The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are NOT complete in themselve unless they their independence and free will.
Because without the free will that allows personal voluntary contributions and making personal decision of service, then jiva-souls would be no better off than mindless drones who imitate their bogus "Supreme so called Leader"
Such surrender and worship is impersonalism.
All jiva-souls in the spiritual world are able to make their own independent decisions while serving Krsna that allows them to be the contributing PERSON they are eternally (beginningless and endless). Only then is a variety of voluntary loving exchanges and reciprocation with Krsna possible.
Srila Prabhupada - "In the spiritual world service is voluntary. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there if they want to be a flower and lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, then he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to human body also. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)
Srila Prabhupada - "Love is a reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)
Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take, and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation."(Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)
Krsna does not force His dominance over the jiva-souls in the spiritual world like a puppet master controls his puppets with strings.
Free will exists with the jiva-souls for the purpose of allowing voluntary personal contributions in their relationship with Krsna, making the relationship a "two-sided" loving affair instead of a "one-way" dictatorship.
Loving exchanges, or forever expanding service to Krsna, can never be experienced with just one, there MUST be two, in a two-way exchange of personal feelings, expressions and personal offerings, otherwise the jiva-souls are no better than dead stone Prabhupada has warned us.
Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you MUST have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)
The jiva-souls are expansions of Krsna but with minor independent qualities that allow them to express themselves with their own voluntary actions based on free will in their own way.
The jiva-souls are endowed with independence and an individual unique personality that enables them to experience their independent personality separate from Krsna's Divine Personality.
Krsna allows this freedom (free will) among the jiva-souls because Krsna wants to experience loving exchanges between Himself and the jiva-souls, between two, to experience the jiva-soul's individual contributions and personal input, too.
This, however, does not mean all jiva-souls are fully independent from Krsna's control; that is not possible.
At all times, the jiva-souls are always dependent on Krsna, even while experiencing their little independence.
So, the jiva-souls are always independent individual living entities yet simultaneously depend on Krsna and His Visnu-tattva expansions in both the spiritual worlds and material worlds at all times.
So, even though the jiva-soul is an expansion of Krsna, the jiva-souls are not one with Krsna's Personality because they each have their own independent, unique personality separate from Krsna's Personality eternally. The jiva-souls can NEVER become one with Krsna (God)
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Krsna must always first give His sanction because Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes. The eternal jiva-souls (marginal living entities) so they can have their freedom (free will)
How do we understand this?
To start with, we must never forget that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.
This means nothing happens unless it is His will because everything comes from Him.
However, Krsna is always very reasonable. He never wants to surround Himself with those who love Him only because He programs them to do so; no, Krsna does not want that type of mindless association.
This is why the jiva-souls always have their free will in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan as part of their eternal constitutional makeup.
As said above, without free will and the ability to choose for themselves, in a voluntary way, a relationship of loving exchanges and reciprocation with Krsna, as a contributing independent individual person, is not possible.
Furthermore, there was never a time where Krsna never granted this freedom (free will) to the individual jiva-souls because only by having free will can the jiva-souls express their love for Krsna in their own unique way.
Therefore, having free will is eternally part and parcel of the personality and characteristics of every marginal living entity (jiva-soul).
Krsna allows free will for the purpose of allowing the opportunity for the jiva-souls to contribute their own unique offerings out of love, allowing an independent mood of self expression and personal exchanges with Krsna from thoughtful contributing independent persons.
The fact is, love can never be a one-sided or a one-way affair; love is always based on building a loving relationship of exchanges between two expressed in the mood of reciprocation.
Therefore, any jiva-souls who are denied free will by their God are just mindless emotionless drones in that God's kingdom.
If one's every thought and actions are fully controlled by their God, then that makes them no better than dead stone because they can never express their own unique emotions and feelings.
So, having free will is always part and parcel of the marginal living entities eternal spiritual constitution.
If Krsna had this absolute control over all the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in the spiritual world explained above, then His Kingdom of God would be an impersonalists mindless loveless paradise!
Therefore, ultimately, within the most intense loving emotional exchanges between the Krsna and the jiva-souls, there is always free will; there are always individual choices that include even rejecting Krsna if one chooses.
If the jiva-souls do not have the freedom to think for themselves independently, then how can love exist?
No, it is not possible without free will because loving exchanges are a personal unique expression of feelings shared voluntarily with one's beloved.
