Deep inside each material massive universe (called a Brahmanda), that originates from the Body of Maha Vishnu, is a secondary material universe where Garbhodakashayi Vishnu, Brahma and many planetary systems exist.

Inside each of the larger material universes (called a Brahmanda), that all originate from the Body of Maha Vishnu, there is a secondary material universe that is found deep inside each Brahmanda.

Furthermore, inside each secondary universe, Maha Vishnu expands as Garbhodakashayi Vishnu and from Him Lord Brahma is born.

Lord Brahma then creates or builds all the Planetary Systems as seen in paintings.

However, all the billions of secondary material universes found deep inside of each of the billions of Brahmandas, are in different sizes, ours has 14 Planetary Systems.

Astrology will NOT save you from the cycle of birth and death so avoid this nonsense.

Astrology will NOT save you from the cycle of birth and death.

Srila Prabhupada - "Avoid Astrology, it will NOT save you at death!" (Letter to Devamaya 01/09/75 ) 

Srila Prabhupada - "Regarding astrology, you should not listen to any of these so-called astrologers -- strictly avoid. Don't even see them. What is the use of seeing them? "Astrology is meant for the materialist, but a spiritualist does not care for the future". Everything is dependent upon Krishna. So where is the necessity of astrology?" (05/03/69 Lecture: Boston, Massachusetts)

Srila Prabhupada - "The devotees' principle is, let there happen anything as Krishna desires. Let me remain sincere devotee, that's all. Pure devotee is never interested in this astrology. So, continue nicely with your deity worship there and read my books very carefully, and without fail chant 16 rounds on your beads daily. I hope this meets you in good health." (05/03/69 Lecture: Boston, Massachusetts)

Srila Prabhupada - "Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated June 6, 1975 and have noted the contents. No, you should not bother with all this nonsense. "Astrology will not save you at the time of death". My Guru Maharaj was a great astrologer and astronomer, but he gave it all up. It is meant for the karmis. We have no interest in such things. I hope this meets you in good health. (A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada 01/09/75 Letter to Devamaya)

For those who disagree, then their argument is with His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada not me.

Even Prabhupada's Spiritual Master, who was a great Astrologer, gave it up as materialistic nonsense and said in this Age of Kali-yuga our ONLY business should be preaching the mission of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu and engaging in mass Sankirtan in every city and village of chanting Hare Krishna.

This nonsense Astrology will NOT save you at death Prabhupada warned us.

Any so called Vaishnava who practises Astrology, even in ISKCON, are bogus nonsense!

When Prabhupada was here, he forbid his disciples to be astrologers, I was there when he said this!

Only after he left in 1977 did bogus devotees start their nonsense Astrology. 

ISKCON is NOT meant to become astrologers, ISKCON is meant to preach ONLY the mission of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

It's Kali-yuga, the science of Astrology is almost lost. 

And in anycase, Astrology is meant for materialists NOT devotees.

Today Astrology is nonsense superstition and speculation.

Astrology is mostly used by Hindus sentimentally for birth dates for children, marriages, days to travel on and school exams.

When Prabhupada was with us no one dared become astrologers because he told us our ONLY mission is the Sankirtan Movement of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

One time in Melbourne he commented how he was told by an Astrologer not to travel on a Tuesday, but was the day important preaching programs were arranged for him.

He told us if we clap our hands in front of the Deities, all Astrological predictions change so what is the use of this Astrology? 

He then went to the preaching arrangement in New Zealand stating devotees depend of Krishna to protect them NOT Astrology.

His Spiritual Master Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur was a great Astrology but gave it up to preach Lord Caitanya's mission.

The truth about Astrology in Kali-yuga -

Srila Prabhupada personally said in his room in February 1973 that in this age of Kali-yuga no one really understands the astrological influences of the Cosmos today in Kali-yuga.

Even though you will find many quotes where Prabhupada rejects Astrology on Vaniquotes, Prabhupada also talks about its deep rooted tradition with Hindus, especially with new borns, marriages, when to travel and when not to travel - it is a very old Vedic tradition.

However, to a Vaishnava, Astrology is NOT important because devotees only business is to follow the teachings of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

Therefore Vaishnavas do not take any Astrological future predictions (speculations) seriously because the science and bonafide teachers are no longer applicable to Vaishnavas in Kali-yuga.

Todays astrological predictions are simply speculation and therefore should be avoided and not taken seriously because the material world is ALWAYS in a state of decay with danger at every step anyway.

Prabhupada said an aspiring Vaishnava does not take Astrology seriously in Kali-yuga and that it is a waste of time to pursue.

Prabhupada told us, what ever influences the planet's and stars have, you can change its effect by clapping your hands and chanting Hare Krishna in front of the Dieties.

The material bodily vessels, even though temporary, are a permanent fixture or post existing within the movement of time that exibit birth, youth, middle age, old age and death in the eternal "presence" perpetually above the movement of past, present and future. The life force, soul or jiva moves through each material body like one drives along a road. Therefore each material body IS experienced by unlimited souls just like unlimited people drive along a road. The road IS the material bodily vessel.

The material bodily vessels, even though temporary, are a permanent fixture or post existing within the movement of space-time.

The material bodily container, costume or vessel, always shows the material universes decaying nature exhibited through the movement of time from birth, to youth, middle age, old age to death.

However from the viewpoint of the soul, these material  pathways or material bodies (posts) are eternal that the life force, soul or jiva moves through, like moving along a road that is divided into past, present and future. 

Therefore each material bodily vessel is experienced by unlimited souls, just like unlimited people experience driving along a road available to everyone too. 

The "long winding roadway" anology IS the material bodily vessel. 

Past, present, and future all exist simultaneously at the same time from the higher viewpoint ABOVE the material universes progressive movement on the mundane level from past to future in the material universe.

Like one sees from above in an airplane, an entire roadway from its beginning to end, the soul can also view the material Body they are in like this too. 

Bhagavad Gita As It is explains in chapter 11 Text 7-

Krsna says - "Whatever you wish to see can be seen all at once in this body. This universal form can show you all that you now desire, as well as whatever you may desire in the future. Everything is here completely". (BG chapter 11 Text 7)

Srila Prabhupada - ''No one can see the entire universe sitting in one place. Even the most advanced scientist cannot see what is going on in other parts of the universe. 

