Sunday, March 10, 2019

Can ISKCON (The Hare Krishna Movement) have women Gurus (Spiritual Masters)?

Is it possible for a woman to be a guru in the line of disciplic succession?


There are some devotees who said they will challenge the GBC's appointment of women Gurus in Karmi courts, more likely their challenge will be laughed out of these karmi courts.

This is obvious because karmi courts are influenced by public opinion in a world where the Me Too movement exists.

In India, the Me Too movement is seen as either an independent outgrowth influenced by the international campaign against sexual harassment and discrimination of women in the workplace, an offshoot of the American "Me Too" social movement.

Devotees threatening karmi court action to resolve the position of women are best to keep it in house within ISKCON because in today's world no karmi court will discriminate against women.

Of course devotees follow Vedic teachings and see most of these liberal movements including women's rights with their nonsense claim for abortion and same sex marriage as just part of Kali-yugas degradation.

But women Gurus in ISKCON is above all that.

Srila Prabhupada is the founder of ISKCON, we follow his teachings, we are not Gaudiya Math or any other sanga and clearly Prabhupada has said below there CAN be SOME women Gurus

If a women devotee is highly qualified then they can be Guru and the courts and sastra will agree with this.

Prof. O'Connell - ''Is it possible, Swamiji, for a woman to be a guru in the line of disciplic succession?''

Srila Prabhupāda - ''Yes. Jāhnavā devī was-Nityānanda's wife. She became. If she is able to go to the highest perfection of life, why it is not possible to become guru? But, not so many.

Actually one who has attained the perfection, she can become guru. But man or woman, unless one has attained the perfection.... Yei kṛṣṇa-tattva-vettā sei guru haya (CC Madhya 8.128). The qualification of guru is that he must be fully cognizant of the science of Kṛṣṇa. Then he or she can become guru Yei kṛṣṇa-tattva-vettā, sei guru haya. (break)

In our material world, is it any prohibition that woman cannot become professor? If she is qualified, she can become professor. What is the wrong there? She must be qualified. That is the position. So similarly, if the woman understands Kṛṣṇa consciousness perfectly, she can become guru.''. (Interview with Professors O'Connell, Motilal and Shivaram -- June 18, 1976, Toronto)

What Prabhupada says is very clear also, we cannot deny these comments no matter what is said elsewhere.

Srila Prabhupada -  "If she is able to go to the highest perfection of life, why it is not possible to become guru? But, not so many".

These are Prabhupada's words - "Women CAN become Guru but not that many"

He said this, others cannot deny this.

Nowhere does Prabhupada say women Gurus are nonsense.

One "cannot" use other comments by Prabhupada even if he said as in one Purport, she cannot be Guru because it is his mother. Even though said, here Prabhupada still says there CAN be women Gurus.

Yes, he said both but it does not take way the fact he said "there CAN be women Gurus"

So those who claim women Gurus are nonsense are immature because nowhere has Prabhupada said that.

What IS nonsense is taking Spiritual matters to a "karmi" court, silly idea, one thing is certain, you will differently loose in Karmi courts.

This is because in the karmi world discrimination against women is presently a big issue.

We base our teachings on Srila Prabhupada's teachings and not any other source including Gaudiya Math or any other Sanga.

In ISKCON we do not foolishly try to use Guru, Sadhu and Sastra to go above or against Prabhupada's teachings to prove him wrong.

Our authority is ONLY Srila Prabhupada's Books, lectures and comments. Additionally, not only women, but men also require to be siddhas to become guru.

At the end of the day, We, the conditioned souls require a liberated soul to take us back.

And he said there "CAN be women Gurus but not many"

His words not mine, no one can deny this.





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