Reincarnation Explained

How this works is quite fascinating. To start with we are NOT the biological material body we are in, we are not that vessel we presently occupy therefore we must start understanding the biological vessel we are in is not who we really are.

Furthermore, we are not even the subtle ethereal ghostly (also) material body that possesses the outer material biological body.

In this material world we are a conscious projection called the baddha-jiva-soul. The origin of life or consciousness is from our genuine factual perpetual nitya-siddha body in Vaikuntha (Spiritual perpetual Worlds) that is beyond all the temporary material worlds of the gross biological and the subtle ethereal material containments, which are both different dimensions of the material universes that imprison the jiva-baddha-soul.

How one transmigrates from one biological body to another happens beyond the concept of time or past, present and future. At death one can enter a material biological body from the ‘past’ or in the ‘present’ or even in the ‘future’ because the subtle material body is not governed by the Physics and Quantum Mechanics of the biological material world, at death of the biological body we all become time travelers.

Also the idea of contacting family members who have died is just another illusion because the subtle material body that houses the baddha-jiva soul, was never any biological body to begin with.

Confused subtle bodies known as ghosts who still believe they are their previous biological body, suffer greatly because they cannot give up the idea they are NOT that biological body they previously occupied.

In actual fact one cannot see or prove the existence of ghosts by biological means or through biological enhancements such as gross material technology and science.

Officially ghosts are ‘subtle ethereal material vessels’ that encage the baddha-jiva-soul. This subtle world where ethereal bodies are found without a biological body are all around us in both heavenly, hellish and the millions of worlds in-between, we cannot perceive them because we are further encaged and conditioned to believe we are the gross biological body that blocks us from seeing the material universe in its fullness.

The fact is all material bodies both subtle and gross are ornaments that belong to the material universe and constantly exist through all time and space. In other words past, present and future all co-exist together therefore ALL material vessels are constantly being re-occupied by different baddha-jiva-souls that covers ALL dimensions of time.

Also the material subtle body can move from the present to the past, or even to the future because all material gross biological bodies are a potential host for the subtle material body.

This means our present biological bodily vessel can be occupied by different subtle bodies and experiencing its journey from birth to youth, middle, old age and its death.

In other words we can experience the material body of the famous and infamous depending on desire and karma.

Its not that we become them we rather enter that biological body and also get caught up thinking we are that material body.

No baddha-jiva owns any material body they occupy, it’s not me and it’s not you, all material bodies belong to the material universe and are the property of Maha-Vishnu that we simply take lone of.

Foolishly we all think we are the material body we possess but many others have also experience that same material body we are now presently in and also were convinced it was THEIR material body exclusively.

To think in such a way of ownership is an illusion because we are not these material bodies.(99) Gauragopala Dasa

Nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha are both the make-up of EVERY marginal living entity.

Nitya siddha and nitya baddha are NOT separate individuals as some preach. Nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha are both the make-up of EVERY marginal living entity.

Nitya-siddha is ones original condition, when they choose to miss use their free will and reject their own nitya-siddha body in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrndavana only then does their 'conscious awareness' becomes nitya-baddha in the material creation Srila Prabhupada confirms this

Srila Prabhupada - "By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can also become siddha. He can become again nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas again nitya-siddha, to bring them. It is a difficult task." (London lecture BG, Ch 2, 13-14, July 14, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "Your next question, "Is a pure devotee "eternally liberated" and if so is he at any time a conditioned soul? We are "eternally conditioned," but as soon as we surrender to Krsna do we then become "eternally liberated? 

You are NOT eternally conditioned, you are eternally liberated but since we have become conditioned on account of our desire to enjoy materialistic way of life, from time immemorial, therefore it "appears" that we are eternally conditioned. 

Because we cannot trace out the history or the date when we became conditioned, therefore it is technically called eternally conditioned. Otherwise the living entity is not actually conditioned. 

A living entity is always pure. But he is prone to be attracted by material enjoyment and as soon as he agrees to place himself in material enjoyment, he becomes conditioned, but that is not permanent. Therefore, a living entity is called on the marginal state, sometimes this side, sometimes that side. These are very intelligent questions. And I am very glad that you are putting such intelligent questions and trying to understand it. It is very good." (Letter to Aniruddha dasa, Los Angeles 14 Nov 1968)

Understanding the teachings of Srila Prabhupada: Residents of Vaikuntha never fall down?

Understanding the teachings of Srila Prabhupada: Residents of Vaikuntha never fall down?

Understanding the teachings of Srila Prabhupada: Residents of Vaikuntha never fall down?

Understanding the teachings of Srila Prabhupada: Residents of Vaikuntha never fall down?

Gauragopala Dasa

Gauragopala Dasa

While active in the material creation or mahat-tattva, the marginal living entity is nitya-baddha

While active in the material creation or mahat-tattva, the marginal living entity is nitya-baddha.

The nitya-baddha sub-conscious 'inactive' condition, or dormant state of the marginal living entity, is reached after the dissolution of the mahat-tattva by not being qualified to go back to being ‘aware’ of ones nitya-siddha perpetual body within the ‘eternal presence’ of Goloka.

It is also reached by mystic yogis, those who believe 'it's all one' and Buddhists who do not believe in God
Therefore no one originates from the Vraja River, Maha-Vishnu’s Body or the Impersonal Brahmajyoti.

The Vraja River and the Impersonal Brahmajyoti are a state of consciousness the dreamless nitya-baddha secondary consciousness experiences after becoming fed-up with the material Worlds or by being put into that state at the end of a mahat-tattva creation.

Our ‘dormant’ dream state, which is a further aspect of the nitya-baddha consciousness, only manifests when in the material creation and 'unaware' of our ever-youthful nitya-siddha perpetual body.