Krsna gives him the power to see anything he wants to see, past, present and future. Thus by the mercy of Krsna, Arjuna is able to see EVERYTHING'' 

Akasha is a Sanskrit word meaning "sky", "space", "luminous", or "ether" 

The Akashic record is like an immense photographic film of past, present and future that one can tap into anywhere on the table of ''material time'' like one can go to any part of a long winding road.

Albert Einstein also concluded in his later years that the past, present, and future all exist simultaneously.

Could it be possible for us to understand, with Vedic knowledge, that past, present and future in the material universe are happening simultaneously, when seen from above, or from a higher dimensional viewpoint, like one in a airplane sees from above, a roadway's beginning, middle and end?  

The fact is, our material bodily vessel is really a 'vessel' that IS the roadway the soul passes along, like one travels on the twists and turns of an already built road or pathway?

In this way our material vessel 'IS' that pathway or roadway traversed along by unlimited jivas. 

What is explained here, is an important way of understanding the fact that "I am not this material body" but the jiva-soul within the material body, known as the individual jiva-tattva or marginal living entity that is riding in the material bodily vessel like one rides in a car.

Understanding this is not easy to comprehend. 

Others see this understanding from a mundane viewpoint therefore cannot comprehend any of this.

What is going on, is NOT eternal repetition, occurrence, or the universe repeating itself! No, every bodily pathway is a permanent fixture or POST of the material universe the jiva souls just move along and through. 

The road way (material body) ALWAYS exist. This is because all material bodily vessels are permanent fixtures just like roadways that have a beginning, middle and end because the roadway is constructed in full.

“Time has no independent existence apart from the order of events by which we measure it.” (Albert Einstein)

"Krsna gives Arjuna the power to see anything he wants to see, past, present and future. Thus by the mercy of Krsna, Arjuna is able to see everything". (Chapter 11 Text 7 Bhagavad Gita as it is)

Every material bodily vessel in the material worlds are a containers that are possessed by individual jiva souls. 

These material vessels possessed by the jiva-soul are a vehicle so the jiva-souls can experience their material desires while in the material universe, such material vessels or bodies are always ornaments, or part and parcel of the decaying material universe. 

The jiva-soul on the other hand is indestructible anti-matter and has no beginning or end therefore can NEVER be destroyed.

Could all material vessels we dwell in therefore be always a permanent fixture within the material universe that continuously exist at each step along the bodies pathway, from the material vessels birth, to youth, to middle age, to old age until its death?

This is NOT eternal return, occurrence or eternal repetition. 

Within the higher dimensions of the space-time within the material universe, all material bodily containers ALWAYS are existing as permanent roadways with different jiva-souls passing along those fixed roadways (material bodily pathways) 

This is often hard to explain and understand as already mentioned.

The material universe only appears to be again re-created and annihilated (due to the journey through past, present and future) however, this is NOT happening by the passing of time but is rather happening through the journey of time. 

Therefore from the bigger picture of seeing the past, present and future all together, one sees these material bodily vessels as it really is. 

Therefore, it is not surprising to understand that all living entities or jiva-soul that enter the material universe, have experienced the exact same bodily vessel we are presently confined too.

Many jiva-souls have experienced the same material bodily costume we have now. 

This is because each material bodily vessel is a ''post'' or a ''costume'' which is a "roadway" the soul moves along.  The soul rents these bodily vessels from the Cosmic Costume Shop that are ALWAYS in there for rent. 

In this regards the "Costume Shop Owner" is Maha Vishnu and all these bodily costumes or material bodily vessels are from His ''dreams''. 

The jiva-souls rents these "material bodily dream vessels" from Maha Vishnu's stockpile of material dreams. He is seen below in painting sleeping and dreaming all the material universes (Brahmandas) 

All material bodily vessels are created by Maha Vishnu's dreaming and are eternally available for rent to the jiva-souls chosen by them according to what they desire or deserve, giving each soul the most suitable material bodily vessel they have desired yet also deserve. 

These material bodily vessels or containers are a permanent roadway, fixture or POST in the material universe that are ALWAYS existing ABOVE the movement of past, present and future that govern the material creation. 

Therefore the jiva-souls simply moves ALONG these roadways (which are in fact material bodily vessels) moving through their past, present and future, from the material bodily vessels beginning (birth) until its end (death)

Everything in the material universe is owned by Maha Vishnu (God) and the jiva soul are given all material bodily vessels from Him. 

After all, these vessels belong to Maha-Vishnu and we are experiencing His material dreams while foolishly ‘thinking’, we are this material gross material body we presently possess.*

The Catholic Church taught Earth is flat, the Earth is the center of the universe and the Sun orbits the Earth. Galileo believed these teachings were all based on ignorance and superstition. The Catholic Church then persecuted Galileo around 1610 culminating with a trial that condemned Galileo Galilei. This was called the Roman Catholic Inquisition that took place in 1633.

Should ISKCON and the Temple Of Vedic Planetarium (TOVP) project in Mayapur learn from the mistakes the Roman Catholic Church made in the early 17th Century?

The Catholic Churches persecution of Galileo began around 1610 and culminated with the trial and condemnation of Galileo Galilei by the Roman Catholic Inquisition in 1633.

This was because Galileo said the Earth planet was not the center of the universe and in actual fact orbited the Sun. 

Galileo was prosecuted for his support of heliocentrism, the astronomical model in which the Earth and planets revolve around the Sun at the centre of the Solar System.

In 1610, Galileo published his Sidereus Nuncius (Starry Messenger), describing the surprising observations that he had made with the new telescope, among them, the Galilean moons of Jupiter. 

With these observations and additional observations that followed, such as the phases of Venus, he promoted the heliocentric theory of Nicolaus Copernicus published in De revolutionibus orbium coelestium in 1543. 

Galileo's discoveries were met with opposition within the Catholic Church, and in 1616 the Inquisition declared heliocentrism to be "formally heretical." 

