The fact is, genuine loving exchanges and service are based on voluntary contributions in a two-way reciprocal relationship, and is not possible in a one-sided forceful domination of the jiva-souls.
In the Kingdom of God (Krsnaloka), personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges expressed through free will are always encouraged by Krsna.
Krsna wants each jiva-soul to think for themselves and serve Him voluntarily in the way they choose.
Surrending and entering Gods Kingdom does not mean giving up your free will and unique independent personality, and just became like a mindless puppet controlled by the strings of the puppeteer.
The fact is we already understand that the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) can never exist independently from Krsna, even though they can express their independent nature separate from Krsna's Personality because of the free will that Krsna provides them.
Krsna provides free will for the purpose of encouraging and allowing a "two-way" voluntary thoughtful exchange of loving emotions and feelings between Himself and the jiva-souls.
Krsna allows this to encourage unique individual contributions on a personal bases from the jiva-souls.
This is why each jiva-soul has their own unique personality and characteristics also separate from Krsna's Personality and His Characteristics.
Every jiva-soul is a unique individual person.
For example, Krsna may like katchoris better than any other offering while many jiva-souls, like me, prefer a curd subji over Katchoris.
In other words, the jiva-souls and Kṛṣṇa are individually independent from each other regarding their personalities, even to the point the jiva-souls can completely reject Krsna if they choose.
In Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges expressed through free will are always encouraged by Krsna in His relationship with the jiva-souls, that adds flavour, variety and mystery to the association.
This means the Kingdom of God is NOT a one-sided forceful dominating "impersonal" domain devoid of free will that does not allow personal contributions or offerings to God (Krsna) from the jiva-souls meant to expand, enrich and flavour the relationship.
As said above, love or service is not a "one-sided" affiliate of total supremacy or preeminence.
In other words the Kingdom of God is not a dictatorship.
Genuine loving relations and service are based on voluntary reciprocal exhanges and contributions between two and never the demands of just one!
No, Krsna is not like that at all, in fact He serves His associates and friends more than they can ever serve Him.
The individual jiva-souĺs have their choices too and Krsna knows and respects that, even if that choose to reject Him.
Free will only has meaning when the jiva-souls can express themselves in a "two-sided" affair.
In other words, loving reciprocation is only possible in a "two-way" exchange with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.
The word "reciprocation" only has meaning when there are two involved, not one! Free will only has meaning when the jiva-souls can express themselves in an open "two-sided" affair.
Being able to reject Krsna proves that "free will" does truly exist.
Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will." (Philosophy Discussions with Rene Descartes)
Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force." (Mayapur, June 20, 1973)
Having free will is the eternal constitutional make up of every marginal living entity (jiva-soul), and is the foundation for the jiva-soul's voluntary relationship with Krsna.
Srila Prabhupāda – ''Love means a relationship between "two persons", then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (August 9, 1976, Tehran)
Even though Krsna allows this freedom for His amusement to see what happens when the jiva-souls are given freedom, He always remains the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.
Just like the Sun-disc and the sun-rays cannot exist separately from each other, similarly Krsna cannot exist separately from His living entities (parts and parcels) and the living entities cannot exist without Krsna.
Each jiva-soul (marginal living entity) is a one of a kind independent individual with their own unique personality and character different separate from Krsna's Personality and Character, and different from other jiva-souls and expansions of Kṛṣṇa.
No two individual jiva-souls are the same, and no jiva-souls can ever become Krsna, Visnu or Siva.
Loving devotional service to Krsna is always is based on a two-way voluntary exchange of personal feelings manifesting as loving acts of devotion between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees, who voluntarily contribute their own unique expressions (offerings) to Him as the real act of surrendering to Krsna's will that does not deny the free will of each individual jiva-soul.
On the other hand, actions expressed in a one-way domineering forceful mood from a "so called God" in His Kingdom that denies personal voluntary contributions expressed in a two-way exchange of feelings, only leaves the jiva-souls no better than dead useless stone.
Such a cold none productive relationship is dangerous impersonalism.
Personalism means a "two-way" relationship that includes voluntary loving exchange of feelings that expands, enriches and multiplies loving affection, sentiment and exchanges between the jiva-souls and Krsna.
Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)
Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture on BG Chapter 9 text 2-5, New York, Nov 23, 1966)
Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed by only one, there must be two. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (SB Canto 1 Chapter 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada - ''The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (SB Canto 2 Chapter 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)
Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"
Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."
Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"
Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first]: Yes, they are more covered. Just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."
Hari-sauri - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"
Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world. There that is voluntary. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, then he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (Srimad Bhagavatam 6.1.1-4 - Melbourne, May 20, 1975)
All the individual personal contributions from the jiva-souls are forever expanding their unique ability of self expression in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.
This allows them to always make voluntary offerings to Krsna that forever increase and expand loving emotions in healthy two-way exchange between Kṛṣṇa and the individual jīva-souls.
It is very important to understand that the individual jiva-souls are "persons" with their own unique individual feelings of self expression existing always in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.
It must be clearly understood for love to truly exist, each individual jiva-soul must have their free will so they can contribute in their own way and make their own choices in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, even if it means choosing to leave Krsna, otherwise there can be no question of genuine love or service.
Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)
This quality or attribute of free will is part of the jiva-soul's marginal constitutional nature, as an independent free thinking part and parcel expansion of the Krsna.
Krsna allows this freedom that all jiva-souls have because without free will loving exchanges and reciprocation can never exist.
Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that." (Mayapur, February 19, 1976)
As said above, having free will is the constitutional make up of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) that is always part and parcel of their eternal character and personality in the spiritual worlds.
This means the jiva-souls can even choose to leave the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana if they want. Free will always allows this because if it didn't, then there is no question of loving exchanges.
Being a marginal living entity (jiva-soul) means free will.
The choice to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana is possible because Krsna allows a "two-way" relationship, this means one can accept or reject Krsna if they choose to do so.
There is no such thing as permanently staying in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana simply because the the jiva-souls can leave anytime they like, and Krsna does not interfere with their free will.
If Krsna did interfere then there is no such thing as free will.
Outside of Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana in the mundane material creation, many terrible things are constantly happening but taken for granted due to the ignorance of those trapped in the material creation.
Like the unnatural painful cycle of birth, disease, old age and death the jiva-souls experience while covered by a material bodily vessel foolishly taken for granted.
Frustration in the constantly changing (decaying) material creation, will always be experienced by those foolish jiva-souls who do choose to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana and enter the material creation.
This is because the material creation is always in a constantly progressive state of decay, decline and forgetfulness where one's material bodily vessel will always wear out, breaks down due to decay, and die
But the jiva-soul, covered by the material temporary body, is eternal and therefore is never subjected to decay or decline, but sadly is forced to continuously change material bodies because of the temporary nature of the material creation.
The suffering of the individual jiva-soul within this temporary material nature trspped in a material body, does not happen because of Krsna, He is not responsible for the jiva-soul's choices.
No, Krsna is not responsible for the suffering of the individual jiva-souls who have chosen to enter the material creation, even though the massive Brahmanda material universes (1/4 of the spiritual sky) are Krsna's creation, built by His expansion Maha-Visnu.
In fact, they were built to give those jiva-souls leaving Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, facilities so they can experience their desires separated from Kṛṣṇa and His Spiritual planets (3/4 of the spiritual sky.
The suffering in the material creation happens because at one point in the spiritual worlds, the individual jiva-soul chose to misuse their free will given to them by Krsna.
Krsna gave the jiva-souls free will for the purpose to allow voluntary diversity meant to encourage individual offerings and loving exchanges, but also allows the jiva-souls to reject Krsna if they want.
Therefore, as a result of misusing their free will, the jiva-souls are forced by their own actions to enter the temporary material creation and become entangled in repeated cycle of birth and death.
In the material creation free will almost does not exist, nearly all species of life (except for humans) are governed by the urges of eating, sleeping or mating and defending and not Karmic reactions.
Only in the human form of life are the jiva-souls responsibility for their actions in all the different material universes within Maha-Visnu's multi-universe material creation.
The spherical material massive universal shells coming from Maha-Visnu, are called Brahmandas.
