Friday, May 31, 2024

The eternal marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) never lose their unique "free will" that allows independent self expression on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana.

The eternal marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) never lose their unique "free will" that allows independent self expression and voluntary contributions and offerings in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana.

This means there are always loving exchanges and reciprocation going on eternally between the eternal individual jiva-souls and Krsna. 

The individual jiva-soul's relationship with Krsna is always voluntary and based on "free will," which means the freedom of self expression and the choice of personal offerings while participating in Krsna's service. 

Such cooperation between Kṛṣṇa and the eternal individual jīva-souls is the bases of personalism.

This further acknowledges that the individual jiva-soul's independent identity, personality and character is eternally separate from Krsna's absolute controlling Personality, even though Krsna knows everything and is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.

Krsna allows this diversity so a "two-sided" constructive, contributing relationship exists because for genuine love to exist, their MUST be loving exchanges between two independent individuals.  

This means the individual freedom (free will) of the eternal jiva-souls (devotees), exist for the purpose of having their own unique personal contributions and offerings in a relationship of cooperation, instead of always being told what to, how to think and act, that only denies voluntary contributions (personalism).

The devotees (the eternal individual jiva-souls) perpetually have free will, this means eternally having the freedom of self expression and unique independent actions.

Such freedom of consciousness inspires diversity, unlimited independent contributions and personal ideas in an atmosphere of mystery, intrigue and suspense 

Such qualities are always there in the spiritual world, and to be real, they must be expressed in a "two-way" mood of cooperation, loving exchanges and unique autonomy otherwise the spiritual world would be one-sided stagnant loveless place with nothing new is ever being presented or offered by the individual jiva-souls.

Of course, to the devotees (eternal individual jiva-souls), Krsna is the most beautiful, the kindest most caring selfless Person they know, the dedicated devotees are always in awe, amazement, humility and ecstasy while in His presence. 

However, due to free will, the individual devotees always have their independent choice to worship Kṛṣṇa, or ignore Him. Such worship of Kṛṣṇa is NEVER demanded by Krsna. 

In this way, the Kingdom of God is NOT a so called paradise centred impersonally around "one person," and forced in a "one-way" dictatorship of threatening demands to worship where that one person is surrounded by mindless drones (yes men and women).

No, Krsna does not want to be an impersonal self centred, self absorbed God like that, living in an impersonal loveless kingdom where all decisions are made by God denying the devotee of self expression and personal contributions and loving offerings or gifts.

Even though everyone in the spiritual world is always attracted to only Kṛṣṇa but such worship is never demanded by Krsna, that is voluntary due to the attraction the devotees have for Krsna.

Such worship of Kṛṣṇa is not Krsna's doing, and is never forced by Him, it is the devotee's (the eternal individual jiva-soul's) attraction and selfless love for Krsna that is the cause of their surrender to Krsna.

Those who choose to worship Kṛṣṇa are allowed to voluntarily serve Him in unlimited ways of their choice.

Krsna never demands, forces the eternal individual jiva-souls to do anything they choose not to voluntarily do.

Having free will creates intrigue and mystery, it is almost as if Krsna gave the individual jiva-souls their free will to see what they choose to do. 

Krsna therefore gives the eternal jiva-souls their independencinso they can express their unique free will.

Krsna wants to see the individual jiva-souls contribute in their own unique personal ways rather than always being controlled by God and being always told how to think and act. 

Such absolute control that denies self expression and personal voluntary contributions or service, is loveless  impersonalism.

In this way, personalism and free will, go to together, both are eternally linked, without free will, personalism can never exist.

This means in their full potential, all eternal individual jīva-souls are unique independent persons who eternally have the freedom to voluntary express themselves in their own way (free will)

These deep secrets of selfless pure devotional service within Krsna's creation, can only be expressed when "personalism" and "free will" are combined and properly understood.

At the same time, we must never forget that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, He wins our hearts by His selfless devotion and care for us, infact Krsna's love for His devotees is far greater than they can ever love Him. 

The following discussion with Srila Prabhupada explains how everything, including free will, comes from Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada is confirming below that everything comes from Krsna and must be sanctioned by Krsna first, including the individual eternal jiva-souls free will. 

Syamasundara dasa - "Does the individual jiva-soul have a little independence to choose?"

Srila Prabhupada - ''No, not without the sanction of Krsna first, His creating, His rules. Bhagavad-Gita states that when the individual jiva-soul wants to act, Krsna gives the orders (permission). "Man proposes and God disposes."

Syamasundara dasa - "So we have no free will?"

Srila Prabhupada - ''Not independent from Krsna because He is the cause of all causes and the source of everything there is, not without the sanction of Krsna first. Without Him, we cannot do anything, therefore Krsna is the ultimate cause."

Syamasundara dasa - ''But I thought you have been saying that we have a little independence?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, we have independence (free will) in the sense that we may deny or affirm, but unless Krsna sanctions our desires, we cannot do anything." (Dialectical Spiritualism: A Vedic View of Western Philosophy)

Srila Prabhupada here is simply confirming everything comes from Krsna and must be sanctioned by Him first, including free will.

This is because Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes meaning nothing can happen without the sanction of Krsna. 

However, Krsna will always sanction free will and the ability to choose, because without free will, the eternal individual jiva-souls could never voluntary contribute in their own individual unique way to their relationship with Kṛṣṇa, free will actually makes the relationship with Krsna personal expressed in a two-way exchange.

In this way, as said above, free will and personalism go hand in hand in a "two-way" reciprocal relationship of loving co-operation and exchanges.

Just like a "one-way" suppressive dictatorship denys personal contributions and goes hand in hand with selfish impersonalism.

Above Srila Prabhupada in his discussion with Syamasundara dasa, is simply making the point that everything is under the control of Krsna and as said in Bhagavad Gita As It Is- 

"Not a blade of grass moves without the will of the Lord."

In other words, we only have free will because Krsna allows it.

As said above, often I wonder if Krsna gave the individual jiva-souls free will just to see what they would do with it and watch how they acted.

Although, as explained above, without free will (voluntary service) the spiritual world would be impersonal and emotionally stagnant and cold like dead stone!

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

All the individual personal contributions from the eternal jiva-souls, are forever expanding their unique ability of self expression in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana.

This allows them to always make voluntary offerings to Krsna and Viṣṇu that forever increase and expand the loving emotions of cooperation in a healthy "two-way" exchange between Kṛṣṇa and the individual jīva-souls.

It is very important for devotees of Krsna to understand that the eternal individual jiva-souls are "persons," as a perpetual spiritual bodily form, each with their own unique individual means of self expression existing always in both the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana.

For loving exchanges to truly exist between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees in the spiritual world, each eternal individual jiva-soul (devotee) must have the free will to choose how to voluntarily express themselves.

The freedom self expression allows the devotees to voluntary contribute in their own unique way how THEY want to please Krsna, making the eternal relationship very personal.

Sadly, the individual devotees can also leave Krsna if they choose (fall down into the material world), otherwise there can be no question of free will expressed with voluntary loving exchanges and personal contributions.

Swedish man - "Is there free will?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, just like you are sitting here, if you don’t like, you can go away. That’s your free will. There is always free will, we are part and parcel of God, therefore we have got minute quantity of the freedom Krsna has." (Temple lecture Stockholm Sweden)

Srila Prabhupada - "Every individual jiva-soul is awarded a portion of independence because each is part and parcel of God. Thus he has the quality of independence, but in minute quantity. That is his individuality." (Dialectical Spiritualism: A Vedic View of Western Philosophy)

Personalism and free will are eternally linked, without free will, personalism, or voluntary contributions and cooperation serving Krsna, can never exist.

Srila Prabhupada - "Because you are son of God you have independence, you have acquired the quality of your father, so God does not interfere with your independence. If you persist that “I must enjoy independently," God says, "All right, you can go.” This is the position, if you persist, God sanctions. And you can come here and enjoy." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force.” (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly, that is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will, he misuses his free will. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison, everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will, therefore  unless there can be the misuse of free will, then there is no question of free will." (Excerpt from Discussions on Rene Descartes philosophy)

Syamasundara - "But can we predict returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however some do come back?''