Heliocentric books were banned and Galileo was ordered to abstain from holding, teaching or defending heliocentric ideas.

Galileo went on to propose a theory of tides in 1616, and of comets in 1619; he argued that the tides were evidence for the motion of the Earth. 

In 1632 Galileo published his Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems, which implicitly defended heliocentrism, and was immensely popular. 

Responding to mounting controversy over theology, astronomy and philosophy, the Roman Inquisition tried Galileo in 1633 and found him "vehemently suspect of heresy", sentencing him to indefinite imprisonment. Galileo was kept under house arrest until his death in 1642.

Initial controversies

The moons of Jupiter, named after Galileo, orbiting their parent planet. Galileo viewed these moons as a smaller Copernican system within the Solar System and used them to support Heliocentrism.

Galileo began his telescopic observations in the later part of 1609, and by March 1610 was able to publish a small book, The Starry Messenger (Sidereus Nuncius), describing some of his discoveries: mountains on the Moon, lesser moons in orbit around Jupiter, and the resolution of what had been thought to be very cloudy masses in the sky (nebulae) into collections of stars too faint to see individually without a telescope. 

Other observations followed, including the phases of Venus and the existence of sunspots.

Galileo's contributions caused difficulties for theologians and natural philosophers of the time, as they contradicted scientific and philosophical ideas based on those of Aristotle and Ptolemy and closely associated with the Catholic Church. 

In particular, Galileo's observations of the phases of Venus, which showed it to circle the Sun, and the observation of moons orbiting Jupiter, contradicted the geocentric model of Ptolemy, which was backed and accepted by the Roman Catholic Church,and supported the Copernican model advanced by Galileo. 

Jesuit astronomers, experts both in Church teachings, science, and in natural philosophy, were at first skeptical and hostile to the new ideas; however, within a year or two the availability of good telescopes enabled them to repeat the observations. 

In 1611, Galileo visited the Collegium Romanum in Rome, where the Jesuit astronomers by that time had repeated his observations.

Christoph Grienberger, one of the Jesuit scholars on the faculty, sympathized with Galileo's theories, but was asked to defend the Aristotelian viewpoint by Claudio Acquaviva, the Father General of the Jesuits. 

Not all of Galileo's claims were completely accepted: Christopher Clavius, the most distinguished astronomer of his age, never was reconciled to the idea of mountains on the Moon, and outside the collegium many still disputed the reality of the observations. 

In a letter to Kepler of August 1610, Galileo complained that some of the philosophers who opposed his discoveries had refused even to look through a telescope -

My dear Kepler, I wish that we might laugh at the remarkable stupidity of the common herd. 

What do you have to say about the principal philosophers of this academy who are filled with the stubbornness of an asp and do not want to look at either the planets, the moon or the telescope, even though I have freely and deliberately offered them the opportunity a thousand times? 

Truly, just as the asp stops its ears, so do these philosophers shut their eyes to the light of truth.

Claudius Ptolemy (A.D. 90–168), whose geocentric system was adopted by the Catholic Church, and supplanted by the work of Copernicus and Galileo in the 16th and 17th centuries.

Geocentrists who did verify and accept Galileo's findings had an alternative to Ptolemy's model in an alternative geocentric (or "geo-heliocentric") model proposed some decades earlier by Tycho Brahe – a model, in which, for example, Venus circled the Sun. 

Brahe argued that the distance to the stars in the Copernican system would have to be 700 times greater than the distance from the Sun to Saturn. 

Moreover, the only way the stars could be so distant and still appear the sizes they do in the sky would be if even average stars were gigantic – at least as big as the orbit of the Earth, and of course vastly larger than the sun (refer to article on Tychonic System and Stellar parallax).

Galileo became involved in a dispute over priority in the discovery of sunspots with Christoph Scheiner, a Jesuit. This became a bitter lifelong feud. 

Neither of them, however, was the first to recognise sunspots – the Chinese had already been familiar with them for centuries.

At this time, Galileo also engaged in a dispute over the reasons that objects float or sink in water, siding with Archimedes against Aristotle. 

The debate was unfriendly, and Galileo's blunt and sometimes sarcastic style, though not extraordinary in academic debates of the time, made him enemies. 

During this controversy one of Galileo's friends, the painter Lodovico Cardi da Cigoli, informed him that a group of malicious opponents, which Cigoli subsequently referred to derisively as "the Pigeon league", was plotting to cause him trouble over the motion of the Earth, or anything else that would serve the purpose.

According to Cigoli, one of the plotters asked a priest to denounce Galileo's views from the pulpit, but the latter refused. 

Nevertheless, three years later another priest, Tommaso Caccini, did in fact do precisely that, as described below.

Bible argument

In the Catholic world prior to Galileo's conflict with the Church, the majority of educated people subscribed to the Aristotelian geocentric view that the Earth was the center of the universe and that all heavenly bodies revolved around the Earth, though Copernican theories were used to reform the calendar in 1582.

Geostaticism agreed with a literal interpretation of Scripture in several places, such as 1 Chronicles 16:30, Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, Psalm 104:5, Ecclesiastes 1:5 (but see varied interpretations of Job 26:7). 

Heliocentrism, the theory that the Earth was a planet, which along with all the others revolved around the Sun, contradicted both geocentrism and the prevailing theological support of the theory.

One of the first suggestions of heresy that Galileo had to deal with came in 1613 from a professor of philosophy, poet and specialist in Greek literature, Cosimo Boscaglia.

In conversation with Galileo's patron Cosimo II de' Medici and Cosimo's mother Christina of Lorraine, Boscaglia said that the telescopic discoveries were valid, but that the motion of the Earth was obviously contrary to Scripture -

Dr. Boscaglia had talked to Madame [Christina] for a while, and though he conceded all the things you have discovered in the sky, he said that the motion of the Earth was incredible and could not be, particularly since Holy Scripture obviously was contrary to such motion.

Galileo was defended on the spot by his former student Benedetto Castelli, now a professor of mathematics and Benedictine abbot. 

The exchange having been reported to Galileo by Castelli, Galileo decided to write a letter to Castelli, expounding his views on what he considered the most appropriate way of treating scriptural passages which made assertions about natural phenomena.

Later, in 1615, he expanded this into his much longer Letter to the Grand Duchess Christina.

Tommaso Caccini, a Dominican friar, appears to have made the first dangerous attack on Galileo. 

Preaching a sermon in Florence at the end of 1614, he denounced Galileo, his associates, and mathematicians in general (a category that included astronomers).

The biblical text for the sermon on that day was Joshua 10, in which Joshua makes the Sun stand still; this was the story that Castelli had to interpret for the Medici family the year before.

It is said, though it is not verifiable, that Caccini also used the passage from Acts 1:11, "Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven?".

First meetings with theological authorities

In late 1614 or early 1615, one of Caccini's fellow Dominicans, Niccolò Lorini, acquired a copy of Galileo's letter to Castelli. 

Lorini and other Dominicans at the Convent of San Marco considered the letter of doubtful orthodoxy, in part because it may have violated the decrees of the Council of Trent -

...to check unbridled spirits, [the Holy Council] decrees that no one relying on his own judgement shall, in matters of faith and morals pertaining to the edification of Christian doctrine, distorting the Scriptures in accordance with his own conceptions, presume to interpret them contrary to that sense which the holy mother Church... has held or holds...

— Decree of the Council of Trent (1545–1563). Quoted in Langford, 1992.[24]

The Council of Trent (1545–63) sitting in the Basilica di Santa Maria Maggiore. 

The Roman Inquisition suspected Galileo of violating the decrees of the Council. Museo Diocesano Tridentino, Trento.

Lorini and his colleagues decided to bring Galileo's letter to the attention of the Inquisition. 

In February 1615 Lorini accordingly sent a copy to the Secretary of the Inquisition, Cardinal Paolo Emilio Sfondrati, with a covering letter critical of Galileo's supporters -

All our Fathers of the devout Convent of St. Mark feel that the letter contains many statements which seem presumptuous or suspect, as when it states that the words of Holy Scripture do not mean what they say; that in discussions about natural phenomena the authority of Scripture should rank last.

The followers of Galileo were taking it upon themselves to expound the Holy Scripture according to their private lights and in a manner different from the common interpretation of the Fathers of the Church...

— Letter from Lorini to Cardinal Sfrondato, Inquisitor in Rome, 1615. Quoted in Langford, 1992

On March 19, Caccini arrived at the Inquisition's offices in Rome to denounce Galileo for his Copernicanism and various other alleged heresies supposedly being spread by his pupils.

Galileo soon heard reports that Lorini had obtained a copy of his letter to Castelli and was claiming that it contained many heresies. 

He also heard that Caccini had gone to Rome and suspected him of trying to stir up trouble with Lorini's copy of the letter.

As 1615 wore on he became more concerned, and eventually determined to go to Rome as soon as his health permitted, which it did at the end of the year. 

By presenting his case there, he hoped to clear his name of any suspicion of heresy, and to persuade the Church authorities not to suppress heliocentric ideas.

In going to Rome Galileo was acting against the advice of friends and allies, and of the Tuscan ambassador to Rome, Piero Guicciardini.

Bellarmine's view

Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (1542–1621), who deliberated upon Galileo's writings in 1615–6, and ordered him to refrain from holding, teaching or discussing Copernicanism

Cardinal Robert Bellarmine, one of the most respected Catholic theologians of the time, was called on to adjudicate the dispute between Galileo and his opponents. 

The question of heliocentrism had first been raised with Cardinal Bellarmine, in the case of Paolo Antonio Foscarini, a Carmelite father; Foscarini had published a book, Lettera ... sopra l'opinione ... del Copernico, which attempted to reconcile Copernicus with the biblical passages that seemed to be in contradiction. 

Bellarmine at first expressed the opinion that Copernicus's book would not be banned, but would at most require some editing so as to present the theory purely as a calculating device for "saving the appearances" (i.e. preserving the observable evidence).

Foscarini sent a copy of his book to Bellarmine, who replied in a letter of April 12, 1615. 

Galileo is mentioned by name in the letter, and a copy was soon sent to him. 

After some preliminary salutations and acknowledgements, Bellarmine begins by telling Foscarini that it is prudent for him and Galileo to limit themselves to treating heliocentrism as a merely hypothetical phenomenon and not a physically real one. 

Further on he says that interpreting heliocentrism as physically real would be "a very dangerous thing, likely not only to irritate all scholastic philosophers and theologians, but also to harm the Holy Faith by rendering Holy Scripture as false." 

Moreover, while the topic was not inherently a matter of faith, the statements about it in Scripture were so by virtue of who said them – namely, the Holy Spirit. 

He conceded that if there were conclusive proof, "then one would have to proceed with great care in explaining the Scriptures that appear contrary; and say rather that we do not understand them, than that what is demonstrated is false." 

However, demonstrating that heliocentrism merely "saved the appearances" could not be regarded as sufficient to establish that it was physically real. 

Although he believed that the former may well have been possible, he had "very great doubts" that the latter would be, and in case of doubt it was not permissible to depart from the traditional interpretation of Scriptures. 

His final argument was a rebuttal of an analogy that Foscarini had made between a moving Earth and a ship on which the passengers perceive themselves as apparently stationary and the receding shore as apparently moving. 

Bellarmine replied that in the case of the ship the passengers know that their perceptions are erroneous and can mentally correct them, whereas the scientist on the Earth clearly experiences that it is stationary and therefore the perception that the Sun, Moon and stars are moving is not in error and does not need to be corrected.

Bellarmine found no problem with heliocentrism so long as it was treated as a purely hypothetical calculating device and not as a physically real phenomenon, but he did not regard it as permissible to advocate the latter unless it could be conclusively proved through current scientific standards. 

This put Galileo in a difficult position, because he believed that the available evidence strongly favoured heliocentrism, and he wished to be able to publish his arguments.

Francesco Ingoli

Inquisition and first judgement, 1616.

First painting -  The trial of Galileo.

The Catholic Church foolisly taught Earth is flat, the Earth is the center of the universe and the Sun orbits the Earth.

Galileo said these teachings were all nonsense and the Catholic Church jailed him for such beliefs...

