibhinnāṁśa. You can call it fallen."

Revatīnandana - "But we usually think of fallen as being forgetful."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, this is also forgetfulness. In the brahmajyoti you are forgetful still, that is stated in the śāstra, anādhṛta yuṣmad anghrayaḥ. Anādhṛta. They do not know how to adore the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa. That is forgetfulness."

Śyāmasundara - "So they become separated."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes." (Room Conversation, Aug 17, 1971, London)

Srila Prabhupada - "The next question, about the living entities falling down in this material world are not from the impersonal brahman. Existence in the impersonal brahma is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness and a fallen condition. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. 

When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness. So long one can maintain pure Krsna consciousness he is not fallen down. 

As soon as he becomes out of Krsna consciousness immediately he is fallen down. It does not matter where a living entity stays. In the material world also there are different stages of living conditions, and to remain in the brahman effulgence is also another phase of that fallen condition. 

Just like in the Bhagavad-gita it is stated that conditioned souls by their pious activities are elevated to the higher planetary system, but as soon as the stock of pious activities is finished he again comes down on the earthly planet. 

Similarly those who are elevated beyond the planetary system to the brahma effulgence, they are also prone to fall down as much as a living entity from the higher planetary system.

As such those who are thinking that they are liberated by being situated in brahman effulgence are described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam as impurely intelligent. 

In other words, they are actually not liberated, and because they are not actually liberated they again come down to the material world as much as a living entity elevated to the higher planetary system comes down to this earthly planet. 

So we do not accept anyone elevated to the brahman effulgence as actually liberated." (letter to  Revatinandana dasa, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Dr. John Mize – "Did all the jiva-souls that were in the spiritual sky (the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavan) fall out of the spiritual sky at once or at different times, or are there any jiva-souls that are always good, they’re not foolish, they don’t fall down?"

Srila Prabhupada – "No, there are majority, 90%, they are always good. They never fall down."

Dr. John Mize – "So we’re among the 10%."

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, or less than that. In the material, whole material world all the living entities they are… Just like in the prison house, there is some population, but they are not majority. The majority of the population, they are outside the prison house. Similarly, majority of living being, part and parcel of God, they are in the spiritual world. Only a few fall down."

Dr. John Mize – "Does Krsna know ahead of time that a jiva-soul is going to be foolish and fall?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Krsna? Yes, Krsna may know because He is omniscient."

Dr. John Mize – "Are more jiva-souls falling all the time?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Not all the time. But there is the tendency of fall down, not for all, but because there is independence. Everyone is not liking to misuse the independence. The same example, just like a government constructing a city and constructs also prison house because the government knows that somebody will be criminal. So their shelter must be also constructed. It is very easy to understand. Not that cent percent population will be criminal, but government knows that some of them will be. Otherwise why they construct prison house also? One may say, "Where is the criminal? You are constructing." Government knows, there will be criminal. So if the ordinary government can know, why God cannot know? Because there is tendency."

Dr. John Mize – "The origin of that tendency (to fall from Goloka) is?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes."

Dr. John Mize – "From where does that tendency come?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Tendency means the independence. So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force. Therefore Krsna says,yathecchasi tathä kuru. “Now you do whatever you like." (BG, As It Is. lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Swedish man - "Is there free will?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, just like you are sitting here. If you don’t like, you can go away. That’s your free will. There is free will, we are part and parcel of God, therefore we have got minute quantity of freedom." (Temple lecture Stockholm Sweden 1974)

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada -"Yes, but that is "free will". He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Excerpt from: Philosophy Discussions Srila Prabhupada about Rene Descartes)

Bali Mardana - "An example of free will is someone can choose Kṛṣṇa or turn away? Is that an example of free will?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, because if you accept Kṛṣṇa, then you must follow what Kṛṣṇa says. If you don't follow Kṛṣṇa, then what is the use of talking of Kṛṣṇa? If he accepts Kṛṣṇa, he must abide by the injunction of Kṛṣṇa." (Morning Walk, Jan 22, 1974, Hawaii)

Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada explains "free will," and why the jiva-souls always have their free will, but only fully realized and acted upon in Goloka-Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha planets and NOT the material world.

Having free will in the spiritual world is necessary for the jiva-souls, so they can voluntarily express themselves in the unique service of their choice to Krsna in a "two-sided" relationship of loving exchanges, cooperation and reciprocation.

Srila Prabhupāda – "Unless there are "two-persons," where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means two. There MUST be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. Therefore love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, there MUST be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, so there must be lover, there must be beloved. We must understand that love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No, it is not good, that is NOT love, that is exploitation and forced obedience. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Srila Prabhupada quotes 1966 - 1974, Vaniquotes)

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness. So how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There MUST be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (Lecture on SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

The meaning of "marginal" energy

The individual jiva-souls are collectively known as Krsna's “marginal energy.” 

This marginal energy or potency is NOT some place in the Spiritual Sky where the jiva-souls have originated from, no, the marginal potency or realm, who ARE the jiva-souls, have NO origin.

The individual jiva-souls ARE everywhere in both the spiritual and material worlds and always have existed without having any origin nor will they ever cease to be.