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time."

Syamasundara - "And some come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, otherwise there is no meaning of independence and free will. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."

Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence, he can fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is not to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again." (Talk with Syamasundara on Henri Bergson philosophy)

Bali Mardana - ''An example of free will is someone can choose Kṛṣṇa or turn away? Is that example of free will?''

Srila Prabhupāda - ''Yes, because if you accept Kṛṣṇa, then you must follow what Kṛṣṇa says. If you don't follow Kṛṣṇa, then what is the use of talking of Kṛṣṇa? 

Kṛṣṇa says, satataṁ kīrtayanto mām: (BG 9.14) "Always chanting about Me." That is mahātmā. Satataṁ kīrtayanto māṁ yatantaś ca dṛḍha-vratāḥ (BG 9.14). Mahātmānas tu māṁ pārtha daivīṁ prakṛtim āśritāḥ: (BG 9.13) 

Mahātmā, those who are devotee, they are not under these material influence. If he accepts Kṛṣṇa, he must abide by the injunction of Kṛṣṇa." (Morning Walk, Jan 22, 1974, Hawaii)

The qualities of "free will" or self expression allows the eternal individual jiva-souls to contribute in their own unique way separate from Krsna's all-pervasive control, based on their own "personal sense of individual self." 

This means the eternal individual jiva-souls can contribute or serving Krsna in their own unique way that makes them the individual persons they are for infinity.

In other words, "free will" allows the eternal individual jiva-souls in the spiritual world to always voluntarily express themselves in their own unique special way, making them the contributing person they are eternally.

Srila Prabhupada - “The individual jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is always voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there, If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become a flower, voluntarily, and one can change his form in the spiritual world from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

In the spiritual world all relationships with Krsna are voluntary, equally blissful to each other.

Just like one may like a carnation flower while others may choose to like a rose flower. All the services the devotees choose are equal in the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana.  

The eternal individual unique jiva-souls are independent living entities in the spiritual world and have their own unique personality and sense of independent self separate from Krsna's Personality, yet simultaneously are always dependent on Krsna as His parts and parcels and creation.

The reason why Krsna gives the eternal individual jiva-souls their independence and free will is so they can choose for themselves how to voluntarily serve Krsna in their own unique personal way without His or anyone elses domination as clearly explained above.

This means the individual jiva-souls in the spiritual world are always contributing in their own unique way, with offerings of their choice without any pressure or force from Krsna.

Real love or service can only exist when there is free will (freedom of unique expression) that only fully exists in a "two-way" relationship of cooperation, reciprocation and loving exchanges with Krsna that He allows to create diversity and selfless personalism.

This allows the individual jiva-souls to voluntarily participate as an independent person in loving devotional exchanges providing personal contributions to their relationship with Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.

Otherwise, as explained above, if Krsna never allowed individual independence and personal contributions then His abode would be a useful loveless example of impersonalism.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only by one, there must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how can there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience? Love means one? No, love means two! There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He's so lover of you that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Surrender to Krsna in the spiritual world does not mean giving up your "free will" and individual personality and then allow Krsna to control your every actions, deeds, words and thoughts like a puppet master controls his puppets! 

Such nonsense forced manipulative control is impersonalism and spiritual suicide to a real devotee of God!

Krsna is not like that at all, He is completely opposite to that dictatorial nonsense.

No, the eternal individual jiva-souls in the spiritual world are not programmed "mindless" drones who only obey and never contribute to the relationship with Krsna individual and their own unique way by thinking for themselves.

If a so called God never allowed free will, or forcefully controlled it, then He is a useless God who must be rejected! 

Therefore, the eternal individual jiva-souls can never lose their "free will" on the Vaikuntha planets or in Goloka Vrindavana, meaning they always have the choice to accept Kṛṣṇa or reject Krsna. 

And that is also why it is nonsense to foolishly claim the individual eternal jiva-souls can never fall down from the spiritual world.

The eternal jiva-souls always have the individual ability of independent self expression which allows them to make their own unique offering of personal contributions to Krsna unique to each individual jiva-soul.

Only by having "free will" can genuine loving exchanges and reciprocation (personalism) take place. 

And without "free will" personalism can never exist, the eternal individual jiva-souls devoid of free will (freedom to express themselves) are no better than dead mindless stone Prabhupada has warned us.

Furthermore, in the spiritual world Krsna never interrups the free will of the individual jiva-souls in how they prefer to service Him, or even not serve Him.

This is because if He did, and never allowed His devotees their free will,  or having the unique self expression to make their own choices in the spiritual world, then that also would mean loving exchanges and voluntarily service participation with Krsna could never exist.

If one is forced to worship Krsna or Visnu or any form of God, then that is not love, it is dictatorial tyranny and therefore impersonalism.

The "impersonal" version of God's abode where individual jiva-souls are forced to surrender their "free will" and allow their bogus version of God to take over their individual existence, allowing Him to do all the thinking for them, as many nonsense religious cults propagate, is dangerous impersonalism.

Having "free will" on the other hand, allows Krsna's devotees to investigate all that is around them and what is the goal of human iife and be the individual  in themselves as Krsna’s voluntary servant and express themselves as an independent person, who voluntarily serves Krsna the way they choose to voluntarily serve Him - that is what "personalism" really means.

Voluntary service to Krsna and His devotees is the bases of real surrender in Goloka-Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha planets which are the permanent eternal home and origin of the marginal living entities (jiva-souls).

The devotees on the Vaikuntha planets and in Goloka Vrindavana are forever voluntarily expanding the variousoķ expressions of their unique individuality with an ever increasing variety of personal devotional offerings based on free will.

As said above, it is never a nonsense "one-sided master/slave" mindless impersonal relationship with Krsna.

As said above, Krsna does not control the "surrendered" jiva-souls by force like a puppet master controls every movement of his puppets with the manipulations of strings, denying self expression, individual contributions and voluntary service. However, Krsna does control His pure devotees with selfless loving exchanges and reciprocation.

The eternal individual jiva-souls voluntarily allow this out of their unconditional attraction and love for beautiful Krsna who does everything for His devotees and serves them more than they can ever serve Him.  

Actually Kṛṣṇa is far more selfless and caring than His devotees can ever imagine and therefore serves them far more than they can ever serve Him.

Srila Prabhupada - "Krsna does not want to become a lover by force, from the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; no, that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

If the individual jiva-souls had no "free will" in the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets, and Goloka-Vrindavana, then personalism, that involves a two-sided progressive relationship of loving exchanges and reciprocation, would have no meaning. The eternal jiva-souls would be no better than dead stone Prabhupada explains here-

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - "As living spiritual individual jiva-souls, we are all originally Kṛṣṇa conscious entities, but due to our association with matter since time immemorial, our consciousness is now polluted by material atmosphere. When the superior energy is in contact with inferior energy, it becomes an incompatible situation. But when the supreme marginal potency (the jiva-souls) are in contact with the spiritual potency, Harā, it becomes the happy, normal condition of the living entity." (The "Happening Record Album" recorded Dec 1966 in New York City, USA)


























Understanding "plenary portions or portions of the plenary portions" of the Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.

Srimad Bhagavatam - "O brāhmaṇas, the incarnations of the Lord are innumerable, like rivulets flowing from inexhaustible sources of water." (ŚB, Canto 1 Ch 3 text 26)

Srila Prabhupada - "The list of incarnations of the Personality of Godhead given herein is not complete. It is only a partial view of all the incarnations. There are many others, such as-

Śrī Hayagrīva, 

Hari, 

Haṁsa, 

Pṛśnigarbha, 

Vibhu, 

Satyasena, 

Vaikuṇṭha, 

Sārvabhauma, 

Viṣvaksena, 

Dharmasetu, 

Sudhāmā, 

Yogeśvara, 

Bṛhadbhānu, 

And unlimited others of the bygone ages. 

Śrī Prahlāda Mahārāja said in his prayer- 

“My Lord, You manifest as many incarnations as there are species of life, namely the aquatics, the vegetables, the reptiles, the birds, the beasts, the men, the demigods, etc, just for the maintenance of the faithful and the annihilation of the unfaithful. 

