What does "surrendering" to Krsna (God) really mean?

Having "free will" ALWAYS allows the jiva-souls to voluntarily offer their own unique contributions to Krsna in loving service.

Surrender does NOT mean giving up your "free will" by allowing Krsna to take over your individual personality and controlling your actions and thoughts.

Such "mindless" surrender is impersonalism, which means spiritual suicide because if one gives up their intelligence, freedom of expression and voluntary participation in the name of surrender, then such "impersonal" surrender will extinguish one's unique spiritual enthusiasm, one's individual identity, voluntarily contributions and unique personality, making the jiva-soul no better than dead stone.

We must understand the real meaning of "surrender" instead of the blind naive following going on today. 

There is an obvious reason Krsna always allows "free will" in the Vaikuntha planets and in Goloka-Vrindavana. 

It is to do with having the ability to voluntarily express with your own loving emotions and contributions, and then experience the mystery of loving exchanges with Krsna that even suprise Him because it is not just Krsna doing all the thinking.

In actual fact, real loving exchanges that are the foundations of "surrender" can only happen in a two-sided relationship and NEVER in a one-sided dictatorship.

Without "free will," that includes contributions,  loving voluntary exchanges with Krsna are NOT possible.

How can a "lifeless puppet" in a puppet show express loving emotions when it is ALWAYS controlled and manipulated by the strings in the hands of the puppet master?

Similarly, how can the jiva-souls express loving emotions in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana if Krsna does not allow freedom of spiritual  expression ("free will") and individual independence which is the real meaning of being a contributing  spiritual individual PERSON in God's Kingdom of Goloka-Vrindavana or on the Vaikuntha planets?

Surrendering to Krsna and His pure devotee is NOT impersonal. You will always be a contributing person.

As said above, surrender to Krsna does not mean giving up your personality, intelligence, free will, individuality and the awareness of being an independent unique contributing free thinking PERSON you are eternally.

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is NOT love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture on BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (Lecture on SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness. So how there can be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience? Love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He's so lover of you that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant..." (Lecture on SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Devotee – "Srila Prabhupada, I can’t understand why we can have impure desire when we are already serving Krsna."

Srila Prabhupada – "Because you have got little freedom, it is one's desire."

Devotee – "But in the Srimad Bhagavatam it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come here, why are we here?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, you forced Krsna to allow you to come. Just like sometimes a child forces his father. Father says, “My dear son, do not do this. Do not go there” But he insists, “Oh, I must go. I must go.” “All right, you go at your risk and suffer. What can be done? So because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father,  so God does not interfere with your independence. If you persist that “I must go and enjoy independently,” so God says, “All right, you can go.” This is the position. You have to take sanction. That is a fact. But when you persist, God sanctions. And you come and enjoy." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

The spiritual worlds of  the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana, are NOT a dictatorial domineering impersonal places where everyone is forced to do what ever Krsna and Visnu only want, without the jiva-souls having the right to voluntarily offer their own personal contributions.

For genuine love to exist with Krsna, there must be a voluntary "two-way" relationship based on reciprocation and loving exchanges.

Therefore, the Kingdom of God (Goloka-Vrindavana) is NOT an impersonal mindless stagnant place where everyone is just told what to do. 

No, the fact is both the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana are spiritual abodes where loving exchanges are eternally going on, based on voluntary cooperation, reciprocation, self expression and personal contributions.

That Impersonal mayavadi version of God's Kingdom, where the mislead jiva-soul MUST give up their free will in order to enter Krsna's abode, only leads to a loveless impersonalism and spiritual suicide.  

The jiva-souls are not dead mindless stone, the jiva-souls are ALWAYS endowed with their own unique free will so they can voluntarily choose to be the contributing PERSON they eternally are.

Having "free will" is the constitutional make up of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) that is ALWAYS part and parcel within their eternal character and personality in the spiritual world.

This means the jiva-souls can choose to leave the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana if they want, this is also what "free will" allows and if it didn't, then they have no free will and are no better than dead stone.

This is why it is foolish and sad that big, big sannyasi and gurus claim once entering the spiritual world, the jiva-souls can never fall down again because they surrendered their free will and right to again fall down.

Such nonsense guru's and sannyasis masquerading as devotees of Krsna, are actually impersonalists and do not even know it.

The fact is, the jiva-souls CAN fall down again and again and again if they choose to do so. 

