Wednesday, March 13, 2024

The individual jiva-souls are eternal spiritual living PERSONS who can NEVER be destroyed, terminated, divided into pieces or extinguished because they are indestructible for infinity.

The individual jiva-souls are eternal spiritual living PERSONS who can NEVER be destroyed, terminated, divided into pieces, extinguished or lose their unique individual identity as a "person" because they are indestructible for infinity.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)

All individual jīva-souls are ETERNAL persons, therefore there are no new jiva-souls being created because they have ALWAYS existed meaning they are beginningless and endless.

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 9th July 1970)

The eternal individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) have no origin or beginning point because they have ALWAYS existed for infinity as explained above.

So, clearly there is no origin or beginning point to Krsna's marginal energy (an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls), who have existed for as long as Krsna has existed and will continue to exist for eternity.

The individual jiva-souls can enter or possess and experience any material bodily container or vessel they choose over the infinity of its existence, but only temporarily.

This is because all outer material bodily vessels or containers (matter) that covers the eternal individual jiva-souls (anti-matter), eventually breaks down, decomposes (dies) and again merges back into the "oneness" of the material energy that all bodily vessels are made from in the material world.

However, the eternal individual jiva-souls are not affected by the decomposition and demise of the external temporary material bodily vessel they are in.

Also, each eternal individual jiva-soul (anti-matter) can NEVER become another individual jiva-soul, Krsna, Radharani, Visnu, Narayana and their expansions, or Siva and his expansions.

The individual jiva-souls are eternal persons who always have the choice (fee will) to express themselves in their own unique way in the spiritual world, or reject Krsna and enter the temporary material world if they choose.

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are NOT complete in themselves unless they have their own unique independence (free will) to voluntarily choose to serve Krsna in their own unique way.

Therefore, without "free will or self expression," there can be no personal voluntary contributions or personal unique offerings to Krsna in a two-sided loving relationship.

Under these impersonal "one-sided" dictatorial conditions, the individual jiva-soul's existence would be no better than mindless drones devoid of any self-expression, personal voluntary contributions, reciprocating in a loving "two-way" relationship is spiritual suicide.

All marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in the spiritual world are eternal servants by choice who make their own independent decisions while serving Krsna, this makes them the unique contributing PERSON they are eternally, only then can an unlimited variety of intentional loving exchanges with Krsna be possible in a "two-way" reciprocal exhange. 

Srila Prabhupada - "In the spiritual world service is voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there if they want to be a flower and lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, then he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to human body also. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is a reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)   

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take, and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation."(Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Krsna does not force His dominance over the jiva-souls in the spiritual world like a puppet master impersonally controls his puppets with strings.

Free will exists with the jiva-souls for the purpose of allowing self-expression and voluntary personal contributions in their relationship with Krsna, making the relationship a "two-sided" loving affair instead of a "one-way" dictatorship.

The reason why "life" (the unlimited existence of individual jiva-souls) can NEVER be generated (created), is because the life force (that includes an unlimited collection of unique indestructible individual jiva-souls) have ALWAYS existed and were NEVER created.

Individual life (the jiva-souls) are beginningless and endless as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains.

Dormant "Life" (the individual jiva-souls) are only "awakened" after the jiva-souls have fallen to the dormant (inactive) conditional state in the atom, and the impersonal brahmajyoti, they do not originate from there they are only awakened from their dormant state in the brahmajyoti.

Such a "fall down" to the dormant (inactive) brahmajyoti, is unnatural for the jiva-souls whose real "nature" is to be fully "active" in Kṛṣṇa's eternal pastimes.

"Individual life" therefore is never created, not even by Krsna because "life" has ALWAYS existed.

Once fallen to the material world of repeated birth and death, the individual jiva-souls can become frustrated with that constant suffering of birth, disease, old age and death and fall even further to the dormant (inactive) impersonal brahmajyoti, or can become dormant even in the atom.