Deep inside each Brahmanda universe is a secondary universe created by Garbhodakashayi Visnu, who is an expansion of Maha-Visnu.
From Garbhodakashayi Visnu Brahma is born who builds the many planetary systems within the inner material universe inside the Brahmanda as painting below reveals.
As said above, Krsna will never interfere with the individual jiva-soul's free will because if he did, the jiva-souls would have no independent sense of self, or the ability to accept, experience and respond with genuine personal loving exchanges and service.
Without an independent sense of unique self of having personal individual abilities that allows one to choose for themselves how to voluntary serve Kṛṣṇa by contributing in their own way, based on loving exchanges and reciprocation, then how can there be genuine love?
These individual unique qualities are the characteristics that make the jiva-soul (marginal living entity) the individual person they are eternally.
Love or service in the spiritual worlds are never a "one-way street", love can only exist when "two" are exchanging loving feelings to each other.
Only then when there is reciprocation and exchanges of loving service between Kṛṣṇa and His devotee, does love truly exist.
Only when "two" are voluntarily involved in reciprocating with each other can love exist.
In this way, real love or service is always based on a "two-way exchange of feelings".
As said above, that means offering individual contributions that will enhance, expand and perpetually uplift the relationship between Krsna and His marginal living entities (jiva-souls).
This can only exist if the jiva-souls are allowed to express their own independent individuality, and unique free will without interference (forced surrender) from Krsna.
As already explained if Krsna did force His will on the jiva-souls, then there can never be genuine loving exchanges because denying free will is also denying the jiva-souls to voluntary contribute the very best of their unique individuality.
Srila Prabhupāda - ''Unless there are "two persons", where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange. When these things are transacted, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things MUST be there''. (Evening Darsana, August 9, 1976, Tehran)
Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)
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Having "free will" is the eternal constitutional make up of EVERY "marginal living entity", and is the foundation for ALL jiva-soul's relationship with Krsna.
It is VERY important to understand that the individual jiva-souls are "PERSONS" with their own unique individual feelings of self expression existing always in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.
It must be clearly understood for love to truly exist, each jiva-soul MUST have their free will to make their own choices, even if it means leaving Krsna if they choose, otherwise there can be no question of genuine love or service.
This quality or attribute of free will is part of the jiva-soul's marginal constitutional nature, as an independent free thinking part and parcels expansion of the Krsna.
Krsna allows this freedom that all jiva-souls have because without free will loving exchanges and reciprocation can NEVER exist.
Srila Prabhupada – “You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We CAN misuse that. (Mayapur, February 19, 1976)
Having "free will" is the constitutional make up of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) that is ALWAYS part and parcel of their eternal character and personality in the Spiritual Worlds.
This means the jiva-souls can even choose to leave the Vaikuntha Planets or Goloka-Vrindavana if they want.
Free will always allows this and if it didn't then there is no question of loving exchanges.
Being a marginal living entity (jiva-soul) means free will.
The choice to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana IS possible because Krsna allows a "two-way" relationship, this means one can accept or reject Krsna if they choose to do so.
There is no such thing as permanently staying in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana simply because the the jiva-souls can leave anytime they like, and Krsna does not interfere with the jiva-souls free will.
If Krsna did interfere then there is no such thing as free will.
Sadly in the mundane material creation, so many terrible things are constantly happening but taken for granted due to ignorance.
Like the unnatural painful cycle of birth, disease, old age and death the jiva-souls experience while covered by a material body foolishly taken for granted.
Frustration in the constantly changing (decaying) material creation, will always be experienced by those foolish jiva-souls who do choose to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana and enter the material creation.
This is because the material creation is ALWAYS in a constantly progressive state of decay, decline and forgetfulness where one's material body will always wear out, breaks down and die
But the jiva-soul, covered by the material temporary body, is eternal and therefore is NEVER subjected to decay or decline, but sadly IS forced to continuously change material bodies because of the temporary nature of the material creation.
The suffering of the individual jiva-soul within this temporary material nature, does NOT happen because of Krsna, He is not responsible for the jiva-soul's choices.