The word "marginal" simply means the jiva-souls are under the influence (by choice) of either the spiritual energy, or the material energy.  

Marginal means the "jiva-souls" are in-between the the spiritual energy and the material energy. 

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls), who are spiritual beings by nature, are "in-between" the influence of matter and spirit (allowing themselves to be influenced by either the spiritual energy, or the material energy), this is why they are called "marginal" which means in-between. 

So, clearly the marginal potency is NOT a place where jiva-souls come from, the marginal potency ARE the individual jiva-souls who were never created and have no origin, nor will they ever cease to be as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains.

Many have misunderstood these facts about what "marginal" really means. It is NOT some place in outer space jiva-souls are generated or originate from because they have no origin. 

Being “generated” from the marginal plane does NOT mean the jiva-souls “originated” from some "so called place" in the Brahmajyoti, Spiritual Sky, the Body of Maha-Visnu or tatastha-sakti and the impersonal brahmajyoti (all fallen conditions of the jiva-soul) that foolish religious cults claim.

As clearly explained, being "marginal" means in-between the influences of spirit and matter, and include the jiva-souls having free will to choose this side or that side.

Which means having the choice to choose the spiritual side (the jiva-souls nature position and full potential) or the material side (unnatural conditioned state) 

So, the real meaning of "marginal" is the jiva-souls can choose to be with the spiritual energy, or the material energy, based on their free will.

There is no origin to the individual jiva-souls, they are eternally parts and parcel of Krsna and just as old as Krsna - beginningless.

Srila Prabhupada – “The jiva-souls are Krsna's marginal energy. Marginal energy means we can live either in this external energy or in the internal energy, in between. So at the present moment we are living in the external energy. But this external energy is also Kṛṣṇa's energies, God's energy. It is not different from Him. But the external energy means we are captivated by the external energy. But the external energy is not permanent. The internal energy is permanent. The spiritual world is permanent, and the jiva-souls are also permanent as Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 20 (1983 edition) reveals.” (Lecture on BG 9.4 - Melb, Australia April 23, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada – “The jiva-souls are Krsna’s marginal energy. Marginal energy means the jiva-souls may be under the control of the spiritual energy, or they may be under the control of material energy. But when the jiva-souls are under the control of the material energy, that is their precarious condition, struggle for existence. And when they are under spiritual energy, that is their original position and life of freedom.” (Los Angeles, Nov 23, 1968)

Srila Prabhupada - "Regarding your question about our relationship with Srimati Radharani, She is the internal energy, we are marginal energy. Marginal means sometimes internal, sometimes external. When we are under the internal energy, that is our normal life, and when we are under the external energy, that is our abnormal life. Therefore, we are called marginal energy; we can be either this way or that way. But being qualitatively one with the purusa, our tendency is to remain in the internal energy. Being in the external energy is our artificial attempt." (Letter to Lilavati - Allston, Mass 25 April, 1969)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 20 explains the jiva-souls have existed for “infinity”

This means, just like Krsna, they are beginning less and endless, and were NEVER created-

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.” (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 12 also confirms the jiva-souls were NEVER created.

This is because they have no origin and have existed for infinity like Krsna has, as Krsna explains-

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG 2.12)

Srila Prabhupada – “There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?” (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)

There is no origin to Krsna's marginal energy (an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls), who have existed for as long as Krsna has existed which is eternity. 

Therefore, jiva-souls do NOT originate from the so called marginal plane if one thinks it is some place.  

The "jiva-souls," who naturally belong in the spiritual energy (Goloka-Vrindavana) as individual spiritual PERSONS with Krsna, are called "marginal living entities" because they are influenced by either the spiritual energy or the material energy explained as follows by Prabhupada.

Srila Prabhupada - "We (the jiva-souls) are marginal energy (jiva-souls) Marginal means sometimes internal, sometimes external. When we are under the internal energy, that is our normal life, and when we are under the external energy, that is our abnormal life. Therefore, we are called marginal energy (jiva-souls); we can be either this way or that way. But being qualitatively one with the purusa, our tendency is to remain in the internal energy. Being in the external energy is our artificial attempt." (Letter to Lilavati, Allston, Mass 25 April, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "The material energy, called as Maya, is also one of the multipotencies of the Lord, as much as we (the jiva-souls) are also marginal potency of the Lord. The living entities (jiva-souls) are described as superior energy than matter, when the superior energy is in contact with inferior energy, it becomes an incompatible situation. But when the supreme marginal potency (jiva-souls) are in contact with the spiritual potency, Hara, it becomes the happy, normal condition of the living entity." (The Happening Album, New York City, Dec 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "You are also energy; you are marginal energy (jiva-soul). Marginal energy means you (the jiva-souls) may be under the control of the spiritual energy or you may be under the control of material energy—your marginal position. But when you are under the control of the material energy, that is your precarious condition, struggle for existence. And when you are under spiritual energy, that is your life of freedom." (Intro BG, As It Is, Los Angeles, Nov 23, 1968)

Of course in the material creation there is almost no free will while trapped in the species of material life, there is only the instinct of- 

eating, 

sleeping, 

mating, 

defending.

