Monday, February 18, 2019

Past, present and future can be seen simultaneously Srila Prabhupada explains - "Arjuna can see EVERYTHING that exists in any part of the universe. Kṛṣṇa gives him the power to see anything he wants to see, "past, present and future". Thus by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa, Arjuna is able to see EVERYTHING" BG 11.7 purport.

Could past, present and future exist simultaneously.

How could this be?

Bhagavad-gītā As It Is Chapter 11 Text 7

Translation

O Arjuna, whatever you wish to see, behold at once in this body of Mine! This universal form can show you whatever you now desire to see and whatever you may want to see in the future. Everything — moving and nonmoving — is here completely, in one place.

Purport by Srila Prabhupada 

No one can see the entire universe while sitting in one place. Even the most advanced scientist cannot see what is going on in other parts of the universe. But a devotee like Arjuna can see everything that exists in any part of the universe.

Kṛṣṇa gives him the power to see anything he wants to see, past, present and future. Thus by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa, Arjuna is able to see EVERYTHING". (Bhagavad-gītā As It Is Chapter 11 Text 7)

The great sages and devotees in previous ages thousands of years ago were "tri-kāla-jñā".

Tri-kāla-jñā means they could understand EVERYTHING-

1 - What was in the past,

2 - What there shall be in the future,

3 - And what is at present.

Srila Prabhupada - ''So the point is that five thousand years ago the things which were written for this age, how they are coming to be true in our experience. That is the point: how they could see past, present, and future so nicely? The sages were known as tri-kāla-jñā. Tri means three. There is almost similarity, tri and three. Tri is Sanskrit, and three is English or Latin, but there is similarity. Tri-kāla-jñā.

Tri means three, and kāla means time.

Time is experienced by three ways:

1 - past
2 - present
3 - future. 

Time limitation, past, present and future. Whenever you speak of time, it is past, present or future.

So the sages in those days were tri-kāla-jñā. Tri-kāla-jñā means they could understand, they could know what was in the past, what there shall be in the future, and what is at present.

Just like in the Bhagavad-gītā Kṛṣṇa says,

"My Dear Arjuna, you, Me, I, and all these kings and soldiers who have assembled in this battlefield, they were all individuals, and we are still individual. And in this past, in the future, we shall all remain individuals."

That past, present, and future, he explained.

Another place Kṛṣṇa says, vedāhaṁ samatītāni (BG 7.26). Atītāni, atītāni means past. Vartamānāni ca, "and present." So that is yogic power.

One CAN know past, present, and future''. SB 12.2.1 -- San Francisco, March 18, 1968 (end of quote)

There is still a lot more to learn about the movement of the marginal living entity through material space and time divided into past, present and future. 

We have only scratched the surface in understanding Vedic texts in the 50 years since Srila Prabhupada made his valuable contribution to the Western World.

The movement of time is eternally divided into past, present and future while this material universe exists.

And all material bodily vessels or containers (within the 8 million 400 thousand species) are part and parcel of the fabric of the material energy controlled by time that governs and pervades this material temporary creation.

Matter or material energy is lifeless and takes up 1/4 of the Spiritual Sky however, material energy is "moved" by life.

The individual jiva soul is accompanied by Paramatma (Vishnu) and enters the mundane material creation giving dead matter "movement".

In the material creation the jiva souls are simply the passengers riding in/on the fabric of material energy.

The individual marginal living entities or jiva-souls exists in those vessels given to them by Maha Vishnu according to their desires.

Also the reactions to past pious and impious actions also determine what type of a material body one gets.

So yes, it is possible to see past, present and future in the material creation all existing imultaneously 

Just like in a plane one see the an entire roadway, from its beginnings, to just middle, and where it ends.

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Because of the material desires, the individual marginal living entity would eventually repeat themselves over eternity.

There is no harm in philosophical speculation as long as we do not deviate from sastra, how else are we to learn?

Many have asked, "could the past activities of Arjuna still be happening today somewhere in the universe with another jiva playing that part?"

Due to the past, present and future happening simultaneously, well could his bodily vessel also be a 'post' like Brahmas?

Meaning only those individual marginal living entities that are qualified can also experience their relationship with Krishna while in that vessel as Arjuna.

If this is true, the material universes are also repeating themselves except with a different batch of individual jiva souls possessing the material bodily vessels in each repetition or reoccurrence of the material universe.

Spiritual energy is made up of individual souls, spiritual energy is NOT all one.

However, material energy that makes up all material bodily vessels or containers is all one. For example when the material body we are in wears out and decays, it breaks down and merges back into the material elements or the earth around us.

Only the soul never decays and eternally remains an individual person.

Could the material universes concept of time of past, present and future exists all at the same time?

This means that all material bodily vessels, like yours and mine, are a permanent fixture of the particular material universe it is in and is eternally repeating itself as it goes through its temporary phases of existence in this impermanent universe.

Srila Prabhupada always encouraged us to have personal realizations and yes this one is more thought provoking that even Einstein believed was possible.

Keep in mind, the 'dreams' of Maha Vishnu are mind boggling and if Arjuna could view past, present and future simultaneously, maybe it all does exist together as he saw it.

I have not found anything on this subject to verify or deny these realizations but this would also mean time travel is possible because the past and future already exist however, it would impossible to change the past or future as it is fixed.

One is just traveling through what is already there, what already exists like traveling on a road that already exists.

Another example is just like when one rewinds a video tape, the contends captured will always be the same at every stage on the tape.