No, Krsna is NOT responsible for the suffering of the individual jiva-souls who have chosen to enter the mundane material creation, even though the massive Brahmanda material universes are Krsna's creation, built by His expansion Maha-Visnu.
The suffering in the material creation happens because at one point in the Spiritual Worlds, the individual jiva-soul has "chosen" to misuse their "free will", given to them by Krsna for the purpose of allowing voluntary diversity meant to encourage individual offerings and loving exchanges.
Therefore, as a result of mistakingly misusing their free will, the jiva-soul is forced by their own actions, to enter the temporary material creation and become entangled in the repeated cycle of birth and death.
As said above the massive spherical material universal shells coming from Maha Visnu, are called Brahmandas, ours is 44 quadrillion 444 trillion 444 billion miles in diameter.
Deep inside each Brahmanda is a secondary universe created by Garbhodakashayi Visnu, who is an expansion of Maha Visnu.
Our inner secondary material universe according to the 5th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam, is only 4 billion miles in diameter, very small compared to the massive surrounding Brahmanda universe our small universe is deep within.
From Garbhodakashayi Visnu Brahma is born who builds the many planetary systems within the inner material universe, ours has 14 planetary systems and our Earth globe is in the middle planetary system.
As said above, Krsna will NEVER interfere with the individual jiva-soul's free will because if he did, the jiva-souls would have no independent sense of self, or the ability to accept, experience and respond with genuine personal loving exchanges and service.
Without an independent sense of "unique self" of having personal individual abilities that allows one to "choose" for themselves how to voluntary serve Kṛṣṇa by contributing in their own way, based on loving exchanges and reciprocation, then how can there be genuine love?
These individual unique qualities are the characteristics that make the jiva-soul (marginal living entity) the individual PERSON they are eternally.
Love or service in the Spiritual Worlds are NEVER a "one-way street", love can ONLY exist when "two" are exchanging loving feelings to each other.
Only then when there is reciprocation and exchanges of loving service between Kṛṣṇa and His devotee, does love truly exist.
Only when "two" are voluntarily involved in reciprocating with each other can love exist.
In this way, real love or service is ALWAYS based on a "two-way exchange of feelings".
As said above, that means offering individual contributions that will enhance, expand and perpetually uplift the relationship between Krsna and His marginal living entities (jiva-souls).
This can ONLY exist if the jiva-souls are allowed to express their own independent individuality, and unique free will without interference (forced surrender) from Krsna.
As already explained if Krsna did force His will on the jiva-souls, then there can NEVER be genuine loving exchanges because denying free will is also denying the jiva-souls to voluntary contribute the very best of their unique individuality.
In the Spiritual World or Kingdom of God (Goloka-Vrindavana), loving service can never be a one-way or one-sided affair, no, real love or service is always an exchange of voluntary loving exchanges between two in a two-way relationship.
Surrendering one's "free will" to Krsna so He has complete control over the jiva-soul's every thought and actions, just like a puppet master has absolute control over his puppets, to a Vaisnava, is dangerous impersonalism.
Srila Prabhupada - "In Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C).
Such impersonalism is just like a puppet master controls his mindless puppet by moving the strings.
The puppet has no sense of life, freedom or independence, similarly if Krsna had full control over the individual jiva-soul's ability to make their own choices, it would deny the jiva-souls from experiencing their own personal sense of an independent self, and being able to make their OWN decisions and choices of offering their own personal unique contributions.
Sadly this type of bogus surrender, where immature leaders demand you surrender your free will and let Krsna flow through you and do all the thinking for you is Impersonalism.
This is a serious problem for some trying to understand what "surrendering" to Krsna (God) really means.
The fact is, if Krsna had full dictatorial control over the jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan, then how could they independently offering anything?
Such a "one-sided" relationship is only empty impersonalism that is slaverly and devoid of real love.
Only a fool would want to be Krsna's mindles slave by attempting to extinguish their individuality, free will and independence thoughts, that makes them the "unique" PERSON they are eternally.
Therefore all jiva-souls CAN make their own choices and contribute to the relationship they have with Krsna.
Such a nonsense "one-sided" dictatorial relationship in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana would simply make the jiva-souls no better than "mindless" lifeless dead stone Prabhupada has warned, just like a lifeless puppet controlled by strings!