The human species are also directed by karmic reactions (the reactions to their pious and impious actions) because in the human material bodily form the living entities are responsible for their actions good or bad.

Real freedom or free will only fully exists in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.

Understanding free will and one's eternal individual right to make their own choices and contributions in the spiritual world, is the constitutional make up of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls).*^*.





Sunday, February 6, 2022

Lord Krsna is the original Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, including the unlimited number of all Visnu/Narayana forms of God.

Krsna always has four more qualities than His Visnu/Narayana (Visnu-tattva) expansions. 

This includes the three Visnu's that manage the material temporary creation. 

1 - Kāraṇodakaśāyī Visnu is known as Mahā-Visnu and creates all the massive Brahmanda universes that appear from the pores of His skin and breathing. 

2 - Garbhodakaśāyī Visnu is an expansion of Maha-Visnu who creates a secondary universe deep inside each Brahmanda universe. From Garbhodaksayi Visnu Brahma appears and builds the many planetary systems His universe surrounded by the Brahmanda universe.

3 - Ksirodakaśāyī Visnu (Paramātmā) who is in the hearts of all material vessels next to each of the individual jiva-souls who are the passengers in all 8 million 400 thousand species of life in the material creation.

There are unlimited Garbhodakashayi Visnus and Ksirodakaśāyī Visnus appearing in each of the billions of universes, but their is only one Maha-Visnu for the entire material creation (25% of the spiritual sky).

All of Krsna’s Visnu-tattva expansions can partially exhibit Krsna's 4 unique qualities but generally they have only 60 of Krsna's 64 qualities.

Those four unique qualities Krsna ALWAYS has in full are-

(1) He is the performer of wonderful varieties of pastimes (especially His childhood pastimes),

(2) He is surrounded by devotees endowed with wonderful love of Godhead,

(3) He can attract all living entities all over the universes by playing on His flute,

(4) He has a wonderful excellence of beauty which cannot be rivaled anywhere in the creation.

Srila Rupa Gosvami, after consulting various scriptures, gives us the 64 qualities of the Krsna as follows-

(1) beautiful features of the entire body,

(2) marked with all auspicious characteristics;

(3) extremely pleasing,

(4) effulgent;

(5) strong;

(6) ever-youthful;

(7) wonderful linguist;

(8) truthful;

(9) talks pleasingly;

(10) fluent;

(11) highly learned,

(12) highly intelligent;

(13) a genius;

(14) artistic;

(15) extremely clever;

(16) expert;

(17) grateful;

(18) firmly determined;

(19) an expert judge of time and circumstances;

(20) sees and speaks on the authority of Vedas, or scriptures;

(21) pure;

(22) self-controlled;

(23) steadfast;

(24) forbearing;

(25) forgiving;

(26) grave;

(27) self-satisfied;

(28) possessing equilibrium;

(29) magnanimous;

(30) religious,

(3l) heroic;

(32) compassionate,

(33) respectful,

(34) gentle;

(35) liberal;

(36) shy;

(37) the protector of surrendered souls;

(38) happy;

(39) the well-wisher of devotees;

(40) controlled by love;

(4l) all-auspicious;

(42) most powerful,

(43) all-famous,

(44) popular,

(45) partial to devotees,

(46) very attractive to all women;

(47) all-worshipable;

(48) all-opulent;

(49) all-honorable;

(50) the supreme controller.

The Supreme Personality of Godhead Krsna has all these fifty transcendental qualities in their fullness, the extent of His qualities are inconceivable.

As parts and parcels of the Supreme Lord, the individual living entities (,jiva-souls) can also possess all of these qualities in minute quantities, provided they become pure devotees of the Lord.

In other words, all of the above transcendental qualities can be present in the jiva-tattva souls in minute quantity, whereas the qualities in fullness are always present in the Supreme Personality of Godhead Krsna.

Besides the above 50 attributes, there are other transcendental qualities which are described by Lord Siva to Parvati in the Padma Purana.

And in the First Canto of Srimad-Bhagavatam in connection with a conversation between the deity of the earth and the King of religion, Yamaraja.

It is said therein -

Persons who are desirous of becoming great personalities must be decorated with the following 39 qualities -

1- truthfulness,

2- cleanliness,

3- mercy,

4- perseverance,

5- renunciation,

6- peacefulness,

7- simplicity,

8- control of the senses,

9- equilibrium of the mind,

10- austerity,

11- equality,

12- forbearance,

13- placidity,

14- learning,

15- knowledge,

16- detachment,

17- opulence,

18- chivalry,

19- influence,

20- strength,

21- memory,

22- independence,

23- tactfulness,

24- luster,

25- patience,

26- kindheartedness,

27- ingenuity,

28- gentility,

29- mannerliness,

30- determination,

31- perfection in all,

32- knowledge,

33- proper execution,

34- possession of all objects of enjoyment,

35- gravity,

36- steadiness,

37- faithfulness,

38- fame,

39- respectfulness and lack of false egotism.

Persons who are desiring to become great souls cannot be without any of the above qualities, so we can know for certain that these qualities are found in Lord Krsna, the supreme soul.

Besides all of the above list of fifty qualities mentioned, Lord Krsna possesses five more, which are sometimes partially manifested in the persons of Lord Brahma or Lord Siva.