This proves they have free will

And such fall downs have nothing to do with Maya (material energy), it is simply free will because Maya or material energy does NOT exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.

The choice to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana is possible because Krsna allows love to be a "two-way" street, this means one can accept or reject Krsna if they choose to do so.

Srila Prabhupada  - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Excerpt from: Philosophy Discussions with Srila Prabhupada – Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada – “You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We CAN misuse that." (Conversation, Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

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Syamasundara - "But can we predict returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however some do come back?''

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time".

Syamasundara - "And some come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."

Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence, he CAN fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is NOT to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again." (Discussions with Syamasundara > Henri Bergson)

If Krsna forced you to love Him in a "one-way" totalitarian dictatorship, then how can such an impersonal existence freely express genuine loving affection when the jiva-souls are denied their own freedom of choice?

Loving relationships can only work in a "two-way" exchange based on reciprocation and loving selfless service with two involved in sharing loving exchanges.

In this way, the Kingdom of God is NEVER a domineering "one-way" bullying dictatorship run by a forceful so called God.

No! Krsna is not like that at all.

The fact is, such a "one-way" impersonal master/servant dictatorship is actually a loveless relationship that only destroy one's real freedom of expression (free will) and having a sense of individual self and unique personality independent from Krsna's Personality.

The fact is, the jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana can choose how to serve Krsna in their own unique way, or even reject Krsna if they choose.

Such freedom to do good or bad MUST be there if love is to truly exist. 

There must ALWAYS be the "free will" to reject Krsna too if one choose, otherwise there is no meaning to having loving exchanges with Krsna.

Each individual jiva-soul ALWAYS has their "marginal right" to make their own unique personal contributions to Krsna that they can choose to offer as the perpetual independent servant they are eternally.

No two jiva-souls are the same, each has their own unique individual personality and character eternally  in their loving exchanges with Krishna.

Srila Prabhupāda - ''Unless there are two persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange. Giving something, taking something, feeding something and to eat something, and speaking everything, no secrecy, and to know everything of the other person. When these things are transacted, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Evening Darsana, Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

The jiva-soul NEVER lose their free will, which is their individual ability of self expression, when offering their own personal contributions of service that are unique to each individual jiva-souls 

Each jiva-soul (marginal living entity) has this eternal marginal quality, which is part and parcel of there perpetual make up or constitution as the marginal living entity they are eternally.

In this way, each jiva-soul has their own individual sense of self, character and personality separate from Krsna's Personality, and being a unique one of a kind in the Spiritual Sky different from all other jiva-souls as part of their marginal make up.

Again it is important to understand this means that no two jiva-souls are the same.

This eternally existing spiritual social code, that includes free will and an independent personal sense of individual self, make up the character and personality of each jiva soul who is without any beginning or ending point.

These qualities are part and parcel of every marginal living entities (jiva-souls) eternal constitution.

This allows the jiva-soul to personally always be aware that they are a unique individual independent PERSON while serving Krsna, being different from all other living entities in the Spiritual Sky.

Free will means it is the jiva-soul's choice of how to they want surrender and serve Krsna also, or even NOT surrender if they choose.

Although that is rare, the fact is, more than 90% of jiva-souls NEVER choose to foolishly reject Krsna, only less than 10% choose to reject Krsna and therefore enter the material creation Prabhupada has told us.

If the jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana reject Visnu or Krsna, then they obviously cannot stay there in the Spiritual Worlds.

The only place available to them is the temporary material creation meant for those who CHOOSE to reject Krsna also.

Maya or material energy does NOT exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.

If the jiva-souls choose to stay in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, or choose to enter the material creation, it is THEIR free will that allows them to make that choice and nobody elses including Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling, then there is love. Not by force! Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!"(Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "Because you are son of God you have got independence, so God does not interfere with your little independence. If you persist that “I must go and enjoy independently'', God says, “All right, you can go and enjoy." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada says in "Nectar of Devotion", that just like the Sun-disc cannot be separated from the sun-rays, similarly Krsna has no meaning without the association of His loving devotees.

In Krsna Book Prabhupada further explains-

Srila Prabhupada - "As the sun disc and the sunshine cannot be separated, similarly Kṛṣṇa and His bodily rays, the brahmajyoti, cannot be separated." (Krsna Book, 89)

The relationship between Krsna and His jiva-tattva expansions (marginal living entities) is NEVER one-sided.