This is how the jiva-souls surrender their unique personality and individuality with the object of one's love. Through voluntary service one chooses to offer to Krsna, such intelligent reciprocation is the real meaning of surrender.
Srila Prabhupada - "Surrender BY your intelligence but don't surrender your intelligence." (Letter to Bali Mardan 1974)
Therefore, without having personal choices in the jiva-soul's relationship with Krsna, then there can be no question of loving exchanges.
This is because if it is just a one-sided one-way affair with no input from the jiva-souls too, then how can their be genuine love?
This idea of Krsna completely taking over the jiva-soul's free will, in the name of surrender, and denying any independent thoughful contributions from the jiva-souls, is nonsense impersonalism that many foolish bogus gurus cheat their naive disciples with today.
Loving exchanges are only possible when it is allowed to be governed by self-expression in a reciprocal relationship between two individuals, the jiva-souls, and Krsna.
This loving reciprocation is always expressed in its full potential in either Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan but serverly covered in the material creation where free will is suppressed and almost none existant in the human species.
And certainly not in the lower species of life in the material creation where the instincts of eating, sleeping, mating, and defending are controlling the lower species and not free will or Karma.
Karma is not created in the lower species of life or on the hellish and heavenly planets; it is only created in the human species in the middle planetary systems in our material universe.
Only on the middle planetary system called Bhurloka, where our earth globe is, does the human species of life create karmic reactions because they have the intelligence to be responsible for their actions?
Also, it is foolish nonsense to think Krsna overides and extinguishes the jiva-soul's free will and individuality when they enter Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan.
Such a concept is impersonalism.
One should understand that being part and parcel of Krsna means the jiva-souls can etenally make independent choices for themselves in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan while serving Krsna, or they can even choose to reject Krsna if they want.
Sadly, many immature devotees, including some sannyasis and gurus, still do not understand properly what free will is because they foolishly believe surrender to Krsna means Krsna takes over your every thought, deeds, and actions.
Srila Prabhupada - "Unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)
Real love (prema) or devotional service is only possible when there is a contributing relationship between two. Surrendering to Krsna does not mean extinguishing your individuality, personal contributions, and free will.
Love can never be experienced by just one, not even by Krsna; even He had to divide Himself into two (Radha and Kṛṣṇa) just to experience loving exchanges and share a reciprocal relationship.
So let's be clear, loving relationships in the spiritual world are always based on the reciprocation between two because love can only exist when there is a caring respectful nurturing relationship between two, between Krsna and the jiva-souls.
Srila Prabhupāda – ''Unless there are two persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted; you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (August 9, 1976, Tehran)
Srila Prabhupada – "So, everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence; that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)
Ultimately, each individual jiva-soul is a unique person who can choose for themselves how to voluntarily serve Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, or even ignore Him if they want. These choices must be there for free will to exist.
Both scenarios must be allowed if real freedom or free will is to truly exist.
As Prabhupada explains, Krsna never forces you to surrender to Him, never forces you to love Him, that must be voluntary otherwise love can never exist in a genuine way.
Srila Prabhupada – "Krsna never forces you to love Him; that must be voluntary." (Melbourne June 25, 1974)
Srila Prabhupada – "Love is a reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that." (July 8, 1976)
Krsna never interferes with the free will of the jiva-souls.
Srila Prabhupada - ''As soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice," "Yes," Kṛṣṇa says, "yes, you go", otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Kṛṣṇa is so kind. He gives him the opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this." It is free will." (Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course, May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)
Krsna allows the jiva-souls to be independent individuals with their own unique personality separate from Krsna's Personality because only then can they voluntarily contribute to a two-way exchange of loving service.
Freedom (free will) must also include that in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, one can reject Krsna if they choose.
Krsna allows the jiva-souls to have their freedom because it also allows them to voluntarily express their own unique individual love for Krsna in that two-way relationship.
This is better than being surrounded by jiva-souls who are mindless drones impersonally programmed to worship Krsna without personal contributions and individual inputs.
Such an impersonal one-sided relationship is not love at all; real love can never exist on a one-way street or in a one-sided domineering dictatorship.
Real love can only exist between two persons in a two-way relationship.
If Krsna is surrounded Himself with none thinking jiva-souls who He does all the thinking for and all He wants and says without question, then that is certainly not love because real love cannot exist in a one-way dictatorship.
