Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed by only one, there MUST be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love''. (SB Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada - "Love means "two", there MUST be two, the lover and the beloved". (Lecture on BG Ch 9 text 2-5, New York, Nov 23, 1966)
Srila Prabhupāda – ''Unless there are "two persons", where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there". (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)
In Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges are always encouraged by Krsna in His relationship with the jiva-souls. This adds flavour, variety and mystery to their association with the Lord.
This means the Kingdom of God (Goloka-Vrindavana and Vaikuntha) are NOT a "one-sided" dominating impersonal domain devoid of "free will" or voluntary service.
Denying "free will" does not allow or encourage voluntary personal contributions (offerings) expressed in a "two-way" exchange, that can only expand, enrich and flavour one's eternal relationship with Krsna (God).
Loving service to Krsna and exchanges with Him cannot exist if there is only a "one-sided" affiliate of total supremacy or preeminence.
The fact is genuine loving relations and service are based on "free will" which includes loving exhanges between TWO, and is NEVER a one-sided dominating affair!
"Free will" only has meaning when the jiva-souls can express themselves in a "two-sided" relationship with Krsna or even reject Him if they choose.
Unless the jiva-souls can make their own choice to do these things, then there is no question of having free will.
Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)
Srila Prabhupada – “So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force.” (LA, June 23, 1975)
Srila Prabhupada - "Free will" means that you can act wrongly. That is "free will". Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of "free will". Where is "free will" then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no "free will". Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."
Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly".
Srila Prabhupada -"Yes", but that is "free will". He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will. (Excerpt from: Philosophy Discussions with Srila Prabhupada – Rene Descartes)
Srila Prabhupada - ''As soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice," "Yes," Kṛṣṇa says, "yes, you can go." Otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Kṛṣṇa is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this." It is free will''. (Morning Walk Cheviot Hills May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)
Srila Prabhupada - “Actually, we are not fallen. We cannot be fallen. But we have simply created a situation. We have not created a situation. Krsna has given us a situation. Because we wanted to imitate Krsna, so Krsna has given an opportunity: ‘All right. Imitate’. So this situation, our contact with matter, is just like dream. Actually, we are not fallen. Therefore, because we are not fallen, at any moment we can revive our Krsna consciousness. . . we can break this material connection at any moment as soon as we come to the point of Krsna conscious. We can simply give up that illusory condition at any moment. At any moment. This is the position. We are not fallen. We are thinking fallen. So we have to give up this nonsense thinking. Then we are liberated.” (SB lecture in Tokyo, April 20, 1972)
Srila Prabhupada - “Eternally conditioned means we do not know when we have been conditioned like this. It is not possible to trace out the history, many, many Brahma’s lives are happening, not only one .” (Lecture in New York City, Jan 9, 1967)
Srila Prabhupada - “There is history, but that is not possible to trace out. Therefore, it is said anadi . . . Anadi means: adi means the creation. Creation before creation I contaminated this desire” (SB lecture in Bombay, Jan 1, 1975)
Srila Prabhupada - "It is impossible to trace out our history. Vaishnava poets say, therefore, anadi karma-phale, which means that these actions and reactions of one’s activity cannot be traced, for they may even continue from the last millennium of Brahma’s birth to the next millenium”. (SB lecture Canto 3 Ch 31 text 44, 1974).
Devotee - "In the spiritual sky, when the living entity is in his pure state of consciousness, does something act upon him to make him illusioned at that point, also?"
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, just like Jaya-Vijaya. They committed offense, there is possibility even if you are in Vaikuntha, you will fall down, what to speak of this material world”. (BG lecture of July 4, 1974)
Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no "free will", then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)
In other words, loving reciprocation is ONLY possible between "two", with each contributing to the relationship, expanding the the variety of nectarine mellows.
The word "reciprocation" only has meaning when there are "TWO involved", NOT one!
"Free will" is eternally the constitutional make up of EVERY "marginal living entity" (jiva-soul) and the foundation in ALL relationship with Krsna.
Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is NOT love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation. (Lecture on BG Ch 9 text 2-5, New York, Nov 23, 1966)
Srila Prabhupada - ''The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There MUST be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (SB Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)
Surrender to Krsna in the Spiritual World NEVER means giving up your "free will" and allowing Krsna to control your every actions, deeds, words and thoughts.