Similarly, there are some who believe that the body we are now in is like a 'post', meaning time and space itself is recorded on the eternal level in the material universe and we can take our next birth in a bodily vessel that has already existed in past time, present time or future time.

That means when we choose a bodily vessel, the pathway of that body is already existing in another time zone because each material body is a permanent fixture of this material universe known as the Maha-tattva.

What I am trying to say here is all the 'dreams' of Maha Vishnu are all happening 'now' which means past, present and future exist simultaneously and we can move into any bodily vessel that exists in the past, present or the future.

The material energy is all one but NOT the life force that is individual units as Prabhupada has taught us.

This is important to understand as there are many impersonalists who believe there is one all pervasive life force that moves through all material bodily species.

Their ideas are wrong and these ideas has nothing to do with such impersonalism.

In the material creation everything already exists like a long roadway already exists.

Similarly the pathway or roadway of the material bodily vessels, gross or subtle, that we possess, like the roadway, is already carved out and we are simply passengers on that roadway in that bodily vessel container for its journey.

In other words, one who worships the rich and famous can take birth in the material body they worship after being trained up to be qualified to take that birth which in itself would take many, many, many births just for the opportunity to be famous for one insignificant life time.

What a ignorant selfish waste of time.

If those souls in those material vessels knew what they had to go through to attain that famous bodily materialistic existence, they would have second thoughts about seeking material fame and wealth on this planet or the heavenly planets.

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Just like one can take the 'post' of Lord Brahma if they are qualified.

So all materials vessels are also "posts"  just like Lord Brahmas material body is also a post.

Yes I believe so.

Usually the most pious living entity in this material universe can take up the post of Lord Brahma when the next universe manifeasts.

In the same way; we are all awarded with a material bodily vessel according to our past pious and impious activities or karma.

All individual living entities perceive time as a chain of events moving through the roadway of past, present and future.

However, from above, like one sees from above a journey on a road where one sees the beginning, middle and end, means "materially" one can see all past, present and future exist together like every point on the journey of a roadway also does.

Conclusion

The explanation in the above essay is correctly suggesting that all material bodily vessels or pathways, ALWAYS exist in the dreams of Maha Vishnu.

This may give the impression of eternal repetition or occurrence but no, the material universe is in constant state of moving or flowing through the existence of past, present and future.

However, moving through the pathway of birth, childhood, youth, middle age, old age and death is the only reality repeatedly existing, but ONLY from the view of past, present and future.

In other words, what is seen from above the movement of material time, is all of Maha Vishnu's dream existing simultaneously.

This means all past, present and future are ALWAYS is existing.

This means a contand for others souls to also traverse.

What is said above in this essay, is all material bodily vessels or containers we are in, are always the property of Maha Vishnu and always remain part of His dreaming material creation.

In Maha Vishnu's dreams, every senerio conceivable is ALREADY existing past, present and future.

The dreams of Maha Vishnu's dreams are similar to a "costume shop" full of many different costumes (realities) one can choose to enter.

Every jiva-soul who enters the material creation, must go this so called costume shop of material bodily vessels or dress shop that are all created from the dreams of the sleeping Maha Vishnu.

This is where the jiva souls are offered a particular material bodily vessel by Maha Vishnu according to their material desires, so they can enter into the material creation with a suitable material body that is in accordance with their material desires.

Maha Vishnu owns all such material vessels that are part and parcel with everything else in the material creation He is dreaming.

Therefore, those who have chosen to enter the material creation, must go to Maha Vishnu's dreams and choose a material bodily vessel from His unlimited dreams of all material affairs.

Everything conceivable material bodily vessel or container, exists in Maha Vishnu's dreams, every scenario possible, no matter how strange or bizarre, already exists in the dreams of Maha Vishnu.

All that there is, all that there will be, every combination of material existence, already exists in His dreams.

It is these material bodies (coming from Maha Vishnu's dreams) all jiva-souls in all the billions of Brahmanda universes coming from Maha Vishnu, must choose from, just like one chooses from a variety of costumes from a Fancy dress store.

Regarding eternal associates of Krishna like Arjuna, there is a different set of rules.

The fact is, Arjuna is with Krishna in innumerable different material universes at one time, and there is only ONE spirit soul who is Arjuna.

The jiva-soul therefore of a surrendered soul to Krishna, CAN expand or project his consciousness into many different material bodies at once and be just the "one soul" in all those material bodies.

Yes this is very true as sastra tells us.

The fact is the jiva-soul in Arjuna's material bodily vessel is the same Arjuna in all the different universes.

This is achieved because the one jiva-soul (Arjuna) expands himself into many different material bodily vessels or containers (bodies) that are all also him, "just one soul" in his case.

Such actions of Arjuna is rare.

A yogi can also project his consciousness and be in 8 different material bodies at one time.

But this is NOT the case with every material bodily vessel in the material creation!

It is only some rare eternal associates of Krishna.

This is NOT the case with the different Lord Brahmas in each of their small universes that deep within and surrounded by the greater Brahmanda universal shell, is a different jiva-soul and not one jiva-soul.

So in every material bodily  vessel of Lord Brahma, there is a different jiva-soul every time Maha Vishnu dreams up all the billions of Brahmanda universes in the material creation.

All Brahmas are NOT the same "one soul" There are billions of different jiva-souls who become a Brahma in all the different univeses.





There are those who believe the material universe is continuously repeating itself each time Maha Vishnu creates the material Brahmanda universes, but is that true?

Actually, it only "seems" that way because everything that is, and can be, already exists within the dreams of Maha Vishnