Sunday, May 26, 2024

In the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, EVERYTHING is alive with an unlimited variety of "individual" unique life forms.

These eternal individual life forms in Krsna's creation are known as Viṣṇu-tattva who are unlimited direct expansions of Krsna like Balarāma, Narayana, Mahā-Viṣṇu, Garbhodakaśāyī-Viṣṇu, Parramatta etc, and also includes the Viṣṇu-"sakti"-tattva personalities like Radharani and Her associated (internal energy), and then there are the eternal jiva-tattva (jiva-souls) who are separate independent eternal individual life forms.

Then there is Siva-tattva or Lord Siva who is mostly involved in the material world in a league of his own, who is neither Visnu-tattva or Jiva-tattva (jiva-soul)

Life is NOT an "all-pervasive" - "all-one" consciousness as the foolish mayavadi, impersonalist yogis and mundane nonsense scholars wrongly believe.  

There is an unlimited variety of spiritual bodily "individual life" forms in five different categories the jiva-souls can be anytime they like.

Temporary decaying material energy does NOT exist in the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, only "individual life forms" eternal exist their serving Krsna and Viṣṇu in unlimited different spiritual bodily ways.

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there, If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become a flower, voluntarily, and one can change his form in the spiritual world from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb Australia May 20, 1975)

In the spiritual world ALL relationships with Krsna are equally blissful to each other, just like one may like a carnation flower while others may choose to like a rose flower, the blissful exchanges are equal.

The individual spiritual bodily form of the marginal living entities (the eternal individual jiva-souls), have no beginning point, nor will they ever cease to be. 

This is because there is neither birth or death for the eternal individual jiva-soul PERSONALITIES as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

The eternal original spiritual bodily form the individual jiva-soul (marginal living entity) is a two armed spiritual bodily form like Krsna's Form however, the individual jiva-souls can voluntarily change their form in unlimited ways over their eternal existence.

Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul is NOT formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

All individual jiva-souls eternally are a spiritual bodily form, only while the individual jiva-souls are fallen, do they artificially appear as a formless impersonal individual unit or bodiless spark in Krsna's effulgence (the impersonal brahmajyoti)

Revatīnandana dasa - "Srila Prabhupāda you very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen, so does that mean the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm an individual jīva-soul, and if I go to the brahmajyoti am I still fallen."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana dasa - "That means all jīva-souls there in the impersonal Brahman (Brahmajyoti) are also fallen souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition (Goloka Vrindavana and Vaikuntha). The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness."(Letter to Revatinandana dasa, LA 13 June, 1970 and 1971 London)

The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are eternal individual spiritual PERSONS as their perpetual spiritual bodily form as their full potential.  

The eternal individual jiva-souls can ALWAYS voluntarily choose to serve Krsna in a variety of ways, as an unlimited variety of spiritual bodily forms, or reject Krsna if they choose. 

Such "free will" must eternally exist for the individual jiva-souls to allow freedom of expression and service otherwise there can be no question of genuine voluntary loving exchanges and reciprocation with Krsna.

The eternal individual jiva-soul's original perpetual position and "home" is always voluntarily achieved by pleasing Krsna in a variety of ways with personal unique contributions in the Vaikuntha planets, and Goloka-Vrindavana. 

Some pure devotees in the spiritual world may even choose to voluntary serve Krsna in the material world by bringing back to the spiritual world those jiva-souls who have preciously fallen to the material world, like Srila Prabhupada has done.

On the other hand, foolishly choosing to fall down to the temporary material world under maya dictates, and then, due to the frustration of repeated birth and death in the temporary material world, fall even further to the impersonal brahmajyoti, are an un-natural conditioned state of the eternal individual jiva-souls. 

Frustration in the material world trapped within temporary material bodily vessels, causes the eternal individual jiva-souls to attempt to extinguish their eternal individual spiritual identity, personality and character (attempted spiritual suicide) 

The frustrated conditioned individual jiva-souls attempt to artificially become inactive and outwardly appearing as an almost dead dormant bodiless spark in the impersonal Brahman or Brahmajyoti.

This impersonal brahmajyoti is made up of unlimited fallen eternal individual jiva-souls (hovering as inactive bodiless sparks) who also have denied their real position and home in the spiritual world as an eternally fully active spiritual PERSON who is Krsna's dear friend and servant. 

The individual jiva-soul's spiritual bodily appearance is eternally similar to Krsna's form, but they can voluntarily change that at anytime.

They can be a flower, or a tree, or gopi, or cowherd boy, a chair Krsna sits on, or the grass Krsna walks on, or a cloud in the sky Krsna admires, the choices are unlimited.

The eternal individual jiva-souls in the spiritual world can be a flag pole on Krsna's chariot, or even Krsna's chariot, running creek water, a tree, a pathway, a star in the sky Krsna admires etc, and at any moment can change back to a two armed human form in Goloka Vrindavana, or the four armed form on a Vaikuntha planets.

The full potential and original eternal feature of all marginal living entities (eternal individual jiva-souls) is a two-arm form like Krsna's Body.

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?" 

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form, God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri dasa – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – [describing material form first]: "Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri dasa - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is voluntary, some devotee want to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, May 20, 1975)

Fortunately, over 90% of individual jiva-souls choose to stay in the spiritual world's of Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana even though they can choose to leave if they want. However, almost 10% do choose to leave the spiritual world and enter the material world via the dreams of Maha-Visnu.

Dr. John Mize – "Did all the jiva-souls that were in the spiritual sky (the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavan) fall out of the spiritual sky at once or at different times, or are there any jiva-souls that are always good, they’re not foolish, they don’t fall down?"

Srila Prabhupada – "No, there are majority, 90%, they are always good. They never fall down."

Dr. John Mize – "So we’re among the 10%."

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, or less than that. In the material, whole material world all the living entities they are… Just like in the prison house, there is some population, but they are not majority. The majority of the population, they are outside the prison house. Similarly, majority of living being, part and parcel of God, they are in the spiritual world. Only a few fall down." (BG, As It Is. lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

The eternal individual jiva-souls have the free will (freedom of individual self expression) to make their own choices which includes even rejecting Krsna if they choose, otherwise there can be no question of love.#×#

Compiled by Gauragopala Dasa Acbsp (initiated by Srila Prabhupada on July 10th 1972).





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