If you are sincere the Spiritual Master, teacher or Guru will find you, God in the heart will send you a Guru and answer your genuine prayers.

Can Krishna and Guru be found within one’s heart? Then sent to find you, no matter where you are?

I remember the amazing story of a boy who went into an old Cathedral in Melbourne Australia on February 18th 1972 to desperately pray to God within his own heart and within the Church for guidance and direction, crying out within -

"Oh my Lord, please show me the way".

He had entered that church in a totally helpless condition, prayed, and begged to God to ‘please’ show him the way. He felt totally useless and lost in this world and believed no one on the planet has any real understanding of Spiritual life. 

He had experienced so many paths from Christianity, TM, Yogananda, Kahlil Gibran, Mehe Baba, Timothy Leary, Dylan to Lennon. But something was missing.

What could he do? Who could he turn too as a ‘personal’ guide? He tried so many paths, realizing he was not enlightened enough to just accept God in the heart as his only Guru and guide, he needed someone to be there for him an embodied Spiritual teacher to be there right in front of him guiding him.

He new so many people were already his guru or teacher who has shown him so many tasks from day to day in different fields, but there was still something missing.

He never had a bonafide initiating Spiritual Master at this stage.

There was something not quite right and something that just Books alone could never give him but only gave him encouragment to pray for a spiritual teacher, a guide who can teach him the essence in those Books he already had, like Bhagavad Gita As It Is with Introduction by Allen Ginsberg and Nectar of Devotion he was given 8 months earlier in Sydney.

In the Cathedral he knew he had to advance to the next stage of Spiritual re-establishment. 

He needed that personal touch to eulogize the teachings of God he was searching for within his own heart.

So here he was, on his hands and knees in this marvellous old Cathedral called St Pauls in the center of Melbourne praying for guidance, for leadership, for association, for a Spiritual Master. 

It was during those prayers he heard this low pitched mumbling sound; he looked up and saw a devotee of Krsna standing there looking at religious artefacts. Something just fell into place for this young boy, call it intuition or whatever, but he knew that God in the heart had answered his prayer for the ‘personal embodied guidance’ that he desperately needed.

What’s more, the power of God in his heart was a truly amazing experience, that seemed unbelievable, or more to the point, no less than a miracle.

The young Krsna devotee had left a magazine on the seat; the boy picked it up, found where the Temple was and left the Cathedral knowing exactly what to do. The date was February 18 1972.

On arriving at the Temple, he found a festive atmosphere; the devotees were celebrating the Appearance day of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu following the date of Lord Caitanya found in the Book "Teachings of Lord Caitanya". 

In actual fact the date for 1972 was February 29th but the devotees followed the date in the Book "Teachings of Lord Caitanya" which was February 18th.

Some will say that was a coincidence he joined on this most special day however, this boy knew from deep within his heart, it was Krsna IN the heart directing him to the most auspicious day of the Vaishnava calendar.

The young boy was shaved up that day by Sanak dasa and moved into the Temple. 

Just over a month later His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada arrived in Melbourne. With tears in eye, the young boy presented Srila Prabhupada with a beautiful red rose at the Melbourne Airport.

This boy also was previously convinced before entering the Cathedral, that an embodied guru just doesn’t exist. But now he had now realized that Krsna in the heart CAN do anything! Even put an elephant through the eye of a needle! Why not? He is God. 

This means if one looks deep enough within their own heart, believing it necessary to have a instructing Spiritual teacher in person who can guide them and become their initiating Guru above all others, then Krsna, from within the heart, WILL direct a bonafide Guru to you, WITHOUT A DOUBT.

You do not have to find Guru because he will find you.

Remember, the boy never went searching for Krsna, he just prayed to God within his own heart and God sent him Krsna and Guru, twice. 

At the Cathedral where he was directed by a devotee (Sharmananda das) to Lord Caitanya’s Appearance day (where he was asked to play the part of Haridas Thakur in a play) and meeting Srila Prabhupada when he came to Melbourne 45 days later.

The point here is the embodiment of Guru does exist if you want. 

Krsna will sent him if you want. It all depends on us. If we are convinced we do not need an embodied Guru, then Krsna from within the heart will not send one, as you desire.

But even if you’re in the faraway corner of the planet, if you REALLY want the help and association of an embodied Guru, then Krsna from within the heart WILL send you one.

You couldn’t get a place further away from the rest of the world than down under Melbourne Australia. 

This young boy never found Prabhupada, Prabhupada came all the way down there and found him!

Although to be satisfied with the Guru in the form of his books can also be very personal and instructing.

The boy just believed he needed the personal embodied association of a Guru as well in person, simply for the purpose of reciprocating with him in person and following his instructions and guidance. 

This is because we are really not that advanced to do it on our own just with books, we need a Guru to teach us those Books. That’s how the boy felt anyway.

Krsna is in the heart that we must NEVER forget.

The fact is, it is true, God’s representative will come to us in an embodied personal form if we want, if we pray unconditionally, if we learn to have faith in Krsna in the heart. Why not? 

Some today in 2020 want there Guru to only be Prabhupada, but why does it have to be Prabhupada? 

His personal pastimes on this planet finished in November 1977, you don’t think Krsna also has other great pure devotees here waiting for us to attract them by our helplessness? 

Krishna has many pure devotees and many of them Prabhupada personally trained up.

Do we genuinely feel helpless and materially exhausted like that boy did in the Church?

The young boy in the story previously found many ‘gurus’ but none of them found him. He eventually saw through them all and just kept praying and new His Guru (Prabhupada), who eventually found him, was the answers to his helpless prayers back then 48 years ago

It’s a question of what one really wants. 

Some believe they can only accept Prabhupada and to do that they read his books. 

They feel this way because the world is in crisis and struggle, and there is so much suspicion and cheating going on in this age of Kali-yuga, that they do not trust any other so called spiritual teacher or guide.

But remember, Krsna is in our heart and He WILL guide one to a living Guru if one really wants, they DO exist, of course they exist. If one is sincere, Krishna WILL reciprocate. 

The material world is always in crisis but the Guru is ALWAYS one and represents Krishna within our own hearts, and is always somewhere externally here on the planet as well. 