You advent Yourself in this way in accordance with the necessity of the different yugas. In the Kali-yuga You have incarnated garbed as a devotee, this incarnation of the Lord in the Kali-yuga is Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu. 

There are many other places, both in the Bhāgavatam and in other scriptures, in which the incarnation of the Lord as Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu is explicitly mentioned. In the Brahma-saṁhitā also it is said indirectly that although there are many incarnations of the Lord, such as- 

Rāma, 

Nṛsiṁha, 

Varāha, 

Matsya, 

Kūrma 

And many others.

The Lord Himself sometimes incarnates in person. Lord Kṛṣṇa and Lord Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu are not, therefore, incarnations, but the original source of all other incarnations.

This will be clearly explained in the next śloka. So, the Lord is the inexhaustible source for innumerable incarnations which are not always mentioned. But such incarnations are distinguished by specific extraordinary feats which are impossible to be performed by any living being (individual jiva-souls). 

That is the general test to identify an incarnation of the Lord, directly and indirectly empowered. Some incarnations mentioned above are almost plenary portions. For instance- 

The Kumāras are empowered with transcendental knowledge. 

Śrī Nārada is empowered with devotional service. 

Mahārāja Pṛthu is an empowered incarnation with executive function. 

The Matsya incarnation is directly a plenary portion.

So, the innumerable incarnations of the Lord are manifested all over the universes constantly, without cessation, as water flows constantly from waterfalls." (ŚB, Canto 1 Ch 3 text 26 Purport)

Srimad Bhagavatam - "All the ṛṣis, Manus, demigods and descendants of Manu, who are especially powerful, are plenary portions or portions of the plenary portions of the Lord. This also includes the Prajāpatis." (SB, Canto 1 Ch 3 text 27)

Srila Prabhupada - "Those who are comparatively less powerful are called vibhūti, and those who are comparatively more powerful are called āveśa incarnations." (SB, Canto 1 Ch 3 text 27 Purport)

Srimad Bhagavatam - "All of the above-mentioned incarnations are either plenary portions or portions of the plenary portions of the Lord, but Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the original Personality of Godhead. All of them appear on planets whenever there is a disturbance created by the atheists. The Lord incarnates to protect the theists." (SB, Canto 1 Ch 3 text 28)

Srila Prabhupāda - "In this particular stanza Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, the Personality of Godhead, is distinguished from other incarnations. He is counted amongst the avatāras (incarnations) because out of His causeless mercy the Lord descends from His transcendental abode. Avatāra means “one who descends." All the incarnations of the Lord, including the Lord Himself, descend to the different planets of the material world as also in different species of life to fulfill particular missions. 

Sometimes He comes Himself, and sometimes His different plenary portions or parts of the plenary portions, or His differentiated portions directly or indirectly empowered by Him, descend to this material world to execute certain specific functions. 

Originally the Lord is full of all opulences (64 qualities), all prowess, all fame, all beauty, all knowledge and all renunciation. When they are partly manifested through the plenary portions or parts of the plenary portions, it should be noted that certain manifestations of His different powers are required for those particular functions. When in the room small electric bulbs are displayed, it does not mean that the electric powerhouse is limited by the small bulbs. The same powerhouse can supply power to operate large-scale industrial dynamos with greater volts. 

Similarly, the incarnations of the Lord (Visnu-tattva expansions) display limited powers because so much power is needed at that particular time. For example, Lord Paraśurāma and Lord Nṛsiṁha displayed unusual opulence by killing the disobedient kṣatriyas twenty-one times and killing the greatly powerful atheist Hiraṇyakaśipu. 

Hiraṇyakaśipu was so powerful that even the demigods in other planets would tremble simply by the unfavorable raising of his eyebrow. 

The demigods in the higher level of material existence many, many times excel the most well-to-do human beings in duration of life, beauty, wealth, paraphernalia and all other respects. 

Still, they were afraid of Hiraṇyakaśipu, thus we can simply imagine how powerful Hiraṇyakaśipu was in this material world. But even Hiraṇyakaśipu was cut into small pieces by the nails of Lord Nṛsiṁha. This means that anyone materially powerful cannot stand the strength of the Lord’s nails. 

1 - Similarly, Jāmadagnya displayed the Lord’s power to kill all the disobedient kings powerfully situated in their respective states. 

2 - The Lord’s empowered incarnation Nārada and plenary incarnation Varāha, as well as indirectly empowered Lord Buddha, created faith in the mass of people. 

3 - The incarnations of Rāma and Dhanvantari displayed His fame

4 - Balarāma, Mohinī and Vāmana exhibited His beauty

5 - Dattātreya, Matsya, Kumāra and Kapila exhibited His transcendental knowledge. 

6 - Nara and Nārāyaṇa Ṛṣis exhibited His renunciation

So, all the different indirectly or directly empowered incarnations of the Lord manifested different features, but Lord Kṛṣṇa, the primeval Lord, exhibited the complete features (all 64 qualities) of Godhead, and thus it is confirmed that He is the source of all other incarnations. And the most extraordinary feature exhibited by Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa was His internal energetic manifestation of His pastimes with the cowherd girls. 

His pastimes with the gopīs are all displays of transcendental existence, bliss and knowledge, although these are manifested apparently as sex love. 

The specific attraction of His pastimes with the gopīs should never be misunderstood. The Bhāgavatam relates these transcendental pastimes in the Tenth Canto. 

And in order to reach the position to understand the transcendental nature of Lord Kṛṣṇa’s pastimes with the gopīs, the Bhāgavatam promotes the student gradually in nine other cantos.

According to Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī’s statement, in accordance with authoritative sources, Lord Kṛṣṇa is the source of all other incarnations. It is not that Lord Kṛṣṇa has any source of incarnation.

All the symptoms of the Supreme Truth in full are present in the person of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, and in the Bhagavad-gītā the Lord emphatically declares that there is no truth greater than or equal to Himself (Krsna). 

In this stanza the word svayam is particularly mentioned to confirm that Lord Kṛṣṇa has no other source than Himself. 

Although in other places the incarnations are described as bhagavān because of their specific functions, nowhere are they declared to be the Supreme Personality. 

In this stanza the word svayam signifies the supremacy as the summum bonum.

The summum bonum Kṛṣṇa is one without a second. He Himself has expanded Himself in various parts, portions and particles as- 

svayaṁ-rūpa, 

svayam-prakāśa, 

tad-ekātmā, 

prābhava, 

vaibhava, 

vilāsa, 

avatāra, 

āveśa, 

jīva-souls (individual marginal living entities)

All provided with innumerable energies just suitable to the respective persons and personalities. 

Learned scholars in transcendental subjects have carefully analyzed the summum bonum Kṛṣṇa to have sixty-four principal attributes. All the expansions or categories of the Lord possess only some percentages of these attributes but Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the possessor of the attributes cent percent. 

And His personal expansions such as svayam-prakāśa and tad-ekātmā, up to the categories of the avatāras who are all viṣṇu-tattva and possess up to 93.75% of Krsna's transcendental attributes, meaning all Visnu/Narayana expansions have 60 of Krsna's 64 qualities which is 93.75%.

Lord Śiva, who is neither avatāra ((Viṣṇu) nor āveśa (jiva-soul) nor in between them, possesses 85.938% of Krsna’s 64 qualities meaning Siva has 55 of Krsna's 64 qualities which is 85.938%.

Krsna's separated energy are the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) who have 78.125% of Krsna's qualities which is having 50 of Krsna's 64 qualities.

Understanding these percentages is just basic mathematics, for example-

1 - Only Kṛṣṇa the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes has all 64 qualities all the time (100%)  

2 - What is the percentage of 60 into 64 = 93.75% (Visnu-tattva or Visnu/ Narayana expansions)

3 - What is the percentage of 55 into 64 = 85.938% (Siva-tattva or Lord Siva and his expansions)

4 - What is the percentage of 50 into 64 = 78.125% (Jiva-tattva, marginal living entities or the individual eternal jiva-souls)  

But the eternal individual jīva-souls, or the individual marginal living entities in different statuses of life, possess up to the limit of seventy-eight percent (exactly 78.125% as mathmatically explained above) of the attributes.