Marginal potency also means the jiva-souls, "who are the marginal potency,"  have free will.

The jiva-souls are never forced to surrender and therefore the relationship is never impersonal.

One's eternal relationship with Krsna is ALWAYS based on respectful reciprocation, nurturing and voluntary service based on free will executed in a two-way exchange, ONLY then can there be REAL love in the relationship with Kṛṣṇa.

In this way Srila Prabhupada explained to us many years ago-

“If you love me, then I will love you”

Love therefore is based on the reciprocation between two individuals. Love does NOT exist if there is only one, there must be two.

Even Krsna divided Himself into two, (Radharani and Krsna), just so He can experience loving exchanges and reciprocation in a "two-way" exchange.  

Srila Prabhupada has given us the example that there must always be loving cooperation, exchanges and reciprocation, and responding with each other with selfless kindness.

In other words, love can NEVER exist with just ONE, there MUST always be loving exchanges and cooperation between TWO.

The fact is more than 90% of all living entities (jiva-souls) choose to NEVER fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana, because that is THEIR choice and has nothing to do with Maya or material energy.

That expression of "freedom" or "free will" in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, is always eternally part and parcel of the marginal living entities natural constitution and has always existed in their individual nature eternally.

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The jiva-soul or marginal living entity has 78.125% of Krsna's quantities, which is 50 of His 64 qualities.

This puts the marginal living entity in the realm of having their own ability to express themselves, having their own sense of independent self, identity, individuality, unique character and personality separate from Krsna's Personality, allowing them to choose for themselves.

This means the jiva-souls have the freedom to agree, or not agree with Krsna if they choose.

This quality of individuality and independence allows the jiva-souls the ability to choose Krsna, or choose to be separate from Krsna and enter the material creation.

Remember, Maya and the material energy do NOT exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, so MAYA is unknown to the jiva-souls in both the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana.

However, having "free will" and an independent personality separate from Krsna's Personality, gives the jiva-soul a unique sense of individual responsibility and ability to make their own choices.  

This allows the jiva-souls to express themselves in their own unique way as an individual person independent from Krsna's control over them in the spiritual world.

These qualities are eternal, and are the constitutional makeup of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.

The Visnu-tattva (direct expansions of God) and Visnu-"sakti"-tattva expansions (different direct Personalities of Krsna who are Krsna's internal energy headed by Radharani and associated including many family members) of Krsna have 60 of Krsna's 64 qualities (93.75%)

Visnu-tattva and Visnu-"sakti"-tattva are all "one" with Krsna, playing an unlimited variety different roles.

Only the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are separate individuals who  can express themselves in "seperate way" from Krsna, including disageeing with Him if they choose, which means they have free will.

As said above, the Visnu-tattva personalities and Visnu-"sakti"-tattvas ARE Krsna just playing unlimited roles in Krsna's own pastimes.

An example of Visnu "sakti"-tattva is Mother Yasoda, she is not a jiva-soul, she is a direct expansion of Krsna. 

In other words, just like Krsna is also Balarāma, and Radharani is also Krsna but in a different mood, Mother Yasoda is also an expansion of Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "Nanda and mother Yasoda are the eternal father & mother of Krsna. This means that whenever Krsna descends, Nanda and Yasoda, as well as Vasudeva and Devaki, also descend as the Lord's father and mother. Their personalities are expansions of Krsna's personal body." (SB, Canto 10.8.48)

There are no new jiva-souls being created by Krsna, Maha-Visnu, or the impersonal brahmajyoti. 

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 20 explains the jiva-souls have existed for “infinity”

This means, just like Krsna, they are beginning less and endless, and were NEVER created-

Bhagavad Gita - “For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.” (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 12 also confirms the jiva-souls were NEVER created because they have no origin and have existed for infinity like Krsna has, as Krsna explains-

Bhagavad Gita - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG 2.12)

Being "marginal" means having the choice to be influenced by the spiritual energy or the material energy-

1 - The jiva-souls nature position and full potential in the spiritual world is always being connected to the spiritual energy.

2 - Or by the material energy which is an unnatural or incompatible "conditioned state" the jiva-soul is in.

As said above, the real meaning of "marginal" means the jiva-souls can choose to be influenced by either the spiritual energy, or the material energy, based on the expression of their free will.

The jiva-souls (marginal living entities) were NEVER created, they are beginningless and endless and have ALWAYS existed over infinity.

But sadly, many foolish gurus, sannyasis, scholars and teachers of Vedic knowledge cannot understand these facts.  

Srila Prabhupada - "Even in Vaikuntha you can choose not to serve Krsna if you want."

Vipina Purandara - "Why doesn’t Krsna protect us from that desire?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He is protecting. Krsna says, "You rascal, don’t desire like that, surrender unto Me." But you are rascal; you do not do this."

Vipina Purandara - "Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?''

Srila Prabhupada - "That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, if you catch one girl or boy and demand, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ Is it love? You love me, otherwise I will kill you! Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that." (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

They are different expressions of Krsna's Personality playing another role in His own pastimes, they ARE Krsna in another role unlike the jiva-souls who each have their own unique identity and personality totally separate and independent from Krsna's Personality.

If "free will" is taken away from the marginal living entities (jiva-souls), then they lose the ability to give and accept love, the jiva-soul becomes no better than dead stone Prabhupada has told us, or just a mindless robot, slave or drone.

For love to truly exist, the jiva-souls MUST have their free will that is part and parcel of their marginal constitutional make up.

As said above, free will allows the jiva souls to choose for themselves how they want to serve Krsna with voluntary contributions in a selflessness mood (the real meaning of surrender) in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana at all times.

Sadly, a small minority do choose to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan (less than 10% Prabhupada has explained above), regardless of how some Sangas claim no one can ever fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana once there.

This is not true, the fact is the jiva-soul CAN leave the Spiritual World any time they want to.

To say those in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana will "never ever fall down IS true, but ONLY for those who CHOOSE NOT to fall down. 

In other words, if the jiva-soul wants to leave they certainly can.

To make the blanket nonsense comment that "not even the leaves fall down from Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana" does NOT take into consideration the "free will" of the jiva-souls and is nonsense.

They should try and understand what Prabhupada said, that over 90% of jiva-souls have NEVER entered the material creation.

To leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana and end up in the material creation is ultimately the jiva-soul's individual right and choice, and Krsna does not interfere with that choice.

Even though Krsna has promised there is no return to the material creation, the fact is there IS return if the jiva-souls wants to return as Prabhupada explains here-

Acyutananda – "In the Bhagavad Gita it says once coming to the spiritual world, he never again returns to the material world, so He can return?"

Srila Prabhupada – "If he likes he can return, that is voluntary."

Guru-kripa – "How is it that one can become envious of Krsna?"

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence, you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God. God has got full independence, but you have got independence too, proportionately, because you are part and parcel, so if he likes, he can return. That independence has to be accepted. We can misuse that. Krsna-bahirmukha haïä bhoga väïchä kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown." (Conversation, Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

Returning home back to Godhead is not necessarily permanent Prabhupada explains as follows, that choice to stay or go is also the jiva-souls choice too.

It is not just a one way decision that Krsna makes, no, real loving exchanges can NEVER exist without free will.

For loving devotion to truly exist with the marginal living entity, the jiva-soul MUST have the right to choose to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana at anytime if they want, therefore returning there is not necessarily permanent Prabhupada explains here.

For those who believe no one can ever fall down from Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, have NOT understood these clear points explained by Prabhupada.

Many also do not understand the variety of living entities in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, and that it is only a very small minority of jiva-souls who do choose to leave.

The majority do not even know the material creation exists not care.

The fact is, there are many different other inhabitants of Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana too who are NOT jiva-soul and never fall down by choice because they are more direct expansions of Krsna, such as the Visnu-tattva and Visnu-"sakti"-tattvas who are Krsna Himself just playing another role in His own pastimes.

Therefore, they NEVER fall down because they ARE Krsna and NOT jiva-tattva or jiva-soul.

They are simultaneously His eternal associates and Krsna Himself experiencing Himself in unlimited different ways.

So for the Visnu-tattvas, and Visnu-"sakti"-tattvas, they choose just like Krsna does because they ARE Krsna just playing a different role in His pastimes.

Just like the Pancha-tattva where only one out the the five is jiva-tattva, all the rest are a variety of different expansions from Krsna's Personality.

And for over 90% of the jiva-souls, who ALWAYS have the ability to choose as an independent person, they also NEVER fall down or leave either because they NEVER "choose" to do so but can if they want too, that free will is ALWAYS there.

Devotee - "Well, I believe you once said that once a conditioned soul becomes perfected and gets out of the material world and he goes to Krsnaloka, there’s no possibility of falling back."

Srila Prabhupada - No! There IS possibility, but he does not come IF he is intelligent. Just like after putting your hand in the fire, you never put it again. So those who are going back to Godhead, they must become intelligent. Why going back to Godhead? Just like we are in renounced order of life. So we have renounced our family life after thinking something. Now, if somebody comes, “Swamiji, you take thousand millions of dollars and marry again and become a family man,” I’ll never become, because I have got my bad experience. I’ll never become." (Discussions with Syamasundara Dasa)

Note, Prabhupada says above, "if he is intelligent" indicating there will be some who are NOT intelligent and again will fall down to the material world.

Srila Prabhupada has explained there will ALWAYS be a very small minority of only the jiva-souls, less than 10% (not the Visnu-"sakti"-tattva or Visnu-tattva "direct expansions"of Krsna)

Dr. John Mize – "Did all the jiva-souls that were in the spiritual sky (the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavan) fall out of the spiritual sky at once or at different times, or are there any jiva-souls that are always good, they’re not foolish, they don’t fall down?"

Srila Prabhupada – "No, there are majority, 90%, they are always good. They never fall down."

Dr. John Mize – "So we’re among the 10%."

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, or less than that. In the material, whole material world all the living entities they are… Just like in the prison house, there is some population, but they are not majority. The majority of the population, they are outside the prison house. Similarly, majority of living being, part and parcel of God, they are in the spiritual world. Only a few fall down."

Dr. John Mize – "Does Krsna know ahead of time that a jiva-soul is going to be foolish and fall?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Krsna? Yes, Krsna may know because He is omniscient."

Dr. John Mize – "Are more jiva-souls falling all the time?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Not all the time. But there is the tendency of fall down, not for all, but because there is independence. Everyone is not liking to misuse the independence. The same example, just like a government constructing a city and constructs also prison house because the government knows that somebody will be criminal. So their shelter must be also constructed. It is very easy to understand. Not that cent percent population will be criminal, but government knows that some of them will be. Otherwise why they construct prison house also? One may say, "Where is the criminal? You are constructing." Government knows, there will be criminal. So if the ordinary government can know, why God cannot know? Because there is tendency."

Dr. John Mize – "The origin of that tendency (to fall from Goloka) is?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes."

Dr. John Mize – "From where does that tendency come?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Tendency means the independence. So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force. Therefore Krsna says,yathecchasi tathä kuru. “Now you do whatever you like." (BG, As It Is. lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Only the jiva-souls can misuse their free will and "choose" to leave if they want.

"Free will" for the jiva-souls is eternal in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan, and without this freedom to be able to choose to either forget or remember Krsna, then the jiva-soul would have no individuality, no independent personality, and no ability to love, the jiva-soul would simply be mindless ''yes men and woman'' like machine drones in a factory, or like a dead stone Prabhupada has tells us here.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will. But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - "As soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice," "Yes," Kṛṣṇa says, "yes, you can go." Otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Kṛṣṇa is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this." It is free will." (Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course, May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Srila Prabhupada - "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot fall down, that is not independence, that is force. Therefore Krsna says, yathecchasi tathä kuru. “Now you do whatever you like." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

In Bhagavad-Gita As It Is Krsna promises the jiva-souls they will NEVER fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana to the material creation, and yes, Krsna will always keeps His promise, but Krsna's promise of NEVER falling down to the material creation once there, is from Krsna's point of view, so does the jiva-soul also have to accept His promise as final?

In other words, does this mean the jiva-souls have no choice and can NEVER "choose" to leave Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana even if they want to leave?

Krsna's promise, confirmed in Bhagavad-Gita As It Is says that once reaching Vaikuntha the jiva-soul will never again fall down to the material World, is true for most souls, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM simply because some jiva-souls choose to reject Krsna's promise.

Those great souls who quote Krsna's promise from Bhagavad Gita ARE right for the majority of jiva-souls, which is about 90% in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana who NEVER do fall down or leave to enter the material creation, but NOT all jiva-souls!

This is because each jiva-soul has THEIR own free will and independent thinking, this means it is THEIR choice if they stay or leave and NOT just Krsnas.

In other words, Krsna's promise is NOT binding or absolute law with all marginal living entities because the jiva-souls have their own free will to make THEIR own choices.

Srila Prabhupada explains Krsna's promise and gives the proper explanation in full saying a small minority of jiva-souls do choose to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana AGAIN and puts that figure at less than 10%.

So why do some jiva-souls fall down?

To understand this one must realize that ultimately LOVE is not just a one-way, one-sided affair or dictatorship, real love is based on reciprocation and loving exhanges between two, not just one, meaning NOT just Krsna.

Therefore we must NOT forget the jiva-soul's right of expression too, the jiva-souls ALSO have THEIR choices and say too expressed from THEIR point of view.

This is because love is always based on reciprocation, a two way street between two.

Only impersonalists preach that "surrender" means giving up free will, individuality, and that everyone should become "little Krsna imitaters".

It is a fact Krsna can do anything He wants to do however, if Kṛṣṇa forced His will and complete dominance on the jiva-souls, then they would be no better than dead stone Prabhupada tells us.

Such absolute one way control by this kind of God will only totally destroy the jiva-soul's independent expression of individuality and there natural eternal constitution right of self expression and free will (freedom).

And if Krsna DID FORCE the jiva-souls to love Him, then how can that be real genuine love as Prabhupada explains above.

By promising He will NEVER let the jiva-souls fall from Vaikuntha again by forcing the jiva-souls to comply and stay IS seen as interfering with the free will and individuality of the jiva-souls.

Being marginal means free will.

This is because, they too are entitled to THEIR choice of serving or even not serving Krsna if they choose.

The fact is Krsna will NEVER make that decision for the jiva-soul, otherwise one's sense of free will is violated, and there can be no question of love if the jiva-soul has no right to choose for themselves.

Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krsna give us free will if He knew we would miss use it?"

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

"Free will" or freedom is something never acquired, nor ever given up or surrendered in the Spiritual World as ignorant fools believe.

Free will is eternally part and parcel of the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) natural constitution and therefore ALWAYS exists without beginning or end in the Spiritual Planets.

However, free will in its full potential, is ONLY fully experienced in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan, which is the jiva-souls original perpetual home.

Ultimately in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, it is also the jiva-soul's choice of how to serve and NOT just Krsna's dictates because He ONLY wants loving servants who "choose" to be with Him through their own free will and personal offerings of service.

Krsna only wants the jiva-souls to serve and love Him voluntarily and will NEVER force then to serve Him by saying 

"Once you are in Goloka Vrindavana, NEVER again will you leave here or fall down".

No, that is NOT Krsna's m call because it is NOT only His choice, a loving relationship can only exist when there are two consenting personalities.

Therefore it is also the jiva-soul's choice to REMAIN there as servant of the servant as weĺl, or even leave Goloka Vrindavana if they want too.

Only fools and sentimental ignorant so called Vaishnavas do not understand the fact that jiva-souls can leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana anytime they like.

The jiva-soul's independent nature actually allows them to make their own choices, including leaving the Spiritual World if they choose.

The relationship between servant and Master is NEVER oneway, never impersonal, it is a perpetual relationship based on "reciprocation", based on loving exchanges between TWO.

The promise by Krsna that the jiva-soul will never again fall down into the material world, is from Krsna's point of view as explained above that the jiva-soul CAN reject if they choose.

Ultimately it is NOT only Krsna's will and complete control, no, it is a joint decision between the jiva-souls and Krsna.

This is what loving exchanges are.

The spiritual worlds are NOT a dictatorships where one is a yes man or women, denying their free will and personal contributions or offerings.

And yes, over 90% of jiva-soul's do "choose" to accept Krsna's promise and NEVER leave the spiritual worlds. 

As said above this means less than 10% "do choose" to leave, and that is their right.

The fact is, each jiva-soul is an independent unique individual with 78.125% of Krsna's qualities and attributes with their own personality, sense of self and unique identity.

Devotee – "In Srimad Bhagavatam, it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here?"

Srila Prabhupada - "That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

The jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana are forever expanding their expression of individuality with personal offerings based on free will and selfless loving reciprocation with Krsna, it is NEVER a one sided master/slave relationship with the God.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!"(Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Real love or Bhakti is reciprocal, as said above, it is NEVER a one way street where surrender to Krsna takes away one's sense of self, individuality and personal contributions.

This is important to understand because each individual jiva-soul has their own independent personality, sense of self and unique personality and characteristics that THEY only have, that is part and parcel of each individual marginal living entities make up as the independent unique "person" they are eternally.

Srila Prabhupada - "Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. "So God does not interfere with your independence." (Conversation Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)*^*^