Therefore the jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan ALWAYS have their own independent "free will" that is part and parcel of their unique individual marginal identity (As jiva-soul)
This "freedom" of having free will, allows the jiva-souls to each make their own unique personal offerings and voluntary contributions to Visnu or Krsna, where each jiva-soul can offer or serve Krsna in their own unique personal way.
This is REAL freedom.
In this way each individual jiva-soul has their own special unique (personal) association and relationship with Krsna that no other jiva-soul has like theirs.
These loving exchanges are based on a "two-way" relationship between Krsna and the jiva-souls.
However, in the temporary material creation, it is different because those who have entered the material creation have previously chosen to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan by rejecting Visnu in Vaikuntha or Krsna in Goloka Vrindavana.
So why then does Krsna allow the jiva-souls to have their independent freedom to even leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan if they choose?
Devotee – "In the Srimad-Bhagavatam, it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here?” Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?”
Srila Prabhupada - “That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C)
First of all we read from above by Prabhupada, Krsna gives the jiva-souls "free will" in the Spiritual Worlds that allows them to make their own choices there.
Having free will also makes the jiva-souls fully responsible for all their choices and actions.
Rejecting Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan and therefore having to enter the material creation, (but only less than 10% make such a choice) was a mistake by those jiva-souls because the material creation is NOT the real home of the individual jiva-souls.
It is unnatural for the individual jiva-souls to be covered by a temporary material bodily vessel or container that they are given when they enter the material creation.
It must be clearly understood for love to truly exist, each jiva-soul MUST have their "free will" to make their own choices, even if it means leaving Krsna if they choose, otherwise there can be no question of genuine love or service.
This quality or attribute of free will is part of the jiva-soul's marginal constitutional nature, as an independent free thinking part and parcels expansion of the Krsna.
Krsna allows this freedom that all jiva-souls have because without free will loving exchanges and reciprocation can NEVER exist.
Srila Prabhupada – “You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We CAN misuse that. (Mayapur, February 19, 1976)
Having "free will" is the constitutional make up of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) that is ALWAYS part and parcel of their eternal character and personality in the Spiritual Worlds.
This means the jiva-souls can even choose to leave the Vaikuntha Planets or Goloka-Vrindavana if they want.
Free will always allows this and if it didn't then there is no question of loving exchanges.
This is why it is foolish that big, big sannyasis and gurus in some other sangas (religious cults) claim once entering the Spiritual Worlds the jiva-souls can never leave or down again.
No, they CAN fall down again and again if they choose to do so!
And as said above, such choices or fall downs have nothing to do with Maya (material energy) because Maya does not exist in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.
It is simply the misuse of free will that is the cause of fall down.
The choice to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana is possible because Krsna allows a "two-way" relationship, this means one can accept or reject Krsna if they choose to do so.
Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."
Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly".
Srila Prabhupada -"Yes", but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will. (Talk with Rene Descartes)
Syamasundara - "But can we predict returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however some do come back?''
Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time".
Syamasundara - "And some come back?"
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes. Otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."
Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"
Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence, he CAN fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is NOT to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again". (Talk with Syamasundara and Henri Bergson)
Even though Krsna has promised there is no return to the material creation once returning to the Spiritual Worlds, the fact is there IS return if the jiva-souls want to return as Prabhupada explains here-
Acyutananda – “In Bhagavad Gita Krsna says, once coming to the Spiritual World, the jiva-soul never returns, so He can return?”
Srila Prabhupada – “If he likes he can return”.
Guru-kripa – “How is it that one can become envious of Krsna?”
Srila Prabhupada – “You have got little independence, you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God. God has got full independence, but you have got independence too, proportionately, because you are part and parcel, so if he likes, he can return. That independence has to be accepted. We can misuse that. Krsna-bahirmukha haïä bhoga väïchä kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown”. (Mayapur February 19, 1976)
Paramahamsa - “But ultimately if we come to Krsna, there’s no return?
Srila Prabhupada - “There IS return, that is voluntary. Return there is”.
Paramahamsa - “If we want”.