Krsna WILL send His initiating Guru when we are ready, when we need such association and the personal guidance to help us understand, and then initiates us into the guru-shishya parampara (lineage)

NOTE – The young boy was me..**

The origin of the jiva-soul and free will explained.

Srila Prabhupada - “So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot fall down, then that is NOT independence, that is force. Therefore Krsna says, yathecchasi tathä kuru. “Now you do whatever you like.” (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krishna give us free will if He knew we may miss use it?"

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you MUST have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - "So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna?’ I immediately fall down, that is natural. A servant is serving the master, but sometimes he may think that, “If I could become the master.” They are thinking like that; they are trying to become God. That is delusion. You cannot become God. That is not possible. But he’s wrongly thinking."

Vipina Purandara - "Why doesn’t Krsna rotect us from that desire?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He’s protecting. He says, “You rascal, don’t desire. Surrender unto Me." But you are rascal; you do not do this."

Vipina Purandara - "Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?"

Srila Prabhupada - "That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said - "If you catch one girl or boy and demand you love me, you love me, you love me, is that love? You love me, otherwise I will kill you! Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver - you love me otherwise I will kill you! That is not love; that is threatening." Real Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Paramahamsa - "But ultimately if we come to Krsna in the spiritual world, there’s no return to the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "There is return, that is voluntary, return there is."

Paramahamsa - "If we want?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes."

Paramahamsa - "So we can come to the spiritual world and return to the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes."

Paramahamsa - "Fall down?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, as soon as we try, 'Oh, this material world is very nice, yes,' Krsna says, 'yes, you go there. So, they want to enjoy this material world.' Otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Krsna is so kind, He gives him opportunity, 'All right, you enjoy like this.' Just like some of our students, Krsna conscious, sometimes go away, again come back. It is free will. 

Just like one goes to the prison house, not that government welcomes, "Come on. We have got prisonhouse. Come here, come here." He leaves because of his free will; then again comes out, like that. 

Krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare, nikata-stha maya tare japatiya dhare. 

The police are there, if you do anything criminal, immediately you will be arrested, under police custody. The maya may be there, but maya captures him who is NOT remembering he is a devotee of Krsna. Therefore, Krsna says, mam eva ye prapadyante mayam etam taranti te: "Anyone who surrenders unto Me, maya does not interfere anymore."

Paramahamsa - "So our desire to enjoy, we achieve these material bodies; and our desire to achieve Krsna brings us to our natural spiritual position?"

Srila Prabhupada - ''Yes." (Morning Walk, Cheviot Hills May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Dr. John Mize – "Did all the souls that were in the spiritual sky fall out of the spiritual sky at once or at different times, or are there any souls that are always good, they’re not foolish, they don’t fall down?"

Srila Prabhupada – "No, there are Majority of 90%, they are always good. They never fall down."

Dr. John Mize – "So we’re among the 10%?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, or less than that. In the material world all the living entities are in the prison house, but the material world is not where the majority of souls are. They are NOT majority. Just like in a city here, the majority of the population, are outside the prison house. Similarly, majority of living beings, part and parcel of God, they are in the spiritual world, only a few fall down."

Dr. John Mize – "Does Krsna know ahead of time that a soul is going to be foolish and fall?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Krsna? Yes, Krsna may know because He is omniscient."

Dr. John Mize – "Are more souls falling all the time?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Not all the time, but there is the tendency of fall down, not for most, because there is independence so there is the possibility. Most choose to NOT misuse their independence. But still we see the government is constructing the city and also constructs the prison house because the government knows that somebody will be criminal so their shelter must be also constructed. It is very easy to understand. Not that cent percent population will be criminal, but government knows that some of them will be. Otherwise why they construct prison house also? One may say, "Where is the criminal? You are constructing." Government knows, there will be criminal. So if the ordinary government can know, why God cannot know? Because there is tendency."

Dr. John Mize – "The origin of that tendency (to fall from Goloka) is…?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes."

Dr. John Mize – "From where does that tendency come?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Tendency means the independence. So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force. Therefore Krsna says, 

yathecchasi tathä kuru. 

Now you do whatever you like." (BG, As It Is. lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Acyutananda - "So what made the jiva-soul take birth in the material world in the first place?"

Srila Prabhupada - "In the first place?"

Acyutananda - "What is the first birth? What is the cause of the first birth."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, that is stated in the Prema-vivarta:

krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare

nikata-stha maya tare japatiya dhare

We are eternal servant of Krsna. As soon as we want to become master, that is the beginning of our first birth in the material world. 

We have got independence. Krsna says, mamaivamso jiva bhutah—we are part and parcel of Krsna—so Krsna has got full independence, but we are minute; therefore we have got minute independence. 

Our business is to serve Krsna, but as soon as we give up this idea and want to become master, that is the beginning of our material birth." (Lecture SB, Canto 5 Ch 5 text 2-Hyderabad, April 11, 1975)

Acyutananda - "But in the Bhagavad Gita it says, "Once coming to the spiritual world, one never returns to the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "But if he likes, he can return, that is voluntary. " 

Acyutananda - "He can return?"

Srila Prabhupada - "That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that. Krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown." (Morning Walk, Feb 19, 1976, Mayapur)

Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada - "Also existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the NON-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness." (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

The following Conversation took place in Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974 between Srila Prabhupada and his disciples.

Devotee – "When we are in the spiritual sky and serving Krsna, we have a perfect relationship with Krsna, what causes us to fall down in the material world, because we’re already serving Krsna?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Because you desire to fall down. Here it is explained that “Don’t fall down."

Devotee – "Srila Prabhupada, I can’t understand why we should have an impure desire when we are already serving…"

Srila Prabhupada – "Because you have got little freedom. Why one is not coming here and going to the liquor shop? It is his desire."

Devotee – "In the Srimad-Bhagavatam, it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, you forced Krsna to allow you to come. Just like sometimes a child forces his father. Father says, "My dear son, do not do this. Do not go there. But he insists, Oh, I must go. I must go. All right, you go at your risk. That’s all. And you suffer. What can be done?" Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. You have got little independence, so God does not interfere with your little independence. However if you persist that "I must go and enjoy independently," God says, "All right, you can go." This is the position. You have to take sanction. That is a fact. But when you persist, God sanctions. And you come and enjoy." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Question - Is there a place in the spiritual world from where we can never fall down from?