No, that is NOT surrender!
The jiva-souls in the Spiritual World are NOT programmed "mindless" drones who only obey and never contribute to their relationship with Krsna in their own unique way by ALWAYS thinking of different ways to please Krsna.
The jiva-souls can NEVER lose their free will in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana, which is having the individual ability of self expression allowing them to offer their own personal contributions to Krsna "unique" to each individual jiva-soul.
Only by having "free will" does the jiva-souls have their own unique personality and individual character, otherwise they are no better than dead mindless stone.
"Free will" allows genuine loving exchanges and reciprocation to take place, and as said above, without free will the jiva-souls are dead!
Voluntary service is the bases of REAL surrender to Krsna in Goloka Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha Planets, which are the permanent eternal homes of the marginal living entities (jiva-souls).
The jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana are forever voluntarily expanding their independent expressions with their unique individuality with an increasing variety of personal devotional offerings based on free will.
Srila Prabhupada - “Service in the spiritual world is voluntary. Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact". (SB Canto 6.1.1-4 - Melbourne, May 20, 1975)
The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are a collective of an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls who are eternal, meaning they have ALWAYS existed but, as said above, they are only called tatastha-sakti while "conditioned" in the material creation, and impersonal Brahmajyoti.
The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are known in both the material creation and the impersonal Brahmajyoti as tatastha sakti but NOT in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana Prabhupada explains here.
Srila Prabhupada - "So this material world is the taṭastha (conditioned) characteristics, and the Spiritual Worlds are the Personal (Vaikuntha) characteristics" (New York, Dec 28, 1966)
Revatīnandana - "Srila Prabhupāda you very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and I go to the brahmajyoti I'm still fallen".
Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes".
Revatīnandana - "That means all jīva-souls there are also fallen souls?".
Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness'' (Letter to: Revatinandana, LA 13 June, 1970 and London 1971)
As said above, the jiva-soul's relationship with Krsna is NEVER a one-sided master/slave mindless relationship, no, Krsna does NOT control the "surrendered" jiva-souls by FORCE like a puppet master controls every movement of his puppets with the manipulations of strings, denying self expression, individual contributions and voluntary service.
Krsna controls His devotees with loving effection and reciprocal exchanges in a two-way exchange.
Srila Prabhupada - "Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of "free will". Where is "free will" if I can act only one-sided? That means I have no "free will". Because we CAN act wrongly (sometimes), that means we have free will." (Discussions with Srila Prabhupada – Rene Descartes).
The jiva-souls NEVER lose their "free will" or ability to express themselves in their own unique way in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.
BG Ch 2 text 20 reveals (correct 1983 edition of Bhagavad Gita As It Is-
"For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG Ch 2 text 20)
Srila Prabhupada – "There are NO new souls. New and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is NEVER born and NEVER dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?''. (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 7/9/1970)
"Free will" has NOTHING to do with the material body, "free will" is a symptom of the eternal jiva-soul.
"Free will" is the constitutional makeup of every marginal living entity (jiva-soul) in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.
Krsna expands Himself as all the unlimited Visnu/Narayana forms of Godhead who have their own Vaikuntha Planets in the perpetual Spiritual World.
And expands also as Visnu who manage the material universes known as Maha Visnu, Garbhodakashayi Visnu and Paramatma.
All these Visnu expansions come from this amazing little boy Krsna. Our beautiful Krsna is so wonderful.
So always remember the golden rule-
"Always think of Krsna and NEVER forget Him"
Always avoid (block) those who are envious, those who only want see faults, and those masquerading as religious leaders.
In Gauḍīya Vaisnavism there are three different forms of Visnu-tattvas who manage the temporary material creation.
1 - Kāraṇodakaśāyī Visnu (Maha-Visnu)
2 - Garbhodakaśāyī Visnu (Hiraņyagarbha)
3 - Ksirodakaśāyī Visnu (Paramātmā).
Maha-Visnu (Kāraṇodakaśāyī Visnu) is ultimately an expansion of Lord Balarama, the first expansion of Lord Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the Absolute truth, and cause of all causes.
Krsna is an individual Person AS a spiritual bodily form with 2 arms, two legs etc in His original and perpetual appearance.
And all marginal living entities (jiva-tattva souls) in their original bodily form, are in His image Prabhupada explains here.