The Truth about the Moon landings

Only through pious activity can one enter the lush moon planet however, it's very difficult to get people to believe all the moon landings from 1969 to 1972 were fake. As far as the information I have collected, they did go there but did NOT enter the heavenly realm that exists there.

As time goes on there is just too much evidence to prove they did go instead of 'sentimentally' claim they never did. My visit to the Radio telescope at Parks NSW and personally be allowed to shoot a laser beam to 'reflectors' on the moon is more than enough proof for me.

The mysterious origin of the soul

THE SECRET VEDIC BOOK OF ORIGINS REVEALED PART 2

Quantum physics or the science of possibilities explained on the highest level. The mysterious origin of the soul is now within our grasp of understanding. By Gauragopala dasa ACBSP 2006

To say we DID NOT come from Vaikuntha is to say we came from the impersonal Brahmajyoti or 'a clear sheet of consciousness' and Srila Prabhupada rejected that idea.

He has explained that this condition in the impersonal Brahmajyoti is already a fallen state, Srila Prabhupada further explains that originally we ALL have come down from Vaikuntha to the material creation many millions of years ago.

And then, out of frustration of trying to enjoy this temporary material existence, some of us have devolved even further to eventually fall into deeper illusion, with great difficulty, to that dormant motionless inactive conscious state known collectively as the impersonal Brahmajyoti (collectively because of all the billions of baddha-jivas vibrating dormantly there together)

It is these souls (baddha-jivas) who foolishly think this impersonal Brahmajyoti is our origin, having forgotten their real perpetual nitya-siddha body in Goloka that exists outside the limited realms of the material creation (mahat-tattva) and the impersonal Brahmajyoti or effulgence.

And it must be further added that, like the material creation, is also a temporary condition of the numerous baddha-jivas who idiotically strive to take shelter within the collective impersonal Brahmajyoti, which is spiritual suicide to a devotee of Krishna.

Srila Prabhupada - "There are two kinds of marginal living entities: nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha. The actual constitutional position of every marginal living entity is nitya-siddha. By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can become again nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha" New York lecture on Caitanya-Caritamrta, July 13, 1976

Srila Prabhupada – “Eternally conditioned (nitya-baddha)? We cannot be eternally conditioned (nitya-baddha), because we are part and parcel of Krishna. Our natural position is ever liberated, eternally liberated (nitya-siddha). (Bhagavad Gita as it is lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada – “Regarding your questions concerning the spirit soul’s falling into Maya’s influence, it is not that those who have developed a passive relationship with Krishna are more likely to fall into nescient activities.

Usually, anyone who has developed his relationship with Krishna does not fall down in any circumstances, but because the independence is always there, the soul may fall down from any position or any relationship by misusing his independence.

But his relationship with Krishna is never lost. Simply it is forgotten by the influence of Maya, so it may be regained or revived by the process of hearing the Holy Name . . ." Letter to Jagadish, 4.25.70

Srila Prabhupada - “A living entity misuses his little independence when he wants to lord it over material nature. This misuse of independence, which is called Maya, is always available. Otherwise, there would not be independence. Independence implies that one can use it properly or improperly." Srimad Bhagavatam 3.31.15

Srila Prabhupada - "Pure love for Krsna is eternally established in the hearts of living entities. It is not something to be gained from another source. When the heart is purified by hearing and chanting, the living entity naturally awakens." (CC. M. 22.107)

Srila Prabhupada - “We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago." - Lecture on Bhagavad-gita on August 6, 1973

Now some have said, ‘Sometimes "Vaikuntha" means the impersonal Brahmajyoti characteristic of the spiritual sky, NOT necessarily "Vaikuntha-Loka." No that is not correct as the following explains -

Srila Prabhupada – "Formerly we were with Krsna in His lila or sport (Letter 1972 to devotee in Australia (To Madhudvisa Swami)

Srila Prabhupada explains we have marginal independence as part of our nature. We can misuse such independence with out any material cause, it simply happens because it is there in our own fundamental spiritual nature as independent (marginal) living beings.

That choice is always there even in Goloka and must be there if genuine love is to exist. It is not that we first have to be contacted by the modes of material nature to fall down from Goloka or Vaikuntha.

It’s all to do with a combination of choice and the sheer smallness of the marginal living entity. An even then due to that smallness and choice, we only ‘think, imagine or dream’ we are fallen that we become fallen.

The following quotes overwhelmingly reveal that Srila Prabhupada has said we have come down from Vaikuntha however, most never again choose to make that foolish mistake, although on the other hand there is always the chance, due to free-will and the God (Krishna) given ability to choose, we can fall down and without that choice there can be no selfless love.

Srila Prabhupada - "After all, the living entity falls down from the spiritual world. There is possibility even if you are in Vaikuntha, you will fall down, what to speak of this material world." Lecture on Bhagavad-gita on July 4, 1974

Many do not understand the true facts of how we actually did come down from Goloka. And it's got nothing to do with sleeping on a bed in Goloka, as some foolishly believe. Their presentation of the ‘sleeping on a bed in Goloka’ philosophy and how the jiva falls from Goloka is absolute nonsense!!

The understanding of the word dream in regards to the marginal living entity falling from Goloka has nothing to do with sleeping anywhere; it’s all to do with time.

The proper understanding is this. It's all to do with the 'eternal presence' of the imperishable Vaikuntha's and Goloka compared to the 'past, present and future' of the perishable material creation of Maha-Vishnu.

The marginal living entity, due to free will and choice, falls out of synch with the 'eternal presence' of Goloka or Vaikuntha simply caused by their non-Krishna conscious mistaken desires.

Such selfish desires place the marginal living entity outside of Goloka as their nitya-baddha lower self that enters the mahat-tattva (material creation).