The individual jiva-souls are independent living entities who voluntarily surrender and love Krsna in their own unique way encouraged by Krsna.
It is complete nonsense to think surrender means Krsna controls all loving expressions and emotions between Himself and the jiva-souls, overriding the jiva-soul's personal voluntary contributions by choosing everything for them once they enter the spiritual world.
That kind of mindless impersonal surrender is spiritual suicide to a Vaisnava. Such forceful dominance over the individual jiva-souls is Mayavadi impersonalism!
Therefore, to say the jiva-souls can never choose to fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan (The Kingdoms of God) is nonsense because they always have their free will in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.
Srila Prabhupada told us that only less than 10% of jiva-souls make that choice to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana over an eternity, while the rest (over 90%) do not choose to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana.
In other words, the jiva-souls also have their choices, too, that Krsna allows, just so they can experience their full freedom that includes rejecting Krsna if they want.
Krsna will never surround Himself with empty headed drones programmed to just obey to love Him unconditionally (meaning no personal contributions), no, Krsna does not want emotionally unproductive servants like that who can never contribute to the relationship with Krsna.
We are all unique individual jiva-souls who each have an individual sense of self who can voluntarily contribute to the relationship with Krsna and enrich that relationship with loving mysteries.
Each jiva-soul is able to give their own unique loving offerings in their own personal way to Krsna.
Therefore, only such reciprocation of loving exchanges between Krsna and the jiva-souls is what makes selfless love (Krsnaprema) real, and Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana are worth going to.
The jiva-souls are expansions of Krsna but with minor independent qualities that allow them to express themselves with their own voluntary actions based on free will in their own way.
The jiva-souls are endowed with independence and an individual unique personality that enables them to experience their independent personality separate from Krsna's Divine Personality.
Krsna allows this freedom (free will) among the jiva-souls because Krsna wants to experience loving exchanges between Himself and the jiva-souls, between two, to experience the jiva-soul's individual contributions and personal input, too.
This, however, does not mean all jiva-souls are fully independent from Krsna's control; that is not possible.
At all times, the jiva-souls are always dependent on Krsna, even while experiencing their little independence.
So, the jiva-souls are always independent individual living entities yet simultaneously depend on Krsna and His Visnu-tattva expansions in both the spiritual worlds and material worlds at all times.
So, even though the jiva-soul is an expansion of Krsna, the jiva-souls are not one with Krsna's Personality because they have their own independent, unique personality, as explained above.
The loving expressions between Krsna and His more direct Visnu-tattva expansions are different from His relationship with the jiva-souls.
The fact is that all Visnu-tattva expansions of Krsna are Krsna, just playing another role in His own pastimes.
Surrender to Krsna never extinguishes one's ability of self-expression, individuality, or one's unique personality.
Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana are the Kingdoms of God, where the jiva-soul's independent identity and personal contributions enables them to make personal choices in their offerings to Visnu or Krsna in the spirit of reciprocation and loving selfless exchanges.
Love in this way is the highest meaning of independent thinking by choosing to be fully dependent on Krsna in the mood of voluntary devotional loving exchanges.
Love can only exist when their are exchanges between two; love can never exist with just one.
Therefore, surrendering to Krsna never extinguishes one's ability of self-expression, individuality, or one's unique personality.
Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana are the Kingdoms of God where the jiva-soul's independent identity and personal contributions enable them to make voluntary offerings in to Visnu or Krsna in the spirit of reciprocation and loving selfless exchanges.
Loving exchanges between Krsna and the jiva-souls means exhibiting independent expressions of offerings in one's devotional service.
Love can only exist when their are these exchanges between two, because love can never exist when there is just one.
Love can only exist when their are exchanges between two, love is never just one.
The spiritual world is full of unlimited variety and variegatedness, therefore Krsna only wants those who actually voluntarily choose to be with Him and serve Him.
Real love is reciprocal and can only exist between two, it is never a one-way street where surrender to Krsna takes away one's unique ability of self-expression that will only make one no better than dead stone.
In this mundane material world, it is not possible to experience free will in its full potential, in fact, the concept of free will is almost no existent, that is only possible in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan.
Our only education should be being trained up from a very young age to go back home back to Godhead and not try or plan to make these decaying temporary material worlds our home..^^..
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