In the conditioned state of material existence, the living being (eternal individual jiva-soul) possesses these attributes in very minute quantity, varying in terms of the pious life of the living being. 

The most perfect of living beings is Brahmā (jiva-soul), the supreme administrator of one material universe. He possesses seventy-eight percent (exactly 78.125% which is having 50 of Krsna's 64 qualities) of the attributes in full. 

All other demigods have the same attributes in less quantity, whereas human beings possess the attributes in very minute quantity. 

The standard of perfection for a human being is to develop the attributes up to seventy-eight percent (exactly 78.125%) in full. The living being can never possess attributes like Śiva, Viṣṇu or Lord Kṛṣṇa.

A living beings (eternal individual jiva-souls) can become godly by developing the seventy-eight-percent (exactly 78.125% as explained above) transcendental attributes in fullness, but he can never become a God like Śiva, Viṣṇu or Kṛṣṇa. He can become a Brahmā in due course. 

The godly living beings who are all residents of the planets in the spiritual sky are eternal associates of God in different spiritual planets called Hari-dhāma and Maheśa-dhāma. 

The abode of Lord Kṛṣṇa above all spiritual planets is called Kṛṣṇaloka or Goloka-Vṛndāvana, and the perfected living being (jiva-souls), by developing seventy-eight percent (78.125% as explained above) of the above attributes in full, can enter the planet of Kṛṣṇaloka after leaving the present material body." (Canto 1 Ch 3 text 28 Purport)

This young beautiful boy Krsna from Vrindavana is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes. 

Krsna is likened to the original candle who lights all the other candles (His unlimited Visnu-tattva expansions) of the same luminosity.

Srila Prabhupada - "Although there are many expansions, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the origin, as confirmed in the Brahma-saṁhitā. He is like the original candle, from which many thousands and millions of candles are lit. Although any number of candles can be lit, the original candle still retains its identity as the origin. In this way Kṛṣṇa expands Himself into so many forms, and all these expansions are called viṣṇu-tattva. Viṣṇu is a large light, and we are small lights, but all are expansions of Kṛṣṇa." (CC Introduction)

Srila Prabhupada - "The original Lord Kṛṣṇa never leaves Goloka Vṛndāvana. All the plenary expansions are one and the same Viṣṇu-tattva, and there is no difference in Their potency." (SB, Canto 3 Ch 1 Text 34 Purport)

Krsna is the source of all Narayana/Visnu expansions of God, who all originated (expanded) from Krsna in Goloka-Vrindavana.

Each Visnu/Narayana Form further have their own perpetual Vaikuntha planet and unique name describing their particular pastimes, where they reside as a four armed Form 

An unlimited number of Vaikuntha planets surround Krsna's central Abode of Goloka-Vrindavana. 

Together the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana take up 75% of the Spiritual Sky where everything there is living as individual forms, lifeless material energy or Maya does not exist there in the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana.  

The other 25% of the Spiritual Sky is the temporary (decomposing) material world where the visiting individual jiva-souls from the spiritual world, must acquire a material bodily container or vessel to enter the material creation.

Srila Prabhupada - "We are not the owner of this material body, not the owner of the material senses. The senses are "hired" from the Supreme Lord. This is very subtle understanding; one should know the proprietor of the senses is God." (March 1966, New York City)

All the material bodily vessels in the material world belong to Maha-Visnu and must be aquired from Him in order to enter the material world.

However, all such material bodily vessels are temporary and subject to constant decline, decay and always in need of constant maintenance, nothing made of matter lasts forever in the material world, everything is always in a constant state of decomposition.

This causes the eternal individual jiva-souls within those material bodies, who are visiting from the spiritual worlds as passengers in those bodily vessels, to continue taking birth after birth in the material world and continue trying to satisfy their desires and material senses.

The temporary material world is created and maintained by Krsna's expansion's 

1 - Karanarnavasayi Visnu (Maha-Visnu), who creates all the unlimited massive Brahmanda universes. 

2 - Garbhodakashayi Visnu (Hiraņyagarbha) who creates a "secondary material universe" inside the massive surrounding Brahmanda universe.

3 - Ksirodakasayi Visnu (Paramatma or Super Soul) who resides next to every marginal living entity (jiva-soul) within what ever material bodily vessel they take out of the 8 million 400 species of material life.

Srila Prabhupada - "For material creation, Krsna's plenary expansion assumes three Visnus. The first, Mahā Viṣṇu, creates the total material energy, known as the mahat-tattva. The second, Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu, enters into all the universes to create diversities and the third, Kṣīrodakaśāyī Visnu, is diffused as the all-pervading super soul in all the universes; in the heart of every living being, is known as Paramātmā. He is present even within the atoms.The goal of life is to know Kṛṣṇa, who is situated within the heart of every living being as Paramātmā, the four-handed Viṣṇu form." (BG, Ch 7 text 4 Purport)

There is only one Maha-Visnu, but unlimited Garbhodakashayi Visnus and Ksirodakasayi Visnus.

This is because of the unlimited number of "secondary universes" there are, that are each deep within their massive Brahmanda universe.

Krsna is the original source of Maha-Visnu who creates these material universes (Brahmandas) that originate from Maha-Visnu's breathing and the pores of His skin as seen in photo below.

As said above, deep inside each Brahmanda material universe, there is a "secondary inner" enclosed universe where Maha-Visnu expands as Garbhodakashayi Visnu, from whom Lord Brahma appears at the top of a lotus flower growing from the naval of Garbhodakashayi Visnu and builds the many planetary systems in his material universe. 

There are unlimited Brahmanda universes, each having a secondary material universe inside of them meaning each has their own Garbhodakashayi Visnu and Lord Brahma.

In these "secondary material universes" created by Garbhodakashayi Visnu deep within each Brahmanda universe, Lord Brahma builds the 14 planetary systems.

In our secondary material universe, there are 14 planetary systems.

In other material universes inside their Brahmanda, they have many more planetary systems than just 14.

Our material universe (Brahmanda) and its secondary universe inside it is one of the smallest.

The size of each Brahmanda and inner universe depends on how many heads Lord Brahma has, in our material universe he has four heads, while in other material universes Brahma may have 10, 20, 50, 100, 100,000, one million or 10 million. The workings of this material universe is beyond our comprehension.

The individual jiva-souls are eternal "persons" as a spiritual bodily form like Krsna's spiritual Body.

This means each individual jiva-soul (marginal living entity) is a unique spiritual bodily form eternally, no individual jiva-souls are the same, they are all individual personalities.

The spiritual energy is not all-one, it is a unlimited collection of "individual eternal jiva-souls" as spiritual bodily forms who are voluntarily acting (serving) in unlimited ways in Krsna's pastimes.

Each individual jiva-soul expresses their own unique personality and character endowed with the free will, so they can voluntarily serve Krsna in 5 different ways or pastimes as explained in the Book "Nectar of Devotion."

The eternal spiritual bodily form of the individual jiva-soul is-

sat, 

cit, 

ananda, 

vigraha.

These words mean

eternity, 

knowledge, 

bliss, 

spiritual bodily form.

Fortunately, over 90% of eternal individual jiva-souls choose to remain in the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana even though they can choose to leave if they want. 

However, almost 10% do choose to leave the spiritual world and enter the material creation via the dreams of Maha-Visnu.

The individual jiva-souls have the free will to make their own choices which includes even rejecting Krsna if they choose to do so. This freedom Krsna allows, otherwise free will has no meaning and voluntary loving exchanges can never exist.

In the spiritual world's of Visnu/Narayana's Vaikuntha planets, and Krsna’s central planet of Goloka-Vrindavana, the individual jiva-soul's relationship with Visnu and Krsna is always voluntary.

The individual contributions of the eternal jiva-souls (devotees) are always expressed in both the Vaikuntha planets, and Goloka-Vrindavana in a "two-way" reciprocal exchange that Krsna encourages to create diversity, individual contributions, and a "two-way" mood of voluntary cooperation and service.

In the spiritual world the eternal jiva-souls are never forced to surrender to Krsna against their will, or do anything they choose not to do. 