Srila Prabhupada - “Yes”.
Paramahamsa - “So we can come to the spiritual world and return?”
Srila Prabhupada - “Yes”.
Paramahamsa - “Fall down?”
Srila Prabhupada - “Yes. As soon as we try, “Oh, this material world is very nice,” “Yes,” Krsna says, “yes, you go and enjoy the material world, otherwise what is the meaning of free will?
Every living entity has got a little free will. And Krsna is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this."
Just like some of our students sometimes go away, again come back. It is free will. Just like one goes to the prisonhouse, not that government welcomes, "Come on. We have got prisonhouse. Come here, come here." He goes out of his free will; again comes out, again goes. Like that."
Paramahamsa - ''So our desire to enjoy, we achieve these material bodies; and our desire to achieve Krsna brings us to our natural position''.
Srila Prabhupada - ''Yes. (Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course, May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)
Devotee - “Well, I believe you once said that once a conditioned soul becomes perfected and gets out of the material world and he goes to Krsnaloka, there’s no possibility of falling back”.
Srila Prabhupada - “No! There is possibility, but he does not come IF he is intelligent. Just like after putting your hand in the fire, you never put it in again. So those who are going back to Godhead, they MUST become intelligent. Why going back to Godhead? (Talk with Syamasundara Dasa).
Srila Prabhupada - ''As soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice," "Yes," Kṛṣṇa says, "yes, you can go." Otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Kṛṣṇa is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this." It is free will''. (Morning Walk Cheviot Hills May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)
All jiva souls must have these 3 basic qualities.
1 - An independent sense of self worth,
2 - Individuality,
3 - Their own personal unique character and personality.
Only then can when these qualities exist can there be meaningful reciprocal loving exchanges between Krsna and His marginal living entities (jiva-souls)
It is a fact that sadly, some jiva-souls make wrong choices in the Spiritual World Prabhupada has told us, giving the figure at less than 10%
This has nothing to do with Maya or material energy because Maya does not exist there but free will does.
Srila Prabhupada also explains that over 90% of jiva-souls choose to NEVER rebel or leave the Spiritual Worlds that would instantly transfers the less than 10% of rebellious jiva-souls to the temporary decaying material creation, where one is forced to accept the cycle of repeated birth and death.
Dr. John Mize – “Does Krsna know ahead of time that a soul is going to be foolish and fall?”
Srila Prabhupada – “Krsna? Yes, Krsna may know because He is omniscient”.
Dr. John Mize – “Are more souls falling all the time?”
Srila Prabhupada – “Not all the time. But there is the tendency of fall down, not for all, but because there is independence… Everyone is not liking to misuse the independence. The same example:
Just like a government constructing a city and constructs also prison house because the government knows that somebody will be criminal.
So their shelter must be also constructed. It is very easy to understand. Not that cent percent population will be criminal, but government knows that some of them will be.
Otherwise why they construct prison house also? One may say, “Where is the criminal? You are constructing…” Government knows, there will be criminal.
So if the ordinary government can know, why God cannot know? Because there is tendency”.
Dr. John Mize – “The origin of that tendency (to fall from Goloka) is…?”
Srila Prabhupada – “Yes”.
Dr. John Mize – “From where does that tendency come?”
Srila Prabhupada – “Tendency means the independence. So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force. Therefore Krsna says,yathecchasi tathä kuru. “Now you do whatever you like.” (Bhagavad Gita As It Is. lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973)
While in the material creation, their actions, good and bad, come under the laws of material nature called karma, and they have to answer for all they do, good or bad.
Therefore, the full freedom or free will that exists in Goloka Vrindavana and Vaikuntha, certainly does NOT exist in the material creation.
Choosing to reject Krsna means the jiva-souls are FULLY responsible for their own actions, life after life in the material creation.
Krsna is NOT responsible for the choices each jiva-soul makes, they are.
All the suffering the jiva-souls experience in the material creation is caused by them leaving Krsna in the first place and then reaping the reactions of their own mistaken choices of actions within a temporary material bodily vessel or container within the material creation.
In other words, the jiva-soul is punished or rewarded for what ever actions, good or bad, they have "chosen" to act out in this life that may not be payed for until the next life, or even the life after that.