Now it is important to understand that while they are in the mahat-tattva, no time passes in Goloka-Vrndavana because of the 'eternal presence' of Krsna Consciousness there

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In other words when the marginal living entity re-establishes again the memory of their nitya-siddha Krsna Conscious bodily identity in Goloka, it will appear as if NO time has passed whatsoever when once again the marginal living entity is in the shelter AS their nitya-siddha body within the ‘eternal presence’ of Goloka-Vrndavana.

Dr. John Mize – “The question that bothers me in part is then why would the soul... Because I understand your conception that the soul is part of the spiritual sky originally or part of God, and it somehow falls out of this blissful condition due to pride, much like the Christian thesis that the devil fell out of heaven due to pride. And it seems puzzling why the soul would be so silly, so foolish, so insane, as to do such a thing”.

Srila Prabhupada – “That is his independence”.

Dr. John Mize – “Independence”.

Srila Prabhupada – “Instead of using independence properly, when he misuses independence he falls”.

Dr. John Mize – “I’m sorry, he what?”

Srila Prabhupada – “He falls down”.

Dr. John Mize – “He falls”.

Srila Prabhupada – “He falls down on account of his independence. Just like you have got independence. You are sitting here. You can go immediately. You may not like to hear me”.

Dr. John Mize – “I wouldn’t what?”

Srila Prabhupada – “You may not like to hear me”.

Dr. John Mize – “Yes”.

Srila Prabhupada – “That independence you have got. I have got also. I may not talk with you. So that independence is always there. Similarly, as part and parcel of God, the, it is the duty of the soul to be always engaged in the service of the Lord”.

Dr. John Mize – “Always engaged in...?”

Srila Prabhupada – “In the service of the Lord”.

Dr. John Mize – “Service of the Lord”.

Srila Prabhupada – “Just like this finger is part and parcel of my body. Whatever I am ordering, it is immediately carrying out. I say, “Make it like this.” He will, it will do. So... But this is dead matter. It is acting mechanically. The brain directs immediately the finger and it acts, like machine. This whole body is just like a machine, but soul is not machine mechanical part. It is spiritual part.

So therefore, as I am directing the finger, as being machine, it is working, but if somebody else, a friend or servant, I may direct him to do something, he may not do it. So when the soul misuses the independence, then he falls down. That is material life.

Material life means misusing the independence of soul. Just like a son. A son’s duty is to obey the father. But he may not obey. That is his madness. So when the soul, misusing the independence, becomes mad, he is sent in this material world”.

Dr. John Mize – “It is puzzling to me that one would be so foolish”.

Srila Prabhupada – “Because by independence you can become foolish. Otherwise, there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do whatever you like. That is stated in the Bhagavad-Gita, that yathecchasi tathä kuru. Find out this verse in the Eighteenth Chapter.

That independence is there. After instructing the whole Bhagavad-Gita to Arjuna, Krishna gave him the independence, “Now whatever you like, you can do.”

Krishna never forced him to accept the teachings of Bhagavad-Gita. He gave him the independence, “Now whatever you like, you can do.” And he agreed. “Yes. Now my illusion is over, I shall act as You say.” The same independence. Yes”.

Dr. John Mize – “Did all the souls that were in the spiritual sky fall out of the spiritual sky at once or at different times, or are there any souls that are always good, they’re not foolish, they don’t fall down?”

Srila Prabhupada – “No, there are... Majority, 90%, they are always good. They never fall down”.

Dr. John Mize – “So we’re among the 10%.

Srila Prabhupada – “Yes. Or less than that. In the material, whole material world all the living entities they are... Just like in the prison house, there is some population, but they are not majority. The majority of the population, they are outside the prison house. Similarly, majority of living being, part and parcel of God, they are in the spiritual world. Only a few fall down”.

Dr. John Mize – “Does Krishna know ahead of time that a soul is going to be foolish and fall?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Krishna? Yes, Krishna may know because He is omniscient”.

Dr. John Mize – “Are more souls falling all the time?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Not all the time. But there is the tendency of fall down, not for all, but because there is independence... Everyone is not liking to misuse the independence. The same example:

Just like a government constructing a city and constructs also prison house because the government knows that somebody will be criminal. So their shelter must be also constructed. It is very easy to understand. Not that cent percent population will be criminal, but government knows that some of them will be.

Otherwise why they construct prison house also? One may say, “Where is the criminal? You are constructing...” Government knows, there will be criminal. So if the ordinary government can know, why God cannot know? Because there is tendency”.

 Dr. John Mize – “The origin of that tendency (to fall from Goloka) is...?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Yes”.

Dr. John Mize – “From where does that tendency come?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Tendency means the independence. So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force. Therefore Krishna says, yathecchasi tathä kuru. “Now you do whatever you like.” (Bhagavad Gita as it is. lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada – “Formerly we were with Krsna in His lila or sport” Letter from Srila Prabhupada in 1972 to devotee in Australia (To Madhudvisa Swami)

Srila Prabhupada - "Actually, you are not conditioned (nitya-baddha). You are thinking. Just like in the dream you are thinking that tiger is eating you. You were never eaten by tiger. There is no tiger. So we have to get out of this dream. (Lecture on Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila 7.108--San Francisco, February 18, 1967)

Srila Prabhupada - “Originally everyone is nitya-siddha. nitya-siddha Krsna Bhakti ’sadhya’ kabhu naya sravanadi-suddha-citte karaye udaya Every living entity originally nitya-siddha, ". Srimad-Bhagavatam Class 7.9.4– Mayapur, February 18, 1977

Devotee – “Well, I believe you once said that once a conditioned soul becomes perfected and gets out of the material world and he goes to Krsnaloka, there’s no possibility of falling back”.