For loving service and exchanges to truly exist, the individual jiva-souls must be able to act on their free will and make their own choices,  decisions and offerings (freedom of expression),  even if that also means rejecting Krsna if they choose, otherwise there can be no meaning to voluntary loving exchanges or free will.

Each eternal individual jiva-soul can voluntarily express themselves as an independent individual that allows them to experience and contribute to unique loving exchanges, reciprocation in a two-sided  personal relationship of wonderful cooperation.

Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly or rightly, that is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means we have free will." (Discussions on Rene Descartes philosophy)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence (free will) means one can use it properly or one can misuse it, that is independence, that is the meaning of free will. If you make it one way only so you cannot fall down, that is not independence (free will), that is force." (Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

So, the choice to even leave the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka Vrindavana is possible because Krsna allows a "two-way" relationship (free-will) allowing one to can accept, or reject Krsna if they choose.

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will, unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing is bad but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Talk with Rene Descartes)

This quality of free will is part and parcel of the individual jiva-soul's marginal constitution that allows them to be the independent free thinking separate expansion of the Krsna they eternally are. 

Therefore being a marginal living entity (jiva-soul) also means having free will that is included when describing the qualities and constitution of the individual jiva-souls. 

As said above, Krsna allows this freedom the jiva-souls have because without free will loving exchanges, personal offerings and a two-way reciprocal relationship with Krsna could never exist.

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return to the material atmosphere. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that." (Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

Having free will is the eternal constitutional make up of all marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls)

Free will is eternally part and parcel of their individual character and personality in the spiritual world.

This means the individual jiva-souls can even choose to leave   Visnu/Narayana Vaikuntha planets, or Krsna’s Personal abode of Goloka-Vrindavana if they choose, at anytime.

It is nonsense to claim the eternal jiva-souls can never again fall down in the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana.

This is because free will always allows them to always have a choice, and without that freedom to voluntarily choose, there is no question of loving exchanges or free will.

So, the choice to even leave the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana, is always possible because Krsna allows a "two-way" relationship where one can accept or reject Krsna if they choose.

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will, unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing is bad but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Talk on Rene Descartes philosophy with Prabhupada)

There is only one classification of eternal individual jiva-souls, not two as some scholars claim. 

Therefore, each individual jiva-soul has "two-sides" to their personality, they can be either "nitya baddha" i(conditioned in the material world and the impersonal brahmajyoti), or can be "nitya-siddha" (liberated in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana)

In this way the individual jiva-souls can choose for themselves to be with Krsna, or reject Krsna.

This is because each eternal individual jiva-soul, as part of their spiritual constitutional make-up, has the free will to be with Krsna, or reject Krsna.

Devotee – "Is the original body of the individual jiva-soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form, God is also human form, "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible, is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri dasa – "How do we understand then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – [describing material form first] - "Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible, but you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation of the jiva-soul's full potential. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri dasa - "So they are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is always voluntary. This means the devotee can always choose how they want to serve Krsna, and never told how to serve Krsna, it is their choice. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, then he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

All the individual personal contributions (service) from the eternal jiva-souls are forever expanding their unique ability of self expression (personal contributions) on the Vaikuntha planets serving Visnu, and in Goloka Vrindavana serving Krsna.

This allows the eternal individual jiva-souls to always make voluntary offerings to Krsna that forever increase and expand loving emotions in healthy "two-way" exchange between Kṛṣṇa and the individual jīva-souls.<^^>















Free will expressed in a "two-way" exchange of loving reciprocation, is the real basis and meaning of personalism that is meant to always offer voluntary loving service to Krsna eternally.

On the Vaikuntha planets of Viṣṇu/Narayana, and Krsna’s central Abode of Goloka Vrindavana, personal voluntary contributions (service) expressed through free will, are always encouraged by Krsna to create diversity and a two-way reciprocal relationship of loving exchanges.

Although, it must be remembered that the eternal individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) can never exist independently from Krsna who is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes.

The eternal individual jiva-souls can always express their independent free will separate from Krsna for the purpose of allowing a "two-way" voluntary exchange of loving co-operation.

Such free will encourages unique individual contributions and personal offerings from the eternal jiva-souls.

On the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges expressed through free will are always encouraged by Krsna this adds flavour, variety and mystery to the association.

This means the Kingdom of God is not a "one-sided" dominating impersonal domain devoid of free will that does not allow personal contributions or offerings to God (Krsna), meant to expand, enrich and flavour the relationship eternally.

As said above, loving exchanges and service can never be executed under a "one-sided" affiliate of total supremacy or preeminence. 

The fact is, genuine loving relations and service are based on voluntary reciprocal exhanges and contributions between two, and not just one!

Free will expressed in a "two-way" exchange of loving reciprocation, is the real basis and meaning of personalism. 

The eternal individual jiva-souĺs have their choices too, even if that choice means rejecting Krsna! 

If that choice to even be able to reject Krsna is denied, then it means the eternal individual jiva-souls do not have free will.

Free will only has meaning when the eternal individual jiva-souls can express themselves in a "two-sided" contributing unconditional affair.

In other words, loving reciprocation and exchanges are only possible on a "two-way" street between two, with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows and loving exchanges.

The word "reciprocation" only has meaning when there are two involved, not one!

This also means the eternal individual jiva-souls can reject Krsna if they choose, which in a sense proves that "free will" does truly exist.

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly or rightly, that is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will." (Discussions on Rene Descartes philosophy)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly or one can misuse it, that is independence. If you make it one way only so you cannot fall down, that is not independence, that is force." (Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom.” (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada - "Because you are son of God you have independence, you have acquired the quality of your father, so God does not interfere with your independence. If you persist that “I must enjoy independently," God says, "All right, you can go.” This is the position, if you persist, God sanctions. And you can come here and enjoy or suffer." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada - "As soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice," "Yes," Kṛṣṇa says, "yes, you can go and enjoy or suffer." Otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will and Kṛṣṇa is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this." It is your choice, your free will." (Morning Walk Cheviot Hills May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence has to be there if free will truly exists. If you make it one way only, that is not independence (free will), that is force.” (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Devotee – "In the Srimad Bhagavatam it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here? Why doesn’t He save us from thinking like that and coming here?"

Srila Prabhupada - "That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C)

Krsna will always sanction free will because without free will, the devotees could never voluntary contribute in their own unique way in their relationship with Kṛṣṇa, free will actually makes the relationship with Krsna more personal because it allows "two-way" exchanges and loving reciprocation but also allows the devotee to reject Krsna if they choose making them responsible for their good and bad actions.

The reality is there really is no death of the soul, only the material  body dies while the soul lives on into eternity, always getting unlimited chances in unlimited material bodily vessels to improve themselves and eventually gat it right.

Remember, for the eternal individual jiva-souls there is neither birth or death - so there is really no death of who we really are.

Free will and personalism go hand in hand in a two-sided affair of loving co-operation and exchanges with Krsna.

On the other hand, a "one-way" suppressive God only denies individual contributions and offerings, leaving only impersonalism.

The eternal individual jiva-souls only have free will because Krsna allows it to be part of our personality that allows voluntarily loving exchanges and unique contributions in a "two-way" exchange. 

Krsna therefore allows free will meant to expand loving expressions but can also be misused leading to suffering.

Without free will there can only be impersonalism.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Having free will is the eternal constitutional make up of every individual marginal living entity (jiva-soul), and is the foundation for all relationship with Krsna.

Srila Prabhupāda – ''Love means a relationship between "two persons," then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Just like the Sun-disc and the sun-rays cannot exist separately from each other, similarly Krsna cannot exist separately from His devotees (His parts and parcels the eternal individual jiva-souls)

Each eternal individual jiva-soul (marginal living entity) is a one of a kind independent person with their own unique personality different from other personalities including Kṛṣṇas.

Therefore, no two eternal individual jiva-souls are the same, and no jiva-soul can ever become God (Krsna or Visnu).

Loving devotional service to Krsna is always based on a "two-way" voluntary exchange of personal feelings manifesting as loving acts of reciprocation between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees.

