Tuesday, March 12, 2019

Srila Prabhupada made MANY comments about the home of the jiva souls being Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana and that once there, they can NEVER fall from from Vaikuntha. BUT why do some devotees only accept those comments when in his other writings, he says they CAN fall from Vaikuntha even saying only less than 10% DO choose to leave.

Srila Prabhupada made MANY comments about the jiva souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana and if they can or cannot fall from from there.

Therefore why only accept one comment by Prabhupada below quoted by those who think that once one is in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana they can never leave?

Many should understand that Maya or the material energy does NOT exist in Vaikuntha, therefore fall down is NOT caused by Maya in anyway.

However, what DOES exist eternally in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana is "free will and the ability to choose", such qualities make us all individual unique different persons each with their own abilities and talents in their full potental as Krishna's eternal servant.

These attributes and spiritual qualities of each indivual jiva soul are NEVER lost.

And if they are, then the jivatmas are no better than dead stone.

1 - Srila Prabhupada - "The conclusion is that no one falls from the spiritual world, or Vaikuntha, for it is the eternal abode." (SB 3.16.26 purport)

But then Srila Prabhupada also made these following conclusions that we CAN fall (By choice) from Vaikuntha -

1 - Srila Prabhupada - ” So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krishna? Why not become Krishna?’ I immediately fall down. That is natural. A servant is serving the master, but sometimes he may think that, “If I could become the master.” They are thinking like that; they are trying to become God. That is delusion. You cannot become God. That is not possible. But he’s wrongly thinking”. July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.

2 - Srila Prabhupada – ''Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall. Your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime. So there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence'' Letter to Jagadisa Prabhu, 4/25/1970.

3 - Srila Prabhupada – Regarding your several questions like where are the spirit souls coming from? These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha. There is no new soul. 'New' and 'Old' are due to this material body, the soul is NEVER born and NEVER dies, so if there is no birth how there can be new soul'' Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970.

4 - Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense everyone comes from Krishna Loka. When one forgets Krishna he is conditioned, when one remembers Krishna he is liberated". (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

5 - Srila Prabhupada - "We cannot say therefore that we are not with Krsna. As soon as we try to become Lord, immediately Maya covers us. "Formerly we were with Krsna in His lila or sport". But this covering of Maya may be of very, very, very, very long duration; therefore many creations are coming and going". (Letter to Madhudvisa Swami May 1972 Australia)

6 - Srila Prabhupada  - "Formerly we were with Krsna in His lila or sport". But this covering of Maya may be of very, very, very, very long duration; therefore many creations are coming and going". (Letter to Madhudvisa Swami May 1972 Australia)

7 - Srila Prabhupada – ''Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall. Your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime. So there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence'' Letter to Jagadisa Prabhu, 4/25/1970.

8 - Srila Prabhupada - “We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago.” - (Lecture on Bhagavad-gita on August 6, 1973)

9 - Srila Prabhupada - ‘’These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha”. Letter to Jagadisa das.

10 - Srila Prabhupada - "The jiva is originally with Krsna. But even with Krsna “there is a dormant attitude for forgetting Krsna and creating an atmosphere for enjoying independently.” (Letter to Madhudvisa Swami June 1972 Australia)

11 - Srila Prabhupada - “As living spiritual souls we are all originally Krsna conscious entities, but due to our association with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness has now become polluted by the material atmosphere.” Original Hare Krsna Happening record album New York 1966.

The fact is 90% of the jivatmas actually NEVER "choose" to leave Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana and enter the decaying material creation of repeated birth and death only less than 10% do choose to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana.

However Prabhupada also says this  -

2 - Srila Prabhupada - "The conclusion is that the origin of all life is the bodily effulgence of the Supreme Personality of Godhead." (SB 4.30.5 purport)

Then Srila Prabhupada says it was NOT from the effulgent impersonal aspect of Brahman the jiva originate.

Srila Prabhupada - ''Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness''. Letter to: Revatinandana — Los Angeles 13 June, 1970

He is saying the jiva did NOT generate from a clear sheet of consciousness that is expanding and growing with new souls. This nonsense idea is impersonal because what condition was the individual soul (jivatma) in before it was generated, appeared or created?

Actually, there is NO creation of the living entity because the soul is beginningless!!

When the word ”impersonal origin” is used it means the non existent or inactive state of the jiva as an individual and then from where the soul is generated which really means where the soul originates from.

Some say, ”they generate from a ”clear sheet of consciousness that is growing and producing new souls” however it is this ”impersonal” concept  that Prabhupada rejects –

Srila Prabhupada - "There is no “ NEW” souls. “New'’ and “old'’ are due to this material body, the soul is NEVER born and NEVER dies, so if there is no birth how there can be new soul'' Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970.

Jivas are NOT generated from a clear sheet of consciousness and there are NO new souls, all souls have always been and NEVER created nor can they be annihilated”

Srila Prabhupada rejects the concept that ”souls are generated from a clear sheet of consciousness”

Srila Prabhupada - ''Those who are in the brahman effulgence (Impersonal Brahmajyoti) are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition". Letter to: Revatinandana — Los Angeles 13 June, 1970

Srila Prabhupada - ''When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness''. Letter to: Revatinandana — Los Angeles 13 June, 1970





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  1. Those who claim souls are ''generated from a clear sheet of consciousness'' are preaching impersonalism because this philosophy claims there was a time we did not exist as a conscious individual living entity.

    Srila Prabhupada - "There is no “ NEW” soul. “New'’ and “old'’ are due to this material body. But the soul is NEVER born and NEVER dies, so if there is no birth how there can be new soul'' Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970 .

    Srila Prabhupada – "Those who are in the brahman effulgence they are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness". Los Angeles 13 June, 1970

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