When individual life (the jiva-souls) eventually awakens from their dormant impersonal existence in the brahmajyoti, or the material atom, some jiva-souls will WRONGLY believe life originated or is created (generated) from the an impersonal origin in the brahmajyoti.

However, the individual jiva-souls or life force has only been resting in a dormant inactive condition attained from a previous existence in the material world, a previous material universe long, long, long ago.

No individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) originate from the impersonal Brahmajyoti which is an inactive condition of consciousness the individual jiva-souls fall too as Prabhupada explains here-

Srila Prabhupada - "Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness." (Letter to Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Others may also WRONGLY believe the individual life force is an "all-one all-pervading energy or force" and only has form and individuality when contained in a material bodily vessel, just like water contained in a jar becomes separated from the ocean of water around it by being in the jar.

The eternal individual "life force" in the category know as the "jiva-souls" (marginal living entities), are NOT ultimately an "all-one-pervading" consciousness, they are eternal individual units (PERSONS).

The eternal "life force" in the category of jiva-souls (marginal living entities), are a collective of eternal spiritual individual living beings who each have their own eternal personality, individual identity and unique spiritual bodily form.

The belief that all jiva-souls ultimately merge into "one consciousnees" like rivers merge into the sea, and only become an individual when embodied, is called dangerous mayavadi impersonalism because it denies the "life force" is ultimately an unlimited collective of unique individual eternal jiva-souls.

So, the conclusion is the eternal individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are spiritual living PERSONS who can never be destroyed, terminated, divided into pieces, extinguished or ever lose their individual identity and personality.

The individual jiva-souls are indestructible and were NEVER created, they have ALWAYS existed like Krsna has always existed as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains above.

On the other hand in a paradox understanding, Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the cause of ALL causes which means EVERYTHING rests in Him.

This includes His unlimited individual jiva-soul expansions, Lord Siva, His unlimited variety of Visnu-tattva expansions including Srimati Radharani and Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu. 

Paradoxically all Visnu-tattva expansions and Krsna are ALL one within Krsna as the same person and identity in different presentations (pastimes).

Then there if Lord Siva (Siva-tattva) in a league of his own who is also an expansion of Kṛṣṇa, but not like the Visnu-tattva and jiva-tattva's (jiva-souls) are. 

Lord Siva's sense of individual self is in-between Visnu-tattva and jiva-tattva (jiva-soul) in his own unique existence who caters for individual marginal living entities who are almost lost in the bowls of the material world without a gross material bodily vessel, and those who have further fallen to the hellish planetary systems

The eternal individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are also expansions of Krsna like EVERYTHING is, however, the jiva-souls are different from Kṛṣṇa and His Visnu-tattva direct expansions because they are separated with their own unique existence that allows self-expression and free will.

In other words, the jiva-souls have their own unique ability of self-expression based on free will alloewd and sanctioned by Krsna. 

Kṛṣṇa allows this to create diversity and a "two-way" relationship of voluntary loving contributions and exchanges in the mood of eternal separation from Him. 

These qualities will deny a complete dictatorship by Krsna that Kṛṣṇa also created because does not want a "one-sided" Kingdom of puppets, drones and "yes" living beings, he wants those who voluntarily choose to serve Him with their own unique contributions.

He wants the jiva-souls to choose for themselves how they want to love Him, or can even reject him if they want. Without these choices there is no question of real freedom or having free will in a two-way loving exchange.

The individual jiva-souls, unlike the direct Visnu-tattva expansions, are eternal separated expansions of Kṛṣṇa, with their own unique independent personality and identity yet are paradoxically fully dependent on Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes. 

This means each individual jiva-soul has their own unique personality, independent identity further means they can even reject Krsna at anytime and forget about Him completely.

From Krsna's point of view (through the eyes of God) He is always the cause of all causes but  "similtaneously one a different" from all that their is inbthe spiritual and material worlds.  

 "Achintya-Bheda-Abheda Tattva." 

This philosophy of Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu is very difficult to understand, and is only properly realised by genuine devotees of Lord Krsna.*×*^






















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