Each individual eternal jiva-soul can always voluntarily contribute their own unique expressions (offerings) of devotional service to Krsna, which is the real meaning of surrender to Krsna's plan (will). 

This correct understanding of surrender and devotional service does not deny the "free will" of each eternal individual jiva-soul and their unique relationship with Krsna.

On the other hand, actions expressed in a "one-way" domineering forceful mood from a so called God that denies self expression within his dictatorial mindless Kingdom, will never allow a personal voluntary "two-way" contribution of loving exchanges, emotions, feelings and unique offerings to take place, allowing the eternal individual jiva-souls to contribute to the relationship.

Without individual unique loving contributions from the individual jiva-souls in "two-way" loving exchange, will only makes the relationship with a so called God, restrictive, dictatorial,  oppressive, loveless, making the relationship dangerous impersonalism.

Personalism means a "two-way" relationship based on "free will" that includes voluntary loving feelings and emotions that expand, enrich and multiplies the affection, sentiment and exchanges between the eternal individual jiva-souls and Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed by only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - '"The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – “Yes, human form, God is also human form, "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible, is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri dasa – "How do we understand then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – [describing material form first] - "Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible, but you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation of the jiva-soul's full potential. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri dasa - "So they are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is always voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, then he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

All the individual personal contributions from the eternal jiva-souls are forever expanding their unique ability of self expression on the Vaikuntha planets serving Visnu, and in Goloka Vrindavana serving Krsna.

This allows the eternal individual jiva-souls to always make voluntary offerings to Krsna that forever increase and expand loving emotions in healthy "two-way" exchange between Kṛṣṇa and the individual jīva-souls.

It is very important to understand that the eternal individual jiva-souls are "PERSONS" with their own unique individual feelings of self expression existing always in both the Vaikuntha planets and Krsna’s central Abode of Goloka-Vrindavana.

It must be clearly understood for love to truly exist, each eternal individual jiva-soul must have the free will to make their own choices, even if it means leaving Krsna if they choose, otherwise there can be no question of genuine love, service, personalism or free will.

Free will is part of the jiva-soul's marginal constitutional nature, as an independent free thinking part and parcels expansion of the Krsna who can make their own unique contributions to Krsna that brings intrigue and mystery into the relationship, instead of an impersonal existence of the Puppet master who totally controls his puppets in everything they think and do.

Krsna allows the jiva-souls to have their freedom because without free will, loving unique exchanges and reciprocation will never exist.

Srila Prabhupada – “You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that. (Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

Free will is the constitutional expression of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls), and is always part and parcel of their eternal character, personality and unique individuality in the spiritual world.

This means the eternal individual jiva-souls can even choose to leave the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana if they want. Free will always allows this and if it didn't then there is no question of loving exchanges or free will.

The choice to leave the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana is possible because Krsna allows a "two-way" relationship based on free will, this means one can accept or reject Krsna if they choose to do so.

There is no such thing as permanently staying in the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka Vrindavana simply because the the individual jiva-souls can leave anytime they like, and Krsna does not interfere with the jiva-souls free will.

If Krsna did interfere then there is no such thing as free will.

Sadly, in the mundane temporary  material creation, so many terrible things are constantly happening but taken for granted due to ignorance.

Like the unnatural painful cycle of birth, disease, old age and death the jiva-souls experience while covered by a material body foolishly taken for granted and normal by fools.

Frustration in the constantly changing (decaying) material world, will always be experienced by those foolish jiva-souls who do choose to leave the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana and enter the material world of repeated birth and death.

The temporary material world is always in a constantly progressive state of decay, decline and forgetfulness where one's material body will always wear out, breaks down and die (no long capable to support life).

But the eternal individual jiva-soul, covered by the material temporary body, is eternal and therefore is never subjected to decay or decline, but sadly is forced to continuously change material bodies because of the temporary nature of the material creation.

The suffering of the eternal individual jiva-soul within this temporary material world, does not happen because of Krsna, He is not responsible for the individual jiva-soul's choices and their suffering.

No, Krsna is not responsible for the suffering of the individual jiva-souls who have chosen to enter the material world, even though the massive Brahmanda material universes and their inner secondary material universe are Krsna's creation, built by His expansions Maha-Visnu, Garbhodakashayi Visnu and Brahma.

The suffering in the material world happens because at one point in the spiritual world, the individual jiva-soul has "chosen" to misuse their "free will", given to them by Krsna for the purpose of allowing voluntary diversity meant to encourage individual offerings, personal offerings and loving exchanges. 

Therefore, as a result of mistakingly misusing their free will, the individual jiva-soul is forced by their own actions, to enter the temporary material world and become entangled in the repeated cycle of birth and death.

The spherical material universal shells coming from Maha-Visnu, are called Brahmandas.

Deep inside each Brahmanda is a secondary universe created by Garbhodakashayi Visnu, who is an expansion of Maha-Visnu.

From Garbhodakashayi Visnu Brahma is born who builds the many planetary systems within the inner material universe inside the Brahmanda as painting below reveals.

As said above, Krsna will never interfere with the eternal individual jiva-soul's free will because if he did, the eternal individual jiva-souls would have no independent sense a contributing personality, or the ability to accept, experience and respond with genuine unique loving exchanges and personal service.

Without an independent sense of "unique self" where the individual jiva-souls have their ability to voluntarily contribute in one's service to Krsna, allowing one to "choose" for themselves how to voluntary serve based on loving exchanges and reciprocation, then how can there be genuine love?

These individual unique qualities are the characteristics that make the jiva-soul (marginal living entity) the individual PERSON they are eternally.

Love or service in the spiritual worlds are never a "one-way street", love can only exist when "two" are exchanging loving feelings to each other.

Only then when there is reciprocation and exchanges of loving service between Kṛṣṇa and His devotee, does love truly exist.

Only when "two" are voluntarily involved in reciprocating with each other can love exist. In this way, real love or service is always based on a "two-way exchange of feelings."

As said above, that means offering individual contributions that will enhance, expand and perpetually uplift the relationship between Krsna and His marginal living entities (jiva-souls).

This can only exist if the jiva-souls are allowed to express their own independent individuality, and unique free will without interference (forced surrender) from Krsna.

As already explained if Krsna did force His will on the jiva-souls, then there can never be genuine loving exchanges because denying free will is also denying the individual jiva-souls to voluntary contribute as a person with their unique individuality.

Srila Prabhupāda - "Unless there are "two persons", where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange. When these things are transacted, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Evening Darsana, Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Having "free will" is the eternal constitutional make up of every "marginal living entity", and is the foundation for all eternal individual jiva-soul's relationship with Krsna.

In the spiritual world or Kingdom of God (Goloka-Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha planets), loving service can never be a one-way or one-sided affair, no, real love or service is always an exchange of voluntary loving exchanges between two in a two-way relationship.

Surrendering one's "free will" to Krsna so He has complete control over the jiva-soul's every thought and actions, just like a puppet master has absolute control over his puppets, to a Vaisnava, is dangerous impersonalism.

Srila Prabhupada - "In Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C).

Such impersonalism is just like a puppet master controls his mindless puppet by moving the strings. 

The puppet has no sense of life, freedom or independence, similarly if Krsna had full control over the individual jiva-soul's ability to make their own choices, it would deny the jiva-souls from experiencing their own personal sense of an independent self, and being able to make their own decisions and choices of offering their own personal unique contributions.

Sadly this type of bogus surrender, where immature leaders demand you surrender your free will and let Krsna flow through you and do all the thinking for you is Impersonalism.

This is a serious problem for some trying to understand what "surrendering" to Krsna (God) really means. 

The fact is, if Krsna had full dictatorial control over the jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan, then how could they independently offering anything?

Such a "one-sided" relationship is only empty impersonalism that is slaverly and devoid of real love. 

Only a fool would want to be Krsna's mindles slave by attempting to extinguish their individuality, free will and independence thoughts, that makes them the "unique" PERSON they are eternally.

Therefore all individual jiva-souls can voluntary make their own choices and contribute to the relationship they have with Krsna in their own unique way.

Such a nonsense "one-sided" dictatorial relationship in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana would simply make the eternal individual jiva-souls no better than "mindless" lifeless dead stone Prabhupada has warned, just like a lifeless puppet controlled by strings!