Answer - It is not based on a place you can never fall down from that will keep you in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, it does not work that way because it is based on free will which is ‘’your choice’’ in reciprocation with Krsna. If we are forced to love Krsna, then how can there be genuine love?

Loving relationships are always a two way street based on reciprocation and loving exchanges, it is never a slave domineering master relationship that only destroys one's free will and sense of individual self.

Remaining in Vaikuntha "eternally" is also based on the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) unique selflessness, loving exchanges with Krsna and free will to also choose.

And of course, most importantly being able to freely choose individual "loving" personal exchanges and contributions as an offering while serving the Lord as the perpetual "person" the jiva souls are eternally.

No two jiva-souls are the same, each has their own unique individual personality and character when engaging in loving exchanges with Krsna.

Srila Prabhupāda - "Unless there are two-persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, giving something, taking something, feeding something and to eat something, and speaking everything, no secrecy, and to know everything of the other person. When these things are transacted, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So, if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Evening Darsana, Aug 9, 1976, Tehran) 

With such selfless emotions of loving devotion, the jiva-soul NEVER loses their free will, which means their own individual ability of self expression, when choosing to offer their own personal contributions that are unique to each individual jiva-souls (jiva-tattva)

Each jiva-soul has this eternal quality, which is part and parcel of there perpetual make up or constitution of being an individual jiva-soul eternally.

HERE HERE HERE HERE HERE 

In this way, each of the jiva-soul's have their own individual sense of self, character and personality and being a unique one of a kind in the Spiritual Sky, unlike any other jiva-soul.

Again it is important to understand that no two jiva-souls are the same.

This eternally existing spiritual social code, that includes free will and an independent personal sense of individual self, make up the character and personality of each jiva-soul that is without any beginning or ending point, and is part and parcel of every marginal living entities (jiva-souls) eternal constitution.

This allows the jiva-soul to personally always be aware that they are a unique individual independent PERSONS serving Krsna in the spiritual world.

Free will means, it is the jiva-soul's choice of how to they want surrender and serve Krsna, or even not surrender if they choose however, more than 90% of jiva-souls NEVER choose to leave the spiritual world, only less than 10% foolishly choose to enter the material creation Prabhupada tells us.

It is also their choice of what THEY want to offer and contribute to the Lord, which is the very best from their personal unique abilities and talents they voluntarily choose to selflessly offer to Krsna.

But also each jiva-soul knows it pleases Krsna the most by humbly and selflessly serving the servants of the servants of Krsna in Goloka-Vrindavan or Vaikuntha.

This "selflessness" of serving the servant of the servant of Krsna is the highest realization of love of God.

The fact that one does NOT fall from God's personal Kingdom, is the jiva-souls personal responsibility and choice, and NOT Gods (Krsna).

It is the jiva-souls choice, it is their free will that allows them to choose, and nobody else including Krsna, interferes with that choice. This is because Krsna NEVER forces us to love Him.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling, then there is love. Not by force! Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - ''Because you are Son of God you have got independence, so God does not interfere with your little independence. If you persist that “I must go and enjoy independently'', God says, “All right, you can go and enjoy”. (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada explains in "Nectar of Devotion", that just like the Sun cannot be separated from the sun-rays, similarly Krsna is meaningless without the association of His loving devotees.

And in Krsna Book Prabhupada also further explains -

Srila Prabhupada - "As the sun disc and the sunshine cannot be separated, Kṛṣṇa and His bodily rays, the brahmajyoti, cannot be separated." (Krsna Book, 89)

The relationship between Krsna and the jiva-soul is NEVER one-sided, never forced, never impersonal, it is ALWAYS reciprocal, nurturing, personal and voluntary, in a mood of good exchanges and feelings, ONLY then can there be REAL love.

Srila Prabhupada explained to us many years ago-

"If you love me, then I will love you."

As an example that there must always be loving cooperation and responding in kindness.

The fact is over 90% of jiva-souls choose NOT fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana. 

That "choice" is always there with the jiva-souls eternally.

The jiva-souls or have 78.125% of Krsna's quantities, or 50 of His 64 qualities and puts them in the realm of having their own "sense of independent self, identity, personality, individuality, and the ability to voluntarily choose for themselves. 

This means the jiva-souls have the ability to agree or not agree with Krsna if they choose.

The most important activity to achieve in this rare human form of life, is to AGAIN re-establish one's eternal relationship with Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.

To begin with, the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are always a perpetual bodily FORM that looks like Krsna's form when in their full potential in the spiritual world.

And can change to any form they desire while in both Goloka-Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha planets.

The spiritual bodily form is-

1 - Sat, 

2 - Chit, 

3 - Ananda, 

4 - Vigraha.

Which means-

1 - Eternity, 

2 - Knowledge, 

3 - Bliss,

4 - Form.

The conclusion of the brahmajyoti, brahman and Spiritual Sky, is life exists EVERYWHERE (sarva-gatah), and the jiva-soul's full potential is an eternal individual spiritual bodily FORM.  

This is what the spiritual world looks like represented by Krsna's two armed bodily form and Visnu/Narayana's four armed bodily form. 

 Therefore, being dormant, formless and inactive in the "impersonal" aspect of the brahmajyoti, is a fallen condition of the jiva-souls and NOT their original bodily state of existence. 

The jiva-souls did NOT originate from the impersonal brahmajyoti.

Srila Prabhupada - "God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." So Kṛṣṇa is also like human form, two hands, two legs." The human form is also the full manifestation of the jiva-soul." (Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul is NOT formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14 - Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee - "What is the form of the spiritual body. If the spirit soul is non-material, what is the form?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul always has got form, and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form, God is also human form, man is made after the shape of God. I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first]: Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is voluntary. Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become a flower, voluntarily, and he can change his form from flower to human body. That is spiritual life, there is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 Text 1-4 - Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

The jiva-souls are eternal spiritual living PERSONS and can never be destroyed, terminated or extinguished, the jiva-souls are indestructible and beginningless like Krsna.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." (BG, Ch 2 Text 12)

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)

There is no origin to Krsna's marginal energy (an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls) who have existed for as long as Krsna has existed, which is eternity or infinity. 