These transcendental qualities are as follows -

(51) changeless;

(52) all-cognizant;

(53) ever-fresh;

(54) sat-cid-ananda-vigraha as an eternal spiritual bodily Form.  

(55) possessing all mystic perfections.

Krsna also possesses five other qualities, which are manifest in the body of Narayana (Visnu), and they are listed as follows -

(56) He has inconceivable potency,

(57) Uncountable universes generate from His body,

(58) He is the original source of all incarnations,

(59) He is the giver of salvation to the enemies whom He kills,

(60) He is the attractor of liberated souls.

All these transcendental qualities are manifest wonderfully in the personal feature of Lord Krsna.

Besides these sixty transcendental qualities, Krsna has four more, which are not manifest even in the Narayana (Visnu) form of Godhead, what to speak of the demigods or living entities.

They are as follows -

(61) He is the performer of wonderful varieties of pastimes (especially His childhood pastimes),

(62) He is surrounded by devotees endowed with wonderful love of Godhead,

(63) He can attract all living entities all over the universes by playing on His flute,

(64) He has a wonderful excellence of beauty which cannot be rivaled anywhere in the creation.

Adding to the list these four exceptional qualities of Krsna, it is to be understood that the aggregate number of qualities of Krsna is sixty-four.

Srila Rupa Gosvami has attempted to give evidences from various scriptures about all sixty-four qualities present in the person of the Supreme Lord.” (From NOD, Ch 21)

Lord Krsna and Lord Caitanya come ONLY "once" to this material universe every 8 billion 640 million human years.

Lord Kṛṣṇa at the end of Dvāpara-yuga and Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, the Golden Avatara, came in this age of Kali-yuga 537 years ago (1486)

However, Lord Caitanya does NOT appear in every Kali-yuga, He only appears in ONE Kali-yuga out of every thousand.

Just like Lord Krsna in His original form, also only appears in ONE Dvāpara-yuga out of every thousand.

Lord Krsna appears in the Dvāpara-yuga just before the Kali-yuga Lord Caitanya appears in.

This means both Lord Krsna and Lord Caitanya come ONLY "once" every 8 billion 640 million human years, which is a "day/night" 24 hour period of Lord Brahma's time.

Srila Prabhupada – "Lord Kṛṣṇa and Lord Caitanya appear "once" in each day of Brahmā.’’ (CC, Adi 3.10 Text 10 Purport)

Srila Prabhupada –"At the end of the Dvāpara-yuga of the twenty-eighth Maha-yuga (during the 7th Manu known as Vaivasvata Manu), Lord Kṛṣṇa appears on earth with the full paraphernalia of His eternal Vraja-dhāma." (CC, Adi 3.10 Text 10)

Therefore during the 28th Maha-yuga of the Vaivasvata Manu (the 7th Manu of 14), Lord Kṛṣṇa first appears at the close of the Dvāpara-yuga and then Lord Caitanya appears in the Kali-yuga of the same Maha yuga.

Lord Kṛṣṇa and Lord Caitanya appear only once in a day of Brahmā during the 7th Manu out of the fourteen, called Vaivasvata Manu.

First Lord Kṛṣṇa appears at the close of the Dvāpara-yuga of the twenty-eighth Maha-yuga in the Vaivasvata Manu (the 7th Manu), and then Lord Caitanya appears in the Kali-yuga of the same Maha yuga in Vaivasvata Manu.

Devotee - "Śrīla Prabhupāda, does Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu also appear every day of Brahma?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, following Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa comes in the Dvāpara-yuga. There are four periods of each yuga: Satva, Tretā, Dvāpara, Kali. So Kṛṣṇa comes at the end of Dvāpara-yuga, and Caitanya Mahāprabhu comes in the Kali-yuga." (Lecture SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 Text 3 - Melb, Australia May 22, 1975)

Our Kali-yuga is very rare because of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu's appearance.

Also Lord Krsna, as His original form, appears only in the Dvāpara-yuga just before the Kali-yuga Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu appears in.

Therefore Lord Krsna also does not appear as His original Vrindavana form in every Dvāpara-yuga, He only comes to one Dvāpara-yuga out of every thousand as said above.

Both Lord Krsna and Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu only come once in every day/night of Lord Brahma (between Sun-rise and Sun-set) when all the 1000 Maha-yugas are active.

There are no Maha-yugas during Brahma's night (from Sun-set to Sun-rise).

In our current kalpa (day-time hours of Brahma from Sun-rise to Sun-set) there are fourteen Manus, we are in the 7th Manu known as Vaivasvata Manu.

During Brahma's night-time period from sun-set to sun-rise, there are "no Maha-yugas".

Therefore during this inactive night-time period of Brahma (also called a Kalpa) he sleeps while a parcel annihilation goes on until the next Sun-rise begins, starting  with the first Maha-yuga out of one thousand, that all happen only during Brahma's day-time hours.  