 Srila Prabhupada – “No! There is possibility, but he does not come. Just like after putting your hand in the fire, you never put it again if you are really intelligent. So those who are going back to Godhead, they become intelligent. Why going back to Godhead? Just like we are in renounced order of life. So we have renounced our family life after thinking something. Now, if somebody comes, "Swamiji, you take thousand millions of dollars and marry again and become a family man," I’ll never become, because I have got my bad experience. I’ll never become. . . .”

Bhaktijana – “Has my soul ever been liberated?”

Srila Prabhupada – “That you know. I do not know”.

Bhaktijana – “If I was once liberated...”

Srila Prabhupada – “You are liberated. You are liberated. Simply just a cloud has covered you. Drive away the cloud. There is no question that you were ever. You are ever-liberated. That, the sky is always spiritual, but it is sometimes overcrowded with cloud, this Maya. This is called Maya”.

Srila Prabhupada – “Actually, you are not conditioned. You are thinking. Just like in the dream you are thinking that tiger is eating you. You were never eaten by tiger. There is no tiger”. Letter to Madhudvisa Swami 1972

It is important to understand that ALL marginal living entities ‘originally’ come from Goloka-Vrndavana and are ALWAYS in a perpetual state of uniqueness’ meaning we are forever fresh and youthful in our nitya-siddha body.

Such a spiritual body is ‘eternally’ endowed with a two-armed form like Krishna’s but can also appear as a four armed form in the Vaikunthas in the mood of servitude, or further appear as a flower, drop of rain, chair, etc regardless, the original form of the soul is two armed just like Krishna’s.

What makes things confusing to several is that some marginal living entities, who have manifested as their inferior secondary baddha-jiva state in the material creation, can stay in the material creation or mahat-tattva for what seems to be an almost eternity!

This means many baddha-jiva souls enter the Body of Maha-Vishnu or the impersonal Brahmajyoti at the dissolution of each mahat-tattva creation because of not being Krishna Conscious to awaken to their true nitya-siddha body in Goloka.

In other words, this entrance into the dormant impersonal Brahmajyoti condition only happens if they are not qualified to again remember their ‘full potential awareness’ of being a nitya-siddha perpetual Krishna Conscious body in Goloka.

In this way, the baddha-jiva sub-conscious state starts off as a non-Krishna conscious selfishly active dream (or thought) condition originating from the marginal living entity in Goloka.

Therefore it is only the secondary or inferior baddha-jiva that is a formless state of consciousness that is sometimes referred to as particles of spirit, spiritual atoms, sparks or molecules (All referring to the baddha-jiva and NOT the nitya-siddha body due to always being a Krishna Conscious bodily form).

This baddha-jiva condition can only experience selfish desires through material bodily vessel provided by Maha-Vishnu from within His mahat-tattva creation that clothes the secondary baddha-jiva state with subtle (ethereal) and gross (biological) material containers or bodily vessels of the mahat-tattva.

There are others also that a resemble fire and extreme cold. Sarva gatah - life is everywhere in the mahat-tattva and most, over 95%, we cannot see with our biological eyes and our scientific technological extensions like the Electron Microscope and the Humble Telescope.

Some have said that "falling down from Vaikuntha" means NOT necessarily "Vaikuntha-Loka planets of eternal loving service." Srila Prabhupada rejects that nonsense claim to his teachings and explains clearly we have foolishly come from Krishna’s Pastimes - (Lecture August 6, 1973) and further defeats this nonsense speculation by undoubtedly telling us –

Srila Prabhupada – "Formerly we were with Krsna in His lila and sport" (Letter from Srila Prabhupada in 1972 to devotee in Australia (To Madhudvisa Swami)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago."

Srila Prabhupada clearly teaches us - These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities". Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970  which he means, "Formerly we were with Krsna in His lila" (Letter 1972 to Madhudvisa Swami)

Srila Prabhupada tells us we have come down from Vaikuntha-loka, actually Goloka-Vrndavana some millions of years ago and have not originated from this Prapanchika Vaikuntha.

We may have been to Prapanchika Vaikuntha but long, long, long before that we were with Krsna in His Vaikuntha-loka and Goloka-Vrndavana

To say we the marginal living entities came from 'a clear sheet of consciousness that is expanding and growing with new jivas, ' or from the impersonal dormant characteristic of the Brahmajyoti, is worse than the teachings of Mayavadi philosophy!

On many occasions Srila Prabhupada further elaborates on his wonderful purports in the association of his close disciples. I remember in Sydney he called devotees in to his room and preached to midnight, being the guard at the door, I heard these wonderful conversations. The main point to understand is that there is no difference between Prabhupada's books, lectures, morning walks and personal instructions, in fact why would there be? 

Srila Prabhupada - "We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago." - (Lecture on Bhagavad-gita on August 6, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha". Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970 Srila Prabhupada further explains this clearly -

Srila Prabhupada – "Formerly we were with Krsna in His lila" (Letter from Srila Prabhupada in 1972 to devotee in Australia (To Madhudvisa Swami)

And this -

"Due to the mundane association and the deliberations of mundane sensual objects, the jiva-soul has forgotten the real forms of the self, the bliss, divinity and that of Vaikuntha. As a result of which, the jivas are put into a delusion of imagining sense-pleasures and heavenly pleasures as the bliss.

They are also at delusion regarding their conception about the Supreme Lord and His Abode. They mistake the Vaikuntha as to be something like the mundane regions and also they misconstrue the Divine Body with the perishable bodies of the physical world thereby they mistake some or other abodes constituted by the earth, water, or any other similarly imagined abode as the Vaikuntha." Sri Tattva-Sutram on page 137 

And this -

When the marginal living entity first chooses to pursue their own self-centred desires and thus forgets his relationship with Krishna, he is immediately overwhelmed by the influence of Maya, in other words, one first chooses to ignore Krishna that simultaneously puts them in the realm of Maya or within the mahat-tattva creation of Maha-Vishnu.

Srila Prabhupada is very clear. Originally we have a direct personal relationship with Krsna in the spiritual world (As nitya-siddha). But when we want to take Krsna’s position, Krsna puts us into a dreaming state (As nitya-baddha).

In this dreaming state we forget our actual position and are thus free to act out our desire to become the supreme enjoyer. This state of forgetfulness and dreaming is sometimes characterized as being “fallen” from our position in the spiritual world.

But Srila Prabhupada explains that in reality we are not fallen. We are simply in a dreaming state. Srila Prabhupada says that this is a very important point and asks the devotees to carefully consider it.

This concept that we are not really fallen offers an explanation for the statements that “no one falls from Vaikuntha.” We do not fall. We simply forget our original relationship of service to Krsna. Some might argue that we have eternally forgotten Krsna. But that is not supported by Srila Prabhupada

And this -

"Service of Sri Krsna is the eternal nature of a Jiva. When he forgets this relationship he is overwhelmed by the influence of Maya—the deluding potency lying at the back-ground of the Lord.

Thenceforward a Jiva shows his backwardness in the service of the Supreme Lord Sri Krsna. Since the backward condition of a Jiva springs up along with his coming into this mayaik world, the history of his downfall within the bounds of time and space is out of the question.

Hence the significance of the expression ‘eternally backward.' His eternal function with the service of Sri Krsna has been perverted since his entrance into the plane of three dimensions due to his forgetfulness." (Jaiva Dharma, p. 10)

Srila Prabhupada – "This is factual evidence showing that it is possible at any time to fall down from the Lord's association. . . Once fallen and separated from the Supreme Personality of Godhead's association, one becomes a candidate for suffering in the material world." Cc. Madhya-lila 10.65, purport

Srila Prabhupada - “As living spiritual souls we are all originally Krsna conscious entities, but due to our association with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness has now become polluted by the material atmosphere.” Original Hare Krsna album

Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur - “However, because of contact with matter, the imprisoned soul loses the memory of his original spiritual form in Vaikuntha. . . material rasas are perverted reflections of the soul’s original spiritual rasas.” Prema-pradipa, p. 83

Srila Prabhupada - “Because you are part and parcel of God, God has got full independence, but you have got little independence, proportionately, because you are part and parcel” Los Angeles, June 23, 1975

Trivikrama asks Srila Prabhupada – “You were just saying that we are not fallen. Actually this is an illusion thinking that we are fallen. Yet I read ...

Srila Prabhupada: “The same example. In dream I am not attacked by the tiger, but I am ...thinking, “Oh, tiger is there - It is simply dreaming condition”.

Trivikrama: But so many Vaishnavas are praying...

Srila Prabhupada – “So as soon as you understand that “This is not... I am not in contact with tiger, it is all a dream,” then you are delivered. Similarly, as soon as you understand “All this material condition of life we are simply dreaming; I am actually servant of Krsna,” then you are liberated. That is Krsna conscious. If you keep in Krsna consciousness, that “I am eternal servant of Krsna,” then you are liberated. . . .

Trivikrama: This feeling that we have, that we are fallen, that we are very fallen...

Srila Prabhupada - “That is also illusion. That is also illusion. You are fallen means you have got some certain desires except service of Krsna. Therefore the conclusion is that if you keep yourself tightly in Krsna’s service, there is no question of falling down or there is no question of Maya. You see?” Los Angeles, June 23, 1975

In this lecture Srila Prabhupada is very clear. Originally we have a direct personal relationship with Krsna in the spiritual world (As nitya-siddha). But when we want to take Krsna’s position, we put ourselves into a dreaming state (As nitya-baddha) that can only exist in the mahat-tattva, the impersonal Brahmajyoti or the Body of Maha-Vishnu.

In this dreaming nitya-baddha condition we forget our actual position and are thus free to act out our desire to become the supreme enjoyer.

This state of forgetfulness and dreaming is characterized as being “fallen” from our position in the spiritual world. But Srila Prabhupada explains that in reality we are not fallen. We are simply in a dreaming nitya-baddha state.

Srila Prabhupada says that this is a very important point and asks the devotees to carefully think about it.

This concept that we are not really fallen offers an explanation for the statements that “no one falls from Vaikuntha.” We do not fall. We simply forget our original nitya-siddha relationship of service to Krsna. Some might argue that we have eternally forgotten Krsna. But that is not supported by Srila Prabhupada’s purports 

No. Hare Krsna a will be finished within ten thousand years.

Allen Ginsberg: In 400,000 years will people still be chanting Hare Krsna?

Prabhupada: No. Hare Krsna a will be finished within ten thousand years. There will be no more Hare Krsna.

Allen Ginsberg: Ah. So what will be left?

Prabhupada: Nothing. Left will be I’ll kill you and eat you, and you shall kill me. You shall eat me. That will be left.

Allen Ginsberg: After ten thousand years?

Prabhupada: Yes. There will be no grain, no milk, no sugar, no fruit. So I have to eat you, and you will have to eat me. Full facility for meat eating. (laughter) Full facility. Krsna is very kind. He’ll give you facility: “All right. Why cows and calves? You take your own son. Yes. Eat nicely.” Just like serpents, snakes, they eat their own offsprings, tigers. So this will happen.

Allen Ginsberg: Kali eats her own…

Prabhupada: Yes. And there will be no brain to understand, no preacher, nothing else. Go. Go to, to the dog. And then Krsna will come: “All right, let me kill you so that you are saved.” Room Conversation with Allen Ginsberg His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada May 13, 1969, Columbus, Ohio 690513rc.col

Tatastha s’akti or jiva tatastha

Tatastha s’akti

Tatastha s’akti simply means we have the ability to choose this side of being with Krishna or that side being in the mahat-tattva material creation, no-one comes from there because it is not a place.