No one understands how Karma fully works because no one knows how many births we have had in the material creation over billions of years!!
This is important to understand and realize, we are all responsible for our own actions and pay for them with the kind of material body we get.
We CANNOT blame God (Krsna) for our suffering in the material worlds because it was our choice we went there.
Without "free will" in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan, the freedom to uniquely serve and love Kṛṣṇa by also contributing to the relationship in one's own way, then loving exchanges with Krsna will NEVER exist.
This means the jiva-souls MUST always have an independent sense of self worth, strong sense of individuality, and confidence in their own unique character and personality as Krsna's eternal servant.
As said above, only then can reciprocal love between two exist with Krsna and His marginal living entity (jiva-soul) exist.
Srila Prabhupada has said without free will and the ability to reciprocate as an independent individual servant of Lord Krsna, then we are all no better than a dead stone.
Srila Prabhupāda – ''Unless there are "two persons", where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there". (August 9, 1976, Tehran)
The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) can NEVER exist independently from Krsna even though they CAN express their own independent free will that Krsna provides separately for the purpose of allowing "two-way" voluntary exchanges of loving expressions and encouraging unique (individual contributions) personal offerings.
We must never forget that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, if we properly understand this, then we will understand the following discussion that EVERYTHING comes from Krsna including free will-
Swedish man - ''Is there free will?''
Srila Prabhupada - ''Yes, just like you are sitting here. If you don’t like, you can go away. That’s your free will. There is free will, we are part and parcel of God, therefore we have got minute quantity of freedom. (Temple lecture Stockholm Sweden).
Srila Prabhupada - ''Every individual soul is awarded a portion of independence because each is part and parcel of God. Thus he has the quality of independence, but in minute quantity. That is his individuality.''
Syamasundara dasa - ''Is Krsna within each atom as an individual entity different from every other entity?
Srila Prabhupada - ''Yes. Krsna is there, He is individual. There are varieties of atoms, and sometimes they are combined together.
Syamasundara dasa - ''How is each Krsna different? How is it He is an individual in each of the atoms?
Srila Prabhupada - ''Why is He not an individual? Krsna is always an individual. He is always a person, the Supreme Person, and He can expand Himself innumerably.
Syamasundara dasa - ''And is Paramatma a person?
Srila Prabhupada - ''Yes, every expansion is a person. We are all atomic expansions of Krsna, and we are all individual persons. Paramatma is another expansion, but that is a different kind of expansion.
Syamasundara dasa - ''Is the jivatma, the individual jiva-soul, also a person?
Srila Prabhupada - ''Yes. If he were not a person, then how would you account for the differences? We are all different persons. You may agree with my opinion or not, but in any case you are an individual. Krsna is also an individual. Nityo nityanam. There are innumerable individual souls, but He is the supreme individual person.
Syamasundara dasa - ''So even within material atoms, there is a spiritual life, a spiritual force?
Srila Prabhupada - ''Yes, force means spiritual force''.
Syamasundara dasa - ''But even within the dead body there are forces. There is the force of decomposition.
Srila Prabhupada - ''Krsna is within the atom, and the body is a combination of so many atoms; therefore the force for creating other living entities is also there even in the process of decomposition.
When the individual soul's force is stopped within a particular body, we call that body a dead body. Still, Krsna's force is there because the body is a combination of atoms.
The ultimate desire is of Krsna. If you take it in that way, Krsna is within every atom, and therefore Krsna wants whatever is to be.
Therefore He wills that these two elements become one, and therefore the molecules combine to create water, or whatever.
Thus there is a creation, and again there is another creation, and so on. In any case, the ultimate brain governing all creation is Krsna''.(Dialectical Spiritualism: A Vedic View of Western Philosophy)
We must never forget that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes, if we properly understand this, then we will understand the following discussion that EVERYTHING comes from Krsna including free will.
Srila Prabhupada is simply confirming below that EVERYTHING comes from Krsna and MUST be sanctioned by Krsna first, including FREE WILL
Syamasundara dasa - ''Does the individual soul have a little independence to choose?
