Sunday, March 31, 2019

Srila Prabhupada - "In Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krishna does not want to become a lover like that"

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force. Krishna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" July 8, 1976. Srila Prabhupada - ” So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krishna? Why not become Krishna?’ I immediately fall down. That is natural. A servant is serving the master, but sometimes he may think that, “If I could become the master.” They are thinking like that; they are trying to become God. That is delusion. You cannot become God. That is not possible. But he’s wrongly thinking”. Vipina Purandara - “Why doesn’t Krishna protect us from that desire? Srila Prabhupada - “He’s protecting. He says, “You rascal, don’t desire. Surrender unto Me.” But you are rascal; you do not do this”. Vipina Purandara - “Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that? ” Srila Prabhupada - “That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krishna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.

1 comment:

  1. Each individual jivatma (jiva tattva or soul) never looses their individuality of being a unique person made up by the following characteristics-



    1 - "Personal abilities and talents" unique to each individual soul that gives one "a strong sense of self" that enables one to contribute independently "as a unique person" free from a nonsense "all one" mindless collective (impersonalism borge*) consciousness .



    2 - Unique personal ability to express one's personality and character as a free thinker with the strong sense of "I am a complete individual independent person within myself"



    This IS the jiva tattva's full description and potential as an individual person who is simultaneously an eternal surrended servant (by choice) of Lord Krishna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes being His parts and parcels.



    3 - One's own special unique ability to like or dislike, or choose this side or that side (to be with Krishna or not be with Krishna) thus expressing oneself as an independent individual person.



    Without this quality love can never genuinely exist.



    4 - The individual's right as a person to accept or reject, to provide ideas with personal imputs make us the unique individuals we all are because we do not only accept love, but can each give so much love and service too in OUR unique personal wonderful way!



    This is what personalism is all about!!



    This is why no past Acharays or great devotees would EVER say "once one is in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana they will never fall down.



    This is because all jiva souls are individual independent beings, therefore Krishna CANNOT make that discision for them, that they will never fall from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana once there, ONLY the jiva can make that discision.



    This is because the jiva is NOT part of some mindless smiling impersonal blissful collective, or part of an "all one sharing consciousness group of drones that all think the sameway with their glazed impersonal eyes.



    This version of Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana I reject and is really worse than hell for the jiva.



    Losing one's independent individuality IS hell.



    All individual jivas are NEVER forced to be Krishna's servant because the jivas also have a choice.



    This also includes the "choice" to stay or leave Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana at anytime if the jiva chooses!



    Krishna does promise one will never fall from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana however, that promise is from Krishna's side and He keeps His promise! But the jiva must ALSO agree on their side.



    5 - Therefore, in simple language, those who claim one can NEVER fall down or leave Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana are NOT understanding it is only 10% who choose to fall down or leave Vrindavana and Goloka Vrindavana anyway.



    6 - The fact is, 90% of jivas choose to never leave Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.



    BORGE* (From Star Trek The Next Generation TV fame 1987) A race of beings acting as individuals but with no sense of independent self or individuality, who act as an "all one" collective (also called Mayavadi philosophy.)

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