There are 160 names for the jiva-tattva like baddha--jiva, siddha-jiva, tatastha-jiva, jiva-tattva, jiva-s'akti, jiva bhutah etc that each describe the marginal living entity in its particular possition.
For example tatastha s’akti or jiva-tatastha refers to the jiva-tattva's sovereignty as an individual living being THAT HAS FREE WILL AND THE ABILITY TO CHOOSE its destiny.

NO jiva-tattva comes from tatastha-s'akti because THEY are ALREADY tatastha-s'akti PERPETUALLY! even in Goloka-Vrindavana from where they have originated. Tatastha-s'akti is NOT some place in the cosmos; it is simply a description of the jiva-tattva (marginal living entity) nature pertaining to free will and the ability to choose.

Tatastha s’akti simply means we have the ability to choose this side or that side.
The marginal living entity therefore is always also known a tatastha- s’akti in Vaikuntha, Goloka and the material creation, meaning there is always choice and free-will to love Krishna or reject Krishna

Tatastha s’akti its real meaning

The real meaning of Tatastha s’akti

Tatastha s’akti simply means we have the ability to choose this side of being with Krishna or that side being in the mahat-tattva material creation, no-one comes from there because it is not a place.

There are 160 names for the jiva-tattva like baddha--jiva, siddha-jiva, tatastha-jiva, jiva-tattva, jiva-s'akti, jiva bhutah etc that each describe the marginal living entity in its particular possition.

For example tatastha s’akti or jiva-tatastha refers to the jiva-tattva's sovereignty as an individual living being THAT HAS FREE WILL AND THE ABILITY TO CHOOSE its destiny.

NO jiva-tattva comes from tatastha-s'akti because THEY are ALREADY tatastha-s'akti PERPETUALLY! even in Goloka-Vrindavana from where they have originated.

Tatastha-s'akti is NOT some place in the cosmos; it is simply a description of the jiva-tattva (marginal living entity) nature pertaining to free will and the ability to choose.

Tatastha s’akti simply means we have the ability to choose this side or that side.

The marginal living entity therefore is always also known a tatastha- s’akti in Vaikuntha, Goloka and the material creation, meaning there is always choice and free-will to love Krishna or reject Krishna
Taṭasthā-śakti is the spiritual but marginal energy of God known as the jiva tattva. Although the jivas are eternal, it is their position as marginal energy - between lower material and higher spiritual energy.

In other words, taṭasthā-śakti or the jiva tattva is between external (material) energy and internal (also eternal spiritual) energy of Krishna Svayam Bhagavan.

In Caitanya Caritamrta, Madhya, Verse 6.160 are enumerated these three energies:

The spiritual potency of the Supreme Personality of Godhead also appears in three phases -- internal, marginal and external.

Another verse (Caitanya Caritamrta, Madhya, 8.152) gives more information:

In other words, these are all potencies of God -- internal, external and marginal. But the internal potency is the Lord's personal energy and stands over the other two.

So jivatma, living being is never equal to Supreme Godhead and also always subordinate to Him. Above the jiva tattva, also known as the tatastha shakti stands Internal energy of Krishna of shakti tattvas and Vishnu tattvas, the jiva tattvas originate from that realm of the Spiritual Sky known as Vaikuntha as well.

Baddha-jiva and its correct understanding

Baddha-jiva and its correct understanding

NO baddha-jivas ORIGINATE from Maha-Vishnu they are only given form (subtle and gross) material vessels by Him

There are only TWO types of living entities, Vishnu-tattva and jiva-tattva. We, the marginal living entity are jiva-tattva where we experience our full potential as nitya-siddha and our restricted self centred condition as nitya-baddha.

Nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha are two different sides every jiva-tattva can manifest

All jiva-tattvas or marginal living entities are originally nitya-siddha and can ignore that Krishna Conscious Krishna Conscious Spiritual body and restrict their ‘awareness’ to their nitya-baddha or baddha-jiva lower non-Krishna Conscious self.

The jiva-tattva is also known as the marginal living entity, which means there is always the choice to serve Krishna or enter the material creation and to do their own thing.

This ability to split ones personality into always serving Krishna or serving ones own selfish desires without Krishna are referred to as nitya-siddha body (svarupa) that is perpetually Krishna Consciousness, and the nitya-baddha consciousness or a secondary projected circumstance of the jiva-tattva.

This extended projection of the marginal living entity known as the baddha-jiva manifests in the material creation as a sub-conscious condition and given or covered with material bodily vessels that are provided by Maha-Vishnu.

NO baddha-jivas ORIGINATE from Maha-Vishnu they are only given form (subtle and gross) material vessels by Him

The Moon is further away from Earth than the Sun

Srila Prabhupada – “Our knowledge should be through the sastra. That is practical. And our process of knowledge is this: we get knowledge from sastra, like Bhagavad-gita, Srimad-Bhagavatam, Vedic knowledge.

We do not claim to be very big scientists. That is not possible. But we get knowledge from the best scientific man or person, the Personality of Godhead, Krsna, Vyasadeva, Narada, Asita, Devala, later on the acaryas, Ramanujacarya, Madhvacarya, Sankaracarya, Caitanya.

Our process of knowledge is not any speculation: "It may be," "Perhaps." No. We don't accept this knowledge. "It may be," "Perhaps" -- these are all foolishness. That means one who has no perfect knowledge, he will say, "It may be," "Perhaps." One who has definite knowledge, why he will say, "It may be"? It must be.

So far as we get information from Srimad-Bhagavatam, there is sun, then moon, according to Bhagavatam. We were talking about these things: whether the moon is the first planet or the sun is the first planet. So far as we understand from Vedic literature, the moon is the second planet. The sun is the first planet.