Therefore, the individual jiva-souls on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavan ALWAYS have their own independent "free will" that is part and parcel of their unique separate individual marginal identity (As an eternal individual jiva-soul)

This "freedom" of having free will, allows the jiva-souls to each make their own unique personal offerings and voluntary contributions to Visnu or Krsna, where each jiva-soul can offer or serve Krsna in their own unique personal way.

This is REAL freedom.

In this way each individual jiva-soul has their own special unique (personal) association and relationship with Krsna that no other jiva-soul has like theirs.

These loving exchanges are based on a "two-way" relationship between Krsna and the jiva-souls.

However, in the temporary material creation, it is different because those who have entered the material creation have previously chosen to leave the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavan by rejecting Visnu on the Vaikuntha planets or Krsna in Goloka Vrindavana.**<<



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So,  why then does Krsna allow the jiva-souls to have their independent freedom to even leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan if they choose?

Devotee – "In the Srimad-Bhagavatam, it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here? Why doesn’t He save us from thinking like that?"

Srila Prabhupada - "That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C)

First of all we read from above by Prabhupada, Krsna gives the jiva-souls "free will" in the Spiritual Worlds that allows them to make their own choices there. 

Having free will also makes the jiva-souls fully responsible for all their choices and actions. 

Rejecting Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan and therefore having to enter the material creation, (but only less than 10% make such a choice) was a mistake by those jiva-souls because the material creation is NOT the real home of the individual jiva-souls.

It must be clearly understood for love to truly exist, each jiva-soul MUST have their free will to make their own choices, even if it means leaving Krsna if they choose, otherwise there can be no question of genuine love or service.

Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom.” (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

This quality or attribute of free will is part of the jiva-soul's marginal constitutional nature, as an independent free thinking part and parcels expansion of the Krsna.

Krsna allows this freedom that all jiva-souls have because without free will loving exchanges and reciprocation can NEVER exist.

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We CAN misuse that." (Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

Having "free will" is the constitutional make up of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) and is the bases of expressing PERSONALISM. 

This quality of free will is ALWAYS part and parcel of the individual jiva-soul's eternal character and personality in the spiritual world.

This means the jiva-souls can even choose to leave the Vaikuntha Planets or Goloka-Vrindavana if they want.

Free will always allows this and if it didn't then there is no question of loving exchanges.

This is why it is foolish that big, big gurus, sannyasis and scholars in some religious cults wrongly claim once entering the spiritual world the individual jiva-souls can never again leave or fall down again.

No, they CAN fall down again and again and again if they choose to do so! Remaining in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana is also voluntary and the fact is over 90% of eternal individual jiva-souls "choose" to never again fall down.

But less than 10% do choose return to the material world. 

And as said above, such choices or fall downs have nothing to do with Maya (material energy) because Maya does not exist in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.

It is simply the misuse of free will that is the cause of fall down.

The choice to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana is possible because Krsna allows a "two-way" relationship, this means one can accept or reject Krsna if they choose to do so.

Srila Prabhupada  - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will, he misuses his free will. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Talk on Rene Descartes philosophy)

Syamasundara - "But can we predict returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however some do come back?''

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time."

Syamasundara - "And some come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, otherwise there is no meaning of independence and free will. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."

Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence, he CAN fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is NOT to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again." (Talk with Syamasundara on Henri Bergson philosophy)

Even though Krsna has promised there is no return to the material creation once returning to the spiritual worlds, the fact is there IS return if the jiva-souls want to return as Prabhupada explains here-

Acyutananda – "In Bhagavad Gita Krsna says, once coming to the spiritual world, the individual jiva-soul never returns to the material world, so He can return?"

Srila Prabhupada – "If he likes he can return, that is voluntary." 

Guru-kripa – "How is it that one can become envious of Krsna?"

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence, you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God. God has got full independence, but you have got independence too, proportionately, because you are part and parcel, so if he likes, he can return, there is always a choice. That independence has to be accepted. We can misuse that. Krsna-bahirmukha haïä bhoga väïchä kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown." (Mayapur Feb 19, 1976)

Paramahamsa - "But ultimately if we come to Krsna, there’s no return?

Srila Prabhupada - "There IS return, that is voluntary. Return there is."

Paramahamsa - "If we want."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes."

Paramahamsa - "So we can come to the spiritual world and return to the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes."

Paramahamsa - "Fall down?

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, as soon as we think, “Oh, this material world is very nice,” Yes, Krsna says, “yes, you go and enjoy the material world, otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Krsna is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this, you choose." Just like some of our students sometimes go away, again come back. It is free wwill. Or just like one goes to the prisonhouse, not that government welcomes, "Come on. We have got prisonhouse. Come here, come here." He goes out of his free will; again comes out, again goes back. Like that."

Paramahamsa - "So because of our desire to enjoy separate from Krsna, we achieve these temporary material bodies; and our desire to achieve Krsna brings us to our natural position."

Srila Prabhupada - ''Yes." (Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course, May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Devotee - "Well, I believe you once said that once a conditioned soul becomes perfected and gets out of the material world and he goes to Krsnaloka, there’s no possibility of falling back to the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No! There is possibility, but he does not come IF he is intelligent. Just like after putting your hand in the fire, if you are intelligent you will never put it in again. So those who are going back to Godhead, they MUST become intelligent." (Talk with Syamasundara Dasa)

Srila Prabhupada - "As soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice," "Yes," Kṛṣṇa says, "yes, you can go and enjoy or suffer." Otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will and Kṛṣṇa is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this." It is your choice, your free will." (Morning Walk Cheviot Hills May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

All eternal individual jiva souls have these 3 basic qualities as part of their constitutional makeup.

1 - An independent separate sense of self worth able to contribute to their relationship with Kṛṣṇa, 

2 - Eternal individuality and a unique independent identity.

3 - Their own personal unique character and personality. 

Only then can when these qualities exist can there be meaningful reciprocal loving exchanges between Krsna and His marginal living entities (jiva-souls)

It is a fact that sadly, some eternal individual jiva-souls make the wrong choices in the spiritual world Prabhupada has told us, giving the figure of less than 10% who choose to leave and enter the material world.  

As said above, this has nothing to do with Maya or material energy because Maya does not exist there in the spiritual world but free will does.

Srila Prabhupada also explains that over 90% of individual jiva-souls choose to NEVER rebel or leave the spiritual world. 

But sadly less than 10% do rebell and enter the temporary decaying material creation, where one is forced to accept the cycle of repeated birth and death.

Dr. John Mize – “Does Krsna know ahead of time that a soul is going to be foolish and fall?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Krsna? Yes, Krsna may know because He is omniscient”.

Dr. John Mize – “Are more souls falling all the time?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Not all the time. But there is the tendency of fall down, not for all, but because there is independence… Everyone is not liking to misuse the independence. The same example, just like a government constructing a city and constructs also prison house because the government knows that somebody will be criminal. So, their shelter must be also constructed. It is very easy to understand. Not that cent percent population will be criminal, but government knows that some of them will be. Otherwise why they construct prison house also? One may say, “Where is the criminal? You are constructing…” Government knows, there will be criminal. So, if the ordinary government can know, why God cannot know? Because there is tendency."

Dr. John Mize – “The origin of that tendency (to fall from Goloka) is…?"

Srila Prabhupada – “Yes."

Dr. John Mize – "From where does that tendency come?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Tendency means the independence. So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force. Therefore Krsna says,yathecchasi tathä kuru. "Now you do whatever you like." (BG As It Is lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

While in the material creation, their actions, good and bad, come under the laws of material nature called karma, and they have to answer for all they do, good or bad.

Therefore, the full freedom or free will that exists in Goloka Vrindavana and Vaikuntha, certainly does NOT exist in the material creation. 

Choosing to reject Krsna means the eternal individual jiva-souls are FULLY responsible for their own actions, life after life in the material creation. 

Krsna is NOT responsible for the choices each jiva-soul makes, they are.

All the suffering the jiva-souls experience in the material creation is caused by them leaving Krsna in the first place and then reaping the reactions of their own mistaken choices of actions within a temporary material bodily vessel or container within the material creation.