Lord Brahma's 100 year life span in human years is 311 trillion and 40 billion years.*










Thursday, February 3, 2022

Krsna never interferes with the jiva-soul's free will, even if they choose to reject Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Excerpt from: Philosophy Discussions with Srila Prabhupada – Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada - ''As soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice, yes, "Kṛṣṇa says, "Yes, you can go." Otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Kṛṣṇa is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this." It is free will." (Morning Walk Cheviot Hills May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago." (Lecture on Bhagavad-gita on August 6, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - ''These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha." (Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "Your question about one's relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa Prabhu, 4/25/1970.)

Srila Prabhupada – "Where are the spirit souls coming from, these spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities." (Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense everyone comes from Krsnaloka. When one forgets Krsna he is conditioned, when one remembers Krsna he is liberated." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "Actually, we are not fallen. We cannot be fallen. But we have simply created a situation. We have not created a situation. Krsna has given us a situation. Because we wanted to imitate Krsna, so Krsna has given an opportunity, "All right. Imitate". So this situation, our contact with matter, is just like dream. Actually, we are not fallen. Therefore, because we are not fallen, at any moment we can revive our Krsna consciousness, we can break this material connection at any moment as soon as we come to the point of Krsna conscious. We can simply give up that illusory condition at any moment. At any moment. This is the position. We are not fallen. We are thinking fallen. So we have to give up this nonsense thinking. Then we are liberated."(Bhagavatam lecture in Tokyo, April 20, 1972)

Srila Prabhupada - "Eternally conditioned means we do not know when we have been conditioned like this. It is not possible to trace out the history, many, many Brahma’s lives are happening, not only one." (Lecture in New York City, January 9, 1967)

Srila Prabhupada - "There is history, but that is not possible to trace out. Therefore, it is said anadi. Anadi means: adi means the creation. Creation before creation I contaminated this desire." (Bhagavatam lecture in Bombay, January 1, 1975) 

Srila Prabhupada - "It is impossible to trace out our history. Vaishnava poets say, therefore, anadi karma-phale, which means that these actions and reactions of one’s activity cannot be traced, for they may even continue from the last millennium of Brahma’s birth to the next millenium."(Bhagavatam lecture on verse 44 of Canto Three, Chapter thirty-one 1974).

Devotee - "In the spiritual sky, when the living entity is in his pure state of consciousness, does something act upon him to make him illusioned at that point, also?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes. Just like Jaya-Vijaya. They committed offense", there is possibility even if you are in Vaikuntha, you will fall down, what to speak of this material world." (Bhagavad Gita lecture of July 4, 1974)

It is not Maya and her material energy causing the jiva-souls to leave or fall down from Vaikuntha because there is no material nature (Maya) in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana that forces the jiva-soul to leave Krsna, Maya's temptation and material energy do not exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana however,  free will does exist there.

Srila Prabhupada - ''The next question, about the living entities falling down in this material world are not from the impersonal brahman. Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness. So long one can maintain pure Krsna consciousness he is not fallen down. As soon as he becomes out of Krsna consciousness immediately he is fallen down." (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "As living spiritual souls we are all originally Krsna conscious entities, but due to our association with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness has now become polluted by the material atmosphere." (The Hare Krsna Happening Record Album, New York City December 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that "Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna?" I immediately fall down." (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Srila Prabhupada – ''Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa Prabhu, 4/25/1970.)

Srila Prabhupada – "Where are the spirit souls coming from, these spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities." (Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force. Therefore Krsna says, yathecchasi tathä kuru. "Now you do whatever you like." (Bhagavad Gita as it is. lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense everyone comes from Krsna Loka. When one forgets Krsna he is conditioned, when one remembers Krsna he is liberated." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "We cannot say therefore that we are not with Krsna. As soon as we try to become Lord, immediately Maya covers us. Formerly we were with Krsna in His lila or sport. But this covering of Maya may be of very, very, very, very long duration; therefore many creations are coming and going." (Letter to Madhudvisa Swami June 1972 Australia)

Acyutananda - ''But in the Bhagavad Gita it says, "Once coming ftom there, he never returns to the material creation."

Srila Prabhupada - ''But if he likes, he can return."

Acyutananda - ''He can return?''

Srila Prabhupada - ''That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that. Krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown."(Morning Walk, February 19, 1976, Mayapur)

Revatīnandana - "Srila Prabhupāda you very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and I go to the brahmajyoti I'm still fallen."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes"

Revatīnandana - "That means all jīva-souls there are also fallen souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness.'' (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970 and London 1971)

As said above, the jiva-soul's relationship with Krsna is never a one-sided relationship, no, Krsna does not control the surrendered jiva-souls by force like a puppet master controls every movement of his puppets with the manipulations of strings, denying self expression, personal contributions and voluntary service.

Krsna controls His devotees with loving effection and reciprocal exchanges in a two-way exchange.

Srila Prabhupada - "Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will if I can act only one-sided? That means I have no free will. Because we can act wrongly (sometimes), that means we have free will." (Discussions with Srila Prabhupada – Rene Descartes).

The jiva-souls never lose their free will or ability to express themselves in their own unique way, they are also eternal as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains-

Bhagavad Gita - "For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 Text 20)

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls. New and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?'' (Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970)

Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krsna give us free will if He knew we could fall down in the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will. But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France).

Syamasundara - "Can we predict that returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however, some do come back?''

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time."