Devotee – “Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?”
Srila Prabhupada – “Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs”.
Hari-sauri – “How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?”
Srila Prabhupada – “[describing material form first]: Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the jiva-soul”.
Hari-sauri - “They are covered in the spiritual world?”
Srila Prabhupada - “Not in the spiritual world, there that is voluntary. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there if they want to be a flower and lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, then he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to human body also. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact". (SB Canto 6.1.1-4, Melbourne, May 20, 1975)
In Gauḍīya Vaisnavism the Sātvata-tantra describes three different forms of Visnu as,
1 - Kāraṇodakaśāyī Visnu (Maha-Visnu)
2 - Garbhodakaśāyī Visnu (Hiraņyagarbha),
3 - Ksirodakaśāyī Visnu (Paramātmā).
Maha-visnu expands as Garbhodakaśāyī Visnu (Hiraņyagarbha) and enters each of the millions of large universes known as a "Brahmandas".
These Brahmanda universes all originate from the pores of Maha-Visnu's Body.
Deep inside each Brahmanda universe is a "secondary universe" where Garbhodakashayi Visnu Creates Lord Brahma who then builds the different Planetary systems in each inner inverses surrounded by their Brahmanda.
Maha-Visnu again further expands as Kṣīrodakaśāyī Visnu (Paramatma) who is the Supersoul situated in the heart of all material bodily vessels next to the living beings (jiva-souls) in all the millions of material universes.
Kāraņodaksayi Visnu is Sankarsana (an expansion of Balarama) of the Catur-vyuha, the quadruple expansions of Krsna who predominate over the Vaikuṇṭha planets as His Visnu-tattva expansions.
Balarama is the first expansion of Lord Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, and origin of all Narayana and Visnu forms of the Lord.
So all the demigods such as Brahma and Siva, as well as all the material bodily vessels that the visiting jiva-souls possess, are part and parcel of Maha-Visnu "dreaming" material creation including within all the different secondary material universes found deep within each Brahmanda greater universe.
Maha-Visnu creates all the material bodily vessels or containers that are eventually occupied or possessed by all the visiting jiva-souls who have chosen to leave Vaikuntha and foolishly enter the mundane decaying material creation, which is 1/4 of the Brahmajyoti or Spiritual Sky.
No jiva-souls originate from the material creation, or from Maha-Visnu, or the impersonal (dormant inactive condition) aspect of Brahmajyoti or Brahman.
This is because ALL jiva-souls originate directly from Vaikuntha, from Goloka Vrindavana.
Also the original FORM of the marginal living entity or jiva-souls is NOT some nonsense impersonal spark in Krsna's effulgence (impersonal Brahmajyoti)
The Jiva-soul is ORIGINALLY a 2 armed bodily (vigraha) form like Krsnas Prabhupada has explained above owever, many Sangas (religious groups), cannot understand this.
The full potential and highest understanding of the jiva-soul is -
1 - Sat - eternity
2 - Chit - knowledge
3 - Ananda - bliss
4 - Vigraha - bodily form originally like Krsna's bodily form.
Maha-Visnu in His material creation, lays down in the causal ocean or the Karanodak, He then puts the seeds of this material creation in Mahā-māyā by glancing at her.
Mahā-māyā remains the ever obedient material energy of the Supreme Lord.
Maha-Visnu creates all the material elements -
1 - Sky,
2 - Fire,
3 - Water,
4 - Air,
5 - Earth,
These material elements are created along with -
6 - Mind,
7 - Intelligence,
8 - False ego.
After this, Maha-Visnu enters each of the larger universes known as a Brahmandas, that originate from the pores of His Body, as Garbhodaksayi Visnu, who lays down deep inside each surrounding Brahmanda universe, in a secondary smaller universe within it.
Garbhodakasayi Visnu is an expansion of Maha-Visnu, there are billions of Garbhodakashayi Visnus and Lord Brahmas but only one Maha-Visnu (Kāraṇodakaśāyī Visnu).
All jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are individual independent living entities who can choose to enter this material creation, to the smaller material universe that exists with all its 14 planetary systems in the stem growing from the navel of Garbhodakasayi Visnu who are all encased deep inside the surrounding Brahmanda universe.