Srila Prabhupada - ''No (not without the sanction of Krsna) Bhagavad-Gita states that when the individual soul wants to act, Krsna gives the orders. Man proposes, and God disposes.
Syamasundara dasa - ''So we have no free will?
Srila Prabhupada - ''Not without the sanction of Krsna. Without Him, we cannot do anything. Therefore He is the ultimate cause.
Syamasundara dasa - ''But I thought you have been saying that we have a little independence.
Srila Prabhupada - ''We have the independence in the sense that we may deny or affirm, but unless Krsna sanctions, we cannot do anything''. (Dialectical Spiritualism: A Vedic View of Western Philosophy)
Srila Prabhupada here is simply confirming that EVERYTHING comes from Krsna and what the jiva-souls do MUST be sanctioned by Krsna first, including FREE WILL because Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes.
Nothing can happen without the sanction of Krsna first, not a blade of grass can move without the will of Krsna.
However, Krsna will always sanction free will and the ability for each jiva-soul to choose for themselves, regardless of what is said above because without free will, the jiva-souls could never voluntary contribute in their own individual way to their relationship with Kṛṣṇa, which actually what makes the relationship an eternal "two-way" exchange as Prabhupada also explains.
Above Srila Prabhupada in his discussion with Syamasundara dasa, is simply making the point that EVERYTHING is under the control of Krsna as the Bhagavad-gita teaches us-
"Not a blade of grass moves without the will of the Lord"
In other words, we only have free will because Krsna allows it.
On the other hand, without free will in God's Kingdom, the Spiritual Worlds would be impersonal and emotionally stagnant and cold like dead stone!
Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)
All the individual personal contributions from the jiva-souls are forever expanding their unique ability of self expression in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.
This allows them to always make voluntary offerings to Krsna that forever increase and expand loving emotions in healthy "two-way" exchanges between Kṛṣṇa and the individual jīva-souls.
It is VERY important to understand that the individual jiva-souls are "PERSONS" with their own unique individual feelings of self expression existing always in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.
It must be clearly understood for love to truly exist, each jiva-soul MUST have their free will to make their own choices, even if it means leaving Krsna if they choose, otherwise there can be no question of genuine love or service.
Paramahaṁsa -''So we can come to the spiritual world and return?''
Prabhupāda -''Yes''.
Paramahaṁsa - ''Fall down?''
Srila Prabhupada - ''Yes. As soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice," "Yes," Kṛṣṇa says, "yes, you go." Otherwise what is the meaning of free will?
Every living entity has got a little free will. And Kṛṣṇa is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this." It is free will''. (Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course, May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)
Bali Mardana - ''An example of free will is someone can choose Kṛṣṇa or turn away? Is that example of free will?''
Srila Prabhupāda - ''Yes. Because if you accept Kṛṣṇa, then you must follow what Kṛṣṇa says. If you don't follow Kṛṣṇa, then what is the use of talking of Kṛṣṇa?
Kṛṣṇa says, satataṁ kīrtayanto mām: (BG 9.14) "Always chanting about Me." That is mahātmā. Satataṁ kīrtayanto māṁ yatantaś ca dṛḍha-vratāḥ (BG 9.14). Mahātmānas tu māṁ pārtha daivīṁ prakṛtim āśritāḥ: (BG 9.13)
"Mahātmā, those who are devotee, they are not under these material influence. If he accepts Kṛṣṇa, he must abide by the injunction of Kṛṣṇa''. (Morning Walk, January 22, 1974, Hawaii)
Srila Prabhupada – “So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force.” (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)
Cintamani (or the Cintamani Stone), is a wish-fulfilling jewel in Goloka Vrindavana.
Cintamani is ALWAYS aspired to achieve by great devotes because they ONLY desire to please Krsna.
To say you have no desires in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana is Impersonalism or Mayavadi nonsense.
One NEVER loses "desires" in the Spiritual Worlds because THOSE desires are forever expanding to always please Krsna.
It is foolish to think one becomes desireless in the Spiritual Worlds, only impersonalist try to extinguish their desires.
Actually devotees increase their desires in both Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana because they desire to ALWAYS please Krsna more and more.^.p
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