Syamasundara - "And some come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right, whatever you like."

Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence, he can fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is not to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again." (Discussions with Syamasundara > Henri Bergson).***..








What is tatastha-sakti?

Srila Prabhupada - "This material world is the "taṭastha" conditioned characteristics, and the Spiritual worlds are the "personal" (Vaikuntha) characteristics." (New York City, Dec 28, 1966)

The marginal living entities or jiva-souls are not called tatastha-sakti in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana as Prabhupada explains above because the word is a "conditioned" designation. 

The word tatastha-sakti refers to the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in their fallen conditioned state in both the material creation and when dormant in the (impersonal) Brahmajyoti.

Revatīnandana - "Srila Prabhupāda you very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and I go to the brahmajyoti I'm still fallen."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana - "That means all jīva-souls there in the impersonal Brahman (Brahmajyoti) are also fallen souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition (Goloka-Vrindavana and Vaikuntha). The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness.'' (Letter to: Revatinandana, LA 13 June, 1970 and 1971 London)

The jiva-soul's original position in Goloka Vrindavana from where they originated from, have the same bodily features as Krsna- 

sat, 

cit, 

ananda, 

vigraha.

Which means-

Eternity, 

Knowledge, 

Bliss.

Form. 

The jiva-souls ARE a perpetual bodily form like Krsna's two-arm bodily form.

The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities is a two arm form like Krsna's Body Prabhupada explains.

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first] Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri - "Are they covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is voluntary. Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become flower, voluntarily, and can change from flower to human body if one desires. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB Canto 6.1.1-4 - Melbourne, May 20, 1975)

As said above the word tatastha-sakti refers to the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in their fallen conditioned state in both the material creation, and when dormant in the impersonal Brahmajyoti or Brahman only.

It is foolish to believe the jiva-souls originate from tatastha-sakti (a conditioned fallen state) Srila Prabhupada explains.

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) sometimes fall down to the material creation from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana which are their original homes.

And then after being frustrated in a material body trapped in the cycle of birth and death in the material creation, they attempt to find escape by entering the impersonal (inactive or dormant) Brahmajyoti. 

The fact is the jiva-souls do not originate from the Impersonal Brahman (Brahmajyoti), the Body of Maha-Visnu or tatastha-sakti (a conditioned designation) as some believe.

Srila Prabhupada - ''Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence (impersonal Brahmajyoti) are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness [Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana]." (Letter to Revatinandana, LA 13 June, 1970)

Tatastha-sakti is also an already fallen conditional state, as Prabhupada explains above, so there is no question of falling  down from an already fallen state.

Fall down means from a none fallen condition and that none fallen original position of the jiva-souls is Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.  

The "marginal living entities" are a collective of eternal individual jiva-souls who have no beginning nor will they ever cease to be. 

The jiva-souls are found throughout the entire Spiritual Sky (both Spiritual worlds and material worlds) like the sun-rays are found almost everywhere emanating from the sun-disc. 

Those jiva-souls who have made the choice to enter the temporary decomposing material creation, can later enter, due to the frustration of material life, an inactive dormant state called the impersonal aspect of Brahman or impersonal Brahmajyoti. 

As said above, the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are known in both the material creation and the impersonal Brahmajyoti as tatastha-sakti but not in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana from where they have originated from Prabhupada has explained above.

In other words, tatastha-sakti is the conditioned fallen designation of the marginal living entity that describes those jiva-souls who have entered the material creation and impersonal Brahmajyoti, but not those jiva-souls (marginal living entities) in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.

This is important to try and understand as the marginal living entity (jiva-souls) has many different names describing their position and condition, and tatastha-sakti is one of those names describing the jiva-souls "conditioned state" after fall down.

The jiva-souls (marginal potency) were not created from a clear sheet of consciousness either as some wrongly claim because they have always existed everywhere (sarva-gatah means life is everywhere) 

Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 Text 12 and text 20 confirms the jiva-souls were never created and have no origin from this imaginary "clear sheet of consciousness that is always growing and expanding with new jiva-souls" as some wrongly believe.

This is revealed in Bhagavad Gita As It Is "corrected 1983 edition" [NOT in the incorrect 1972 edition] Chapter 2 text 20 reveals-

"For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG Ch 2 text 20)

The jiva-souls may fall to an inactive or dormant state in the impersonal Brahmajyoti, but they certainly did not originate from the impersonal Brahmajyoti, Brahman or tatastha-sakti.

Even entering the impersonal Brahmajyoti or Brahman is also only temporary relief for the jiva-souls who entered there to escape the suffering and pain of being embodied in the material world in the cycle of repeated birth and death.

In fact the fallen jiva-souls can stay in the impersonal Brahmajyoti for a very, very, very long time, so long that some foolishly believe it is where they have originated from after emerging from there.

Merged in the impersonal Brahmajyoti is also only temporary because the nature of the jiva-souls is to be active not inactive therefore, all jiva-souls eventually fall out of the impersonal Brahmajyoti.  

It should be made clear the dormant inactive aspect of the Brahmajyoti is not the origin of the jiva-soul, it is actually the fallen state they fall too.