From Garbhodaksayi Visnu emerges Brahma who is the secondary creator within His secondary universe that is deep inside the outer surrounding Brahmanda universe.
Garbhodakaśāyī Visnu is an expansion of Mahā-Visnu.
As explained above in Gaudīya Vaisnavism the Sātvata-tantra describes three different forms of Visnu as-
1 - Kāraṇodakaśāyī Visnu (Mahā-Viṣṇu)
2 - Garbhodakaśāyī Visnu (Hiraņyagarbha)
3 - Ksirodakaśāyī Visnu (Paramātmā).
Srila Prabhupada - ''The science of God analyzes the constitutional position of God and His diverse energies. Material nature is called prakṛti, or the energy of the Lord in His different puruṣa incarnations (expansions) as described in the Sātvata-tantra-
viṣṇos tu trīṇi rūpāṇipuruṣākhyāny atho viduḥekaṁ tu mahataḥ sraṣṭṛdvitīyaṁ tv aṇḍa-saṁsthitamtṛtīyaṁ sarva-bhūta-sthaṁtāni jñātvā vimucyate
"For material creation, Lord Kṛṣṇa's plenary expansion assumes three Viṣṇus.
1 - The first one, Mahā-Viṣṇu, creates the total material energy, known as the mahat-tattva.
2 - The second, Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu, enters into all the universes to create diversities in each of them.
3 - The third, Kṣīrodakaśāyī Viṣṇu, is diffused as the all-pervading Supersoul in all the universes and is known as Paramātmā. He is present even within the atoms. Anyone who knows these three Viṣṇus can be liberated from material entanglement." (BG As It Is Ch 7.4 Text 4 Purport)
Each Visnu-tattva form has a different role in the maintenance of the Universe and its inhabitants.
1 - For material creation, Lord Krsna's plenary expansion assumes three Visnus. The first, Mahā-Viṣṇu, creates the total material energy, known as the mahat-tattva and all the Brahmanda universe as seen in painting below.
2 - The second, Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu, enters deep inside of each of these massive Brahmanda universes, reaching its center, and then creates a secondary inner universe with all its diversities.
3 - The third, Kṣīrodakaśāyī Visnu, is diffused as the all-pervading super soul in all the universes; in the heart of every living being, is known as Paramātmā. He is present even within the atoms.
The real objective of meditation in Yoga is attain service to Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.
Garbhodhakaśāyī Visnu is also realized as the form of Pradyumna within the material universe who the father of Brahmā who appeared from His navel and hence Garbhodakashayi Visnu is also called Hiraņyagarbha.
There are billions of Brahmanda universes all originating from the Body of Maha-Visnu.
Inside each Brahmanda universe is a secondary smaller universe where Garbhodakashayi Visnu, Lord Brahma and all the different Planetary Systems are found.
The inner material universe is managed by Brahma, it is surrounded and encased by the outer Brahmanda universe's 7 or 8 massive material layers.
Our Brahmanda universe alone measures 44 quadrillion, 444 trillion, 444 billion miles in diameter, or twice that size if measured from the outer edge of the inner secondary universe inside the Brahmanda.
All Brahmanda universes are different sizes making their inner universe also a different size.
The size of each material universe inside the Brahmanda is determined by the amount of heads each Brahma has.
Our universe is small because our Brahma has only 4 heads, other universe inside their Brahmanda, their Lord Brahma may have 10, 30, 50, 500, 10,000 or even a million heads according to Srimad Bhagavatam.
Also there are the 14 Planetary Systems (shown below in photo) in our material universe situated deep within our surrounding Brahmanda.
However, other universe have many more planetary systems, depending on how many heads their Lord Brahma has.
There are billions of these Brahmanda universes, all coming from the Body of Maha-Visnu as seen in painting below.
As said above, each Brahmanda has their own "secondary inner material universe" deep inside their Brahmanda.
And each inner secondary universe has their own number of Planetary System that are all in different sizes.
Ours has 14 different Planetary Systems while other universe may have hundreds of Planetary Systems.
This means there are billions of Garbhodakashayi Visnus, billions of Lord Brahmas, billions of Lord Sivas, billions of Indrus, billions of all the demigods in each universe that is deep inside their own outer Brahmanda greater universe.
However, there is only ONE Maha-Visnu as seen in painting below.*^*^.
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