Being an "inactive" (dormant) so-called "spiritual spark" in the impersonal Brahmajyoti, is an already fallen unnatural condition of the jiva-soul, who in their full potential, are a spiritual bodily PERSON (form) fully active like Krsna in the spiritual world serving Him explained above, which is the jiva-soul's natural eternal home.

Krsna's effulgence is known as the dormant (inactive) [impersonal] brahmajyoti made up of a collective of "inactive" individual jiva-souls, appearing there AFTER becoming frustrated with the material world's repeated cycle of birth and death, of possessing these temporary bodily vessels over millions of life times. 

The frustrated conditioned jiva-souls attempt to extinguish their eternal existence by attempting to become a bodiless "spiritual individual spark" merged in the impersonal brahmajyoti, which is a "fallen" unnatural artificial state of the jiva-soul.

As said above, appearing in that "fallen condition" in the dormant brahmajyoti as a spiritual spark, is an unnatural condition of the jiva-soul, who in their full potential IS a PERSON as a spiritual bodily form in their eternal original natural state, serving Krsna the Supreme Lord.

Srila Prabhupada - "Existence in the impersonal Brahmajyoti is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness and a fallen condition therefore, those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in a fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. We do not accept anyone elevated to the brahman effulgence as actually liberated, the living entities first falling down to this material world are NOT from the impersonal brahman. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition and that "non-fallen" condition is Krsna cconsciousness. 

As long as one can maintain their pure Krsna consciousness, then he is NOT fallen down. 

As soon as he becomes out of Krsna consciousness immediately he is fallen down. Those who are thinking that they are liberated by being situated in brahman effulgence are described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam as impurely intelligent. So, we do not accept anyone elevated to the brahman effulgence as actually liberated. In other words, they are actually not liberated, and because they are not actually liberated they again come down to the material world." (Letter to  Revatinandana dasa, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "When fall down takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition."(Letter to, Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupāda - "We are only a (dormant bodiless) spark (while fallen in the impersonal Brahmajyoti). But because we are spirit, we cannot remain in that fallen impersonal stage. The jiva-soul wants to enjoy, so for as long as one has forgotten (their spiritual bodily origin while outside of the spiritual atmosphere), one develops a body which is called matter."

Śyāmasundara - "Does the jiva-soul develop a spiritual body?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "No, he is spirit, spiritual identity already. But as we are developing material body, similarly we can revive spiritual body."

Revatīnandana - "You very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen jiva-souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and if I go to the brahmajyoti am I still fallen?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana - "That means all jīva-souls there are also fallen souls."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes." (Aug 17, 1971, London)

Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul's form is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture on BG 2.14 - Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Srila Prabhupāda - "The spirit soul has got form but with our material eyes we foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG 2.14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

As said above, appearing in that "fallen condition" as a "spiritual spark" is the unnatural condition of the jiva-soul, who in their full potential IS a PERSON as a spiritual bodily form associating with Krsna in His eternal pastimes.

The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls), is a "two-arm form" like Krsna's Body.

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness. So how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There MUST be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Lord Krsna is the Supreme PERSONALITY of Godhead and cause of all causes, who IS a eternal bodily FORM as an eternal PERSON.

This also means the proper full potential and appearance of ALL jiva-souls (jiva-tattva) are also eternal PERSONS because they are seen as in Krsna's image.

The jiva-souls are NOT originally an impersonal spiritual bodiless spark in the Brahmajyoti of Brahman as fools believe.

The fact is, only when the jiva-souls choose to forget Krsna do they first enter the material creation, and than fall further to the inactive (impersonal) Brahmajyoti due to becoming frustrated with the temporary nature of material existence (being force to change material bodies in a decaying temporary atmoshere)

Srila Prabhupada - "Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness." (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada – "Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence and may utilized it rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 4/25/1970)

Srila Prabhupada – "Regarding your questions where the spirit souls are coming from? These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities." (Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970)

As Bhagavad Gita says above, the jiva-souls were NEVER created because they have ALWAYS existed without beginning or end. 

Srila Prabhupada – "There is no new souls. New and old are due to this material body, but the soul is NEVER born and NEVER dies, so if there is no birth, so how there can be new soul?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 7/9/1970).^^.

How Srila Prabhupada wanted his ISKCON society managed.

Srila Prabhupada - "The Krsna Consciousness Movement (ISKCON) is for training men to be independently thoughtful, there must be always individual striving, work and responsibility, competitive spirit.

NOT that one shall dominate and distribute benefits to the others and they do nothing but beg from you and you provide. 

No, this centralisation control of all our ISKCON Temples will spoil everything! 

Each temple MUST remain independent and self-sufficient.

I have heard you want to make big plan for centralization of management, I do not at all approve of such a plan. 

Do not centralize anything!

Each temple must remain independent and self-sufficient. That was my plan from the very beginning, why you are thinking otherwise? 

Once before you wanted to centralize with the GBC and if I did not interfere the whole thing would have been killed.

Do not think in this way of big corporation and centralization—these are all nonsense proposals. 

The only thing I wanted was that book printing and distribution (BBT) should be centralized, thats all, otherwise management and everything else should be done locally by local men.

Accounts must be kept, things must be in order and lawfully done, but that should be each temple's concern, not yours. 

The Krsna Consciousness Movement (ISKCON) is for training men to be independently thoughtful and competent in all types of departments of knowledge and action, not for making bureaucracy.

Once there is bureaucracy the whole thing will be spoiled. 

There must be always individual striving, work and responsibility, competitive spirit, not that one shall dominate and distribute benefits to the others and they do nothing but beg from you and you provide, No. 

Never mind  that there may be botheration to register each centre, take tax certificate each, become separate corporations in each state.

That will train men how to do these things, and they shall develop reliability and responsibility, that is the point. (Letter to Karandhara - Bombay 22 Dec, 1972)