If we consider like that, then the moon is beyond the sun planet. The estimation is there in the Srimad-Bhagavatam: 1,600,000 miles above the sun, the moon is situated.

Now, if we take consideration of the sun planet situated 93,000,000 miles from earth, then add 1,600,000 miles again, it comes to 95,000,000 miles away from the earthly planet.

And how you can reach there in four days, 95,000,000 miles away? If we apply our common sense, then it appears they have never gone to the moon planet. It is all bogus propaganda. It is not possible.

(Srila Prabhupada - Lecture, Nov. 28, 1975)

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Srila Prabhupada – “The Supreme Personality of Godhead impregnates the mahat-tattva (material creation) with His internal potency which are the living entities. The mahat-tattva (lifeless matter) is thus “lit up” by the sum total of the consciousness of all the conditioned souls (baddha-jivas)” Srimad Bhagavatam 3.26.19-2).

The mahat-tattva refers to the perishable material creation, which takes up one quarter of the Brahmajyoti, Brahman or Spiritual Sky that includes all the subtle (ethereal) and gross (biological) material bodily vessels that entrap the baddha-jiva soul according to their selfish material desires and good and bad reactions (karma).

The mahat-tattva is the creation of Maha-Vishnu; everything in His innate or lifeless material creation is the manifestation of His dreams and thoughts and is only moved with the appearance of life. It is He who impregnates in the mahat-tattva the baddha-jiva-souls.

So where do those baddha-jivas come from?

Maha-Vishnu brings life to the mahat-tattva by His glance that places baddha-jivas in His ‘mahat-tattva’ bodily material vessels throughout the material creation. These baddha-jivas that are placed in subtle and gross material bodily vessels are actually from the previous mahat-tattva, however there are others who have chosen to come down from Vaikuntha and even Goloka-Vrndavana, not as their nitya-siddha body, but also as their sub-conscious dream state known as the nitya-baddha jiva

This nitya-baddha characteristic of the jiva (marginal living entity) is the secondary inferior manifestation of the marginal living entity that becomes evident when the marginal living entity foolishly chooses to leave Goloka or Vaikuntha, forgetting Krishna and their own eternal nitya-siddha body.

This therefore places the marginal living entities ‘awareness’ of reality as nitya-baddha into the mahat-tattva confined to an unlimited array of material bodily vessels that are all part and parcel of the material dream creation of Maha-Vishnu.

If the marginal living entity or jiva-soul chooses to enter Maha-Vishnu’s material creation by rejecting service Krishna in Goloka as their nitya-siddha Krishna Conscious body, then their ‘awareness’ will no longer be absorbed as who really are as a nitya-siddha body (svarupa vigraha).

Just like darkness (compared to the nitya-baddha consciousness) is created by the absence of light (compared to the nitya-siddha body), the inferior nitya-baddha conscious ‘conditioned awareness’ only exists when the jiva forgets their nitya-siddha Krishna Conscious body.

The jiva-soul or the marginal living entity is now manifest as its nitya-baddha secondary ‘awareness’ where one’s material desires will be given the facility of a material ethereal and biological vessels that are within the dreams of Maha-Vishnu which are containments, bodily vessels or ornament belonging to the mahat-tattva creation of Maha-Vishnu.

Such material bodies are available to an unlimited number of marginal living entities via their secondary baddha-jiva condition if they choose to ignore Krishna and live out their material desires.

In this way, the mahat-tattva along with all its material vessels, are continuously created and annihilated with the creation and destruction of each mahat-tattva, the trapped baddha-jiva within those material bodies simply goes along for the cosmic ride bound by karma in search of selfish material so called pleasures in an attempt to lord it over the material energy. All these trapped baddha-jivas take refuge within the Body of Maha-Vishnu when the mahat-tattva is annihilated if they are not qualified to go Back Home, Back to Godhead.

Others like advanced impersonalist yogis can take shelter in their own inactive or dormant consciousness by ceasing all desires and actions with much difficulty, which really is a dreamless dream state of the baddha-jiva.

Therefore the impersonal aspect of the Brahman or Brahmajyoti is certainly not some place in the creation where baddha-jivas merge into as some foolishly believe but is rather a state of individual consciousness.

The Brahman or ‘impersonal Brahmajyoti’ or the impersonal feature of the Spiritual Sky is actually a very small minority of jiva-souls or marginal living entities who experience this in their baddha-jiva second-rate characteristic that become further trapped in that ‘impersonal’ dormant state due to the influence of being covered then eventually frustrated by the temporary material bodies within the mahat-tattva that souls fall to and are covered (material vessels that belong to the mahat-tattva) by when they long, long, long, long, long ago chose to no longer serve Krsna in Goloka or Vaikuntha

In other words, when jiva-souls or marginal living entities in the nitya-baddha condition become fed up with the material creation of changing material bodies or vessels, they can escape this cycle of birth and death by either realizing their full potential nitya-siddha body that is always in Goloka even while they ‘envision’ themselves to be in the mahat-tattva, or they can cease to desire bodily activity (after much difficulty of casting off those subtle and gross material bodies) and enter an inactive dormant state of consciousness that each marginal living entity has the capacity of expression, in this case ‘impersonal’ inactivity.

Although due to the inherent nature of the baddha-jiva is activity, the impersonal Brahman condition is also temporary. The individual baddha-jivas who ‘manifest’ this ‘dormant consciousness’ are expressing the impersonal side of their nature and is known as the impersonal Brahmajyoti feature of the marginal living entity. In other words the impersonal Brahmajyoti is the dormant inactive characteristic of the ‘baddha’-jiva’

The gross characteristics of the material universe that houses biological bodies as well as there innate or lifeless remnants left over after the embodied baddha-jiva, contained in the ethereal vessel, gives up or is forced to give up the outer gross biological material vessel, is totally different than the underlining subtle body (ethereal) or universe that takes up 99% of the material universe or mahat-tattva.