In other words, the individual jiva-soul is punished or rewarded (karma) for what ever actions, good or bad, they have "chosen" to act out in this life that may not be payed for until the next life, or even the life after that.

No one understands how Karma fully works because no one knows how many births we have had in the material creation over billions of years!!

This is important to understand and realize, we are all responsible for our own actions and pay for them with the kind of materialbody we get.

We CANNOT blame God (Krsna) for our suffering in the material worlds. 

Without "free will" in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan, freedom to uniquely serve and love Kṛṣṇa in one's own way from one's heart (personality) will NEVER exist.

This means the jiva-souls must always have an independent sense of self worth, individuality, and their own unique character and perpersonality

As said above, only then can reciprocal love between two exist with Krsna and His marginal living entity (jiva-soul) exist.

Srila Prabhupada has said without free will and the ability to reciprocate as an independent individual servant of Lord Krsna, then we are all no better than a dead stone.

Srila Prabhupāda – "Unless there are "two persons", where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

The eternal individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) can NEVER exist independently from Krsna even though they CAN express their own independent free will that Krsna provides separately for the purpose of allowing "two-way" voluntary exchanges of loving expressions and encouraging unique (individual contributions) personal offerings.

We must never forget that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, if we properly understand this, then we will understand the following discussion that EVERYTHING comes from Krsna including free will-

Swedish man - "Is there free will?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, just like you are sitting here. If you don’t like, you can go away. That’s your free will. There is free will, we are part and parcel of God, therefore we have got minute quantity of freedom." (Temple lecture Stockholm Sweden)

Srila Prabhupada - "Every individual soul is awarded a portion of independence because each is part and parcel of God. Thus he has the quality of independence, but in minute quantity. That is his individuality."

Syamasundara dasa - "Is Krsna within each atom as an individual entity different from every other entity?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, Krsna is there, He is an individual. There are varieties of atoms, and sometimes they are combined together."

Syamasundara dasa - "How is each Krsna different? How is it He is an individual in each of the atoms?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Why is He not an individual? Krsna is always an individual. He is always a person, the Supreme Person, and He can expand Himself innumerably."

Syamasundara dasa - "And is Paramatma a person?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, every expansion is a PERSON. We are all atomic expansions of Krsna, and we are all individual persons. Paramatma is another expansion, but that is a different kind of expansion."

Syamasundara dasa - ''Is the individual jiva-soul also a person?

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, if he were not a person, then how would you account for the differences? We are all different persons. You may agree with my opinion or not, but in any case you are an individual. Krsna is also an individual. Nityo nityanam. There are innumerable individual souls, but He is the supreme individual person." 

Syamasundara dasa - "So even within material atoms, there is spiritual life, an individual spiritual force?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, life force means spiritual force."

Syamasundara dasa - "But even within the dead body there are forces. There is the force of decomposition."

Srila Prabhupada - "Krsna is within the atom, and the material body is a combination of so many atoms; therefore, the force for creating other living entities is also there even in the process of decomposition. When the individual soul's life force is stopped within a particular body, we call that body a dead body. Still, Krsna's force is there because the body is a combination of atoms. The ultimate desire is to realize Krsna. If you take it in that way, that Krsna is within every atom and therefore sanctions whatever is to be. Therefore, Krsna wills that these two elements become one, and therefore the molecules combine to create water, or whatever. Thus there is a creation, and again there is another creation, and so on. In any case, the ultimate brain governing all creation is Krsna." (Dialectical Spiritualism: A Vedic View of Western Philosophy)

We must never forget that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes, if we properly understand this, then we will understand the following discussion that EVERYTHING comes from Krsna including free will.

Srila Prabhupada is simply confirming below that EVERYTHING comes from Krsna and MUST be sanctioned by Krsna first, including FREE WILL. 

Syamasundara dasa - "Does the individual soul have a little independence to choose?"

Srila Prabhupada - ''No (not without the sanction of Krsna) Bhagavad-Gita states that when the individual soul wants to act, Krsna gives the orders. Man proposes, and God disposes."

Syamasundara dasa - "So we have no free will?"

Srila Prabhupada - ''Not independent from Krsna, not without the sanction of Krsna. Without Him, we cannot do anything, therefore Krsna is the ultimate cause of all causes."

Syamasundara dasa - ''But I thought you have been saying that we have a little independence?"

Srila Prabhupada - "We have the independence (free will) in the sense that we may deny or affirm, but unless Krsna sanctions our desires, we cannot do anything." (Dialectical Spiritualism: A Vedic View of Western Philosophy)

Srila Prabhupada here is simply confirming EVERYTHING comes from Krsna and MUST be sanctioned by Krsna first, including FREE WILL.

This is because Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes. Nothing can happen without the sanction of Krsna. 

"Not a blade of grass can move without His sanction."

However, Krsna will ALWAYS sanction free will and the ability to choose,  because without free will, the individual jiva-souls could never voluntary contribute in their own individual unique way to their relationship with Kṛṣṇa, which actually makes it a PERSONAL "two-way" exchange."

In this way, free will and personalism go hand in hand in a "two-way" relationship of loving co-operation and exchanges, just like a "one-way" suppressive dictatorship denying personal contributions and impersonalism also go hand in hand.

Above Srila Prabhupada in his discussion with Syamasundara dasa, is simply making the point that EVERYTHING is under the control of Krsna as the Bhagavad-gita teaches us 

"Not a blade of grass moves without the will of the Lord"

In other words, we only have free will because Krsna allows it.

On the other hand as explained above, without free will the spiritual world would be impersonal and emotionally stagnant and cold like dead stone!

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

All the individual personal contributions from the jiva-souls are forever expanding their unique ability of self expression in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.

This allows them to always make voluntary offerings to Krsna that forever increase and expand loving emotions in healthy "two-way" exchanges between Kṛṣṇa and the individual jīva-souls.

It is VERY important to understand that the individual jiva-souls are "PERSONS" with their own unique individual feelings of self expression existing always in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.

It must be clearly understood for love to truly exist, each jiva-soul MUST have their free will to make their own choices, even if it means leaving Krsna if they choose, otherwise there can be no question of genuine love or service.

Paramahaṁsa -'"So we can come to the spiritual world and return?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Paramahaṁsa - "Fall down?"

Srila Prabhupada - Yes, as soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice," "Yes," Kṛṣṇa says, "yes, you go." Otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Kṛṣṇa is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this." It is free will." (Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course, May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Bali Mardana - ''An example of free will is someone can choose Kṛṣṇa or turn away? Is that example of free will?''

Srila Prabhupāda - ''Yes, because if you accept Kṛṣṇa, then you must follow what Kṛṣṇa says. If you don't follow Kṛṣṇa, then what is the use of talking of Kṛṣṇa? 

Kṛṣṇa says, satataṁ kīrtayanto mām: (BG 9.14) "Always chanting about Me." That is mahātmā. Satataṁ kīrtayanto māṁ yatantaś ca dṛḍha-vratāḥ (BG 9.14). Mahātmānas tu māṁ pārtha daivīṁ prakṛtim āśritāḥ: (BG 9.13) 

Mahātmā, those who are devotee, they are not under these material influence. If he accepts Kṛṣṇa, he must abide by the injunction of Kṛṣṇa." (Morning Walk, Jan 22, 1974, Hawaii)

Srila Prabhupada – “So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force.” (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Cintamani (or the Cintamani Stone), is a wish-fulfilling jewel in Goloka Vrindavana.

Cintamani is ALWAYS aspired to achieve by great devotes because they ONLY desire to please Krsna.

To say you have no desires in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana is Impersonalism or Mayavadi nonsense.

One NEVER loses "desires" in the Spiritual Worlds because THOSE desires are forever expanding to always please Krsna.

It is foolish to think one becomes desireless in the Spiritual Worlds, only impersonalist try to extinguish their desires.

Actually devotees increase their desires in both Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana because they desire to ALWAYS please Krsna more and more.×^

Compiled by Gauragopala Dasa Acbsp (initiated by Srila Prabhupada on July 10th 1972).