The individual jiva-souls do not originate (have a beginning) from anywhere because they have always existed as part and parcel of the marginal plane collective of Krsna's energies that are individual jiva-souls with 78.125% of Krsna's qualities (having 50 of Krsna's 64 attributes. 

The jiva-souls are spread throughout the entire Spiritual Sky (material and spiritual worlds) as explained above.

The English word "generated" can be misleading if not properly understood in its right context because that word can mean a beginning point, or an origin. 

However, the jiva-souls have no origin or beginning point, this is because they have always existed and were never created as Bhagavad Gita As It Is BG 2.20 explains-

From the correct Bhagavad Gita As It Is 1983 edition [NOT the incorrect 1972 edition] Ch 2 text 20 that reveals-

"For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG Ch 2 text 20)

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls), in their full potential, are a Spiritual bodily form (vigraha) and not an impersonal spark in Krsna's effulgence.  

However, some time over eternity, due to choice (free will) some jiva-souls fell down from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana to the temporary material creation.

The now embodied jiva-souls in their material vessels, eventually over time, became frustrated with the constant cycle of repeated birth and death and decaying nature of the material creation. 

Seeking freedom from that frustration in the temporary material creation, the fallen jīva-souls then attempt to find their liberation (freedom) from the continuous difficulty of material existence (the painful cycle of repeated birth and death) by attempting to end their existence.

They do this by endeavouring to extinguish their spiritual individuality and personality by appearing as a dormant none entity (inactive) bodiless individual unit or none conscious spark in the impersonal aspect of the Brahmajyoti.

This can also be an almost dead motionless existence in the material atom too as Prabhupada has explained.

To a devotee attempting to extinguish one's individuality by merging into the impersonal Brahmajyoti is Spiritual suicide.

However, entering the impersonal aspect of the Brahmajyoti, or in the atom as an inactive almost dead unit, is also temporary because the natural nature of the jiva-souls are to always be active.

Therefore, eventually the jiva-souls fall out of their impersonal prision and again take birth in the material creation, within the 8 million 400 thousand species of life to again experience the suffering of repeated birth and death.

Sadly for some who spent an enormous amount of time in the impersonal Brahmajyoti, when they eventually come out of that fallen condition, they foolishly believe the impersonal Brahmajyoti is their origin.

Srila Prabhupada - "So our effort is to get out of this taṭastha, conditioned characteristics and enter the permanent Personal characteristics (Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana). That is called spiritual elevation." (New York City, Dec 28, 1966)

Being a marginal means the jiva-souls have free will.

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We CAN misuse that." (Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

Having free will is the constitutional make up of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) that is always part and parcel within their eternal character and personality in the spiritual worlds.

This means the jiva-souls can even choose to leave the Vaikuntha Planets or Goloka-Vrindavana if they want, this is also what free will allows and if it didn't, then they have no free will.

This is why it is foolish that big, big sannyasis and gurus can claim that once entering the spiritual worlds, the jiva-souls can never fall down again.

No, they can fall down again and again if they choose to do so! But the majority choose

 And such fall downs have nothing to do with Maya (material energy), it is simply free will.

The fact is Maya or material energy does not exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.

The choice to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana is possible because Krsna allows love to be a two-way street, this means one can accept or reject Krsna if they choose to do so.

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (LA, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada  - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada -"Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Talk with Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada - ''As soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice, Yes," Kṛṣṇa says, yes, you can go Otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Kṛṣṇa is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this." It is free will." (Morning Walk Cheviot Hills May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Srila Prabhupada - "We cannot say therefore that we are not with Krsna. As soon as we try to become Lord, immediately Maya covers us. Formerly we were with Krsna in His lila or sport. But this covering of Maya may be of very, very, very, very long duration; therefore many creations are coming and going." (Letter to Madhudvisa Swami June 1972 Australia)

Srila Prabhupada - "So to go to Krsna means you will have to acquire your original, spiritual body. The spiritual body is already there, but we are now covered by this material body." (Germany, June 22, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago. Anadi karama-phale. Anadi means before the creation. The real desire is how to go to home, back to Godhead." (Lecture on BG, London, Aug 6, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "We may fall down from Vaikuntha at any moment, so even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that, "Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna?" I immediately fall down." (Lecture in Honolulu, July 4, 1974)

Syamasundara - "But can we predict returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however some do come back?''

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time."

Syamasundara - "And some come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. All right. Whatever you like."

Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence, he CAN fall down. That's why when a man is rel,eased from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is not to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again." (Talk with Syamasundara and Henri Bergson)

Even though Krsna has promised there is no return to the material creation once returning to the spiritual worlds.

The fact is there is return if the jiva-souls want to return as Prabhupada explains here-

Acyutananda – "In Bhagavad Gita As It Is Krsna says, once coming to the spiritual world, the jiva-souls never returns to the material worlds, so He can return?"

Srila Prabhupada – "If he likes he can return."

Guru-kripa – "How is it that one can become envious of Krsna?"

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence, you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God. God has got full independence, but you have got independence too, proportionately, because you are part and parcel, so if he likes, he can return. That independence has to be accepted. We can misuse that. Krsna-bahirmukha haïä bhoga väïchä kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown." (Mayapur Feb 19, 1976)

Devotee - "Well, I believe you once said that once a conditioned soul becomes perfected and gets out of the material world and he goes to Krsnaloka, there’s no possibility of falling back."

Srila Prabhupada - "No! There is possibility, but he does not come IF he is intelligent. Just like after putting your hand in the fire, you never put it in again. So those who are going back to Godhead, they must become intelligent. Why going back to Godhead?" (Talk with Syamasundara Dasa).

Srila Prabhupada - "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot fall down, that is not independence, that is force. Therefore Krsna says, yathecchasi tathä kuru. "Now you do whatever you like." (LA, June 23, 1975)

Therefore returning back home back to Godhead is not necessarily permanent Prabhupada has explained above, that choice to stay with Krsna or go, is also the jiva-soul's choice too.

Therefore it is not just a one-way decision that Krsna only makes, no, real loving exchanges can never exist in a one-sided affair because there is always free will

Krsna does not control the surrendered jiva-souls by force like a puppet master controls every movement of his puppets with the manipulations of strings.

Similarly Krsna does not forcibly control the jiva-souls by denying their free will, their natural constitutional right of self expression, voluntary individual contributions and having their own unique personality separate from Krsna's Personality. 

Srila Prabhupada - "Krsna does not want to become a lover by force, from the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed by only one, there must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (SB Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means two, there must be two, the lover and the belove." (Lecture on BG Ch 9 text 2-5, New York, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupāda – ''Unless there are two persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

In Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges are always encouraged by Krsna in His relationship with the jiva-souls. This adds flavour, variety and mystery to their association with the Lord.

This means the Kingdom of God (Goloka-Vrindavana and Vaikuntha) are not a "one-sided" dominating impersonal domain devoid of free will or voluntary service.

Denying free will does not allow or encourage voluntary personal contributions (offerings) expressed in a two-way exchange, that can only expand, enrich and flavour one's eternal relationship with Krsna (God).

Loving service to Krsna and exchanges with Him cannot exist if there is only a one-sided affiliate of total supremacy or preeminence. 

The fact is genuine loving relations and service are based on free will which includes loving exhanges between two, and is never a one-sided dominating affair!

Free will means the jiva-souls are marginal and that all decision making is a two-sided affair, that allows the jiva-souls to choose for themselves, even if it means rejecting Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will. But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Having free will always allows the jiva-souls to voluntarily choose their own unique contributions that they want to selflessly offer to Krsna in loving service.

This is the real meaning of surrender. 

Without free will, loving voluntary exchanges with Krsna are not possible.

Loving relationships can only work in a two-way exchange based on reciprocation and loving selfless service with two sharing loving exchanges.

In this way, the Kingdom of God is never a domineering one-sided dictatorship run by a forceful so called God.

No, Krsna is not like that at all.

The fact is, such a one-way impersonal master/servant dictatorship is actually a loveless relationship that only destroy one's real freedom of expression (free will) and having a sense of individual self and unique personality independent from Krsna's Personality.

How can a lifeless puppet in a puppet show express loving emotions when it is always controlled and manipulated by the strings in the hands of the puppet master?

Similarly, how can the jiva-souls express loving emotions in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana if Krsna does not allow free will or individual independence and self expression which is the real meaning of being a marginal living entity?

Surrendering to Krsna and His pure devotee is not impersonal like that, surrender does not mean giving up your intelligence, free will, individuality and the awareness of being an independent unique contributing free thinking person you are eternally.

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture on BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, there must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (Lecture on SB Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - ''The (impersonalist) philosophy is oneness. So how there can be love, one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience? Love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He's so lover of you that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (Lecture on SB Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Devotee – "Srila Prabhupada, I can’t understand why we can have impure desire when we are already serving Krsna."

Srila Prabhupada – "Because you have got little freedom, it is one's desire."

Devotee – "But in the Srimad Bhagavatam it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come here, why are we here?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, you forced Krsna to allow you to come. Just like sometimes a child forces his father. Father says, "My dear son, do not do this. Do not go there" But he insists, "Oh, I must go. I must go, all right, you go at your risk and suffer. What can be done?" (June 25, 1974) 

Srila Prabhupada - "Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father,  so God does not interfere with your independence." (June 25, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada - "If you persist that “I must go and enjoy independently," so God says, "All right, you can go." This is the position. You have to take sanction. That is a fact. But when you persist, God sanctions. And you come and enjoy."(Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974)

Being on the marginal plane (the jiva-souls) means those living entities have independence and free will.

This means there is always voluntary respectful loving exchanges and contributions going on between two, between Krsna and His jiva-soul independent expansions.

There are many other categories of living entities, they are in the category of Visnu-tattva (93.75% of Krsna's qualities or having 60 of Krsna's 64 attributes) and Siva-tattva (84.375% of Krsna's qualities or having 55 of Krsna's 64 attributes)

Conclusion-

Srila Prabhupada - "Service to the Lord is always voluntarily, one can choose who they want to be in Goloka-Vrindavana at Krsna’s lotus feet, or on the Vaikuntha Planets serving Visnu. And they can change their relationship (rasa) with the Lord if they desire at any time." (Melb, May 20, 1975).^*^.