Modern science therefore can only register or view less than 1% of the material universes where the middle planetary systems exist, where as the other 99% of the subtle or ethereal material creation cannot be seen with gross biological eyes or its extensions of gross material technology. Science calls un measurable sub-space material matter ‘dark matter’ however if they see it then it is only part of the gross material worlds

So only 1% of the material universe is made up of gross matter and biological bodily vessels. All dead matter such as dust, rocks, sand, atmosphere comes from the presence of life, left over from the presence of biological infatuated self-centred baddha-jivas trapped with the cycle of birth and death.

Scientific advancement such as the Hubble Telescope, the Electron Microscope and the Large Hadron Collider (atom smasher) are also made out of this gross matter, which means these instruments cannot register the subtle ethereal material universe that takes up 99% of the mahat-tattva material creation, what to speak of the Vaikunthas.

Therefore the greater majority of the material universe, not to be misunderstood as spiritual (Vaikuntha/Goloka) is the subtle material (ethereal universe and home of the demigods and hellish worlds) that can never be measured by any gross instrument or biological means in the material universe.

Therefore 99% of the mahat-tattva (material universe) is not seen with biological eyes or even measured by any kind of gross material technology no matter how advanced.

Only pious or impious activities can reveal both the heavenly and hellish words to an individual however, there is no gross material way other than by the path of self realization under the guidance of a Guru can this be realized, experienced and understood and attain AGAIN attain Vaikuntha beyond the subtle and gross material worlds.

Srila Prabhupada - “The living entity wants to imitate Krsna and tries to lord it over material nature; thus he forgets his original position, and his illuminating power, his spiritual identity, (their nitya-siddha body is forgotten) is extinguish. However, if a living entity takes to Krsna consciousness, he is reinstated in his original position. Bhaktivedanta purport of the Eighty-seventh Chapter of Krsna, “Prayers by the Personified Vedas.”

Srila Prabhupada – “Sages and saints like Narada and the Kumaras are travelling all over the universe educating people and encouraging their disciples to preach this process of devotional service so all the conditioned souls may be able to revive their original consciousness, or Krsna consciousness, and thus gain relief from the miserable conditions of material life”. Bhaktivedanta purport of the Eighty-seventh Chapter of Krsna, “Prayers by the Personified Vedas.”

There is no origin to our ‘svarupa or nitya-siddha body’. Every marginal living entity has an authentic nitya-siddha svarupa or sat-cit-ananda- vigraha body in Goloka-Vrndavana. Unlike the material world in the Spiritual worlds of Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrndavana, we are our body.

This they can realize even now while trapped in their lower nitya-baddha dreaming self if one again turns to Krishna Consciousness. On the other hand, the rebellious marginal living entity trapped in their baddha-jiva selfish expression, can almost never realize their true bodily nitya-siddha identity if they continue to choose to remain nitya-baddha and continue to misuse their free will and not desire to ‘again’ become Krishna Conscious.

Srila Prabhupada – “By the grace of Krishna, we have complete freedom. Because the Lord is kind to us, we can live anywhere, either in the spiritual sky or in the material sky, upon whichever planet we desire. However, misuse of this freedom causes one to fall down into the material world and suffer the threefold miseries of conditioned life. Milton in Paradise Lost nicely illustrates the living of a miserable life in the material world by dint of the soul’s choice. Similarly, by choice, the soul can regain paradise and return home, back to Godhead.” Caitanya-Caritamrita, Adi Lila 5.22, Purport

Factually, without free will, there would be no need to have the mahat-tattva (material creation) however, because we DO have the free will to serve Krishna or reject Krishna, there is a need to have the mahat-tattva just like our society has the need to have a jail.

Without free will how can there be genuine love and service? There has to be a choice and that is why we are called ‘marginal’ living entities. Each marginal living entity has the nitya-siddha body in Goloka and, if they choose, the nitya baddha consciousness (surrogate) that takes shelter within material bodily vessels provided by Maha-Vishnu within His mahat-tattva material creation.

A devotee asked Srila Prabhupada what he had been praying for, and Srila Prabhupada said, “I was praying that I may not fall down from devotional service.” The devotee responded, “But Srila Prabhupada, a pure devotee like you never falls down.” Srila Prabhupada replied, “A pure devotee never falls down because he is always praying that he may not fall down.”

Comment posted by Gauragopala dasa on December 25th, 2010

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This answers the paradox of how there is free will and 'everything is predestined'.

This answers the paradox of how there is free will and 'everything is predestined'.

Free will and predestination in the mahat-tattva both exist at the same time and that’s why it is possible to know all past, present and future simultaneously

The mahat-tattva creation of Maha-Vishnu has every possible scenario each material gross and subtle bodily vessel the soul (marginal living entity as baddha-jiva) can traverse already existing as a blueprint within the mahat-tattva in anticipation for what ever the baddha-jiva desires and deserves.

Therefore, based on desire, free will, karma and choice; the marginal living entity as their nitya-baddha secondary consciousness that exists conditioned in gross biological and subtle ethereal bodies within the mahat-tattva, can have any body and circumstance they yearn for based on aspiration and karma. The marginal living entity therefore has the free will that enables them to carve their own pathway through the multi- perpetual pathways that take into account every possible scenario and out-come that the embodied baddha-jiva chooses or deserves.

This answers the paradox of how there is free will and 'everything is predestined'.

Within the mahat-tattva or material creation all past, present and future as well as every possible scenario situation, condition and state of material affairs all exist simultaneously within unlimited time lines that are each a little different that the one next to it.

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The Jiva DID fall From Goloka

The Jiva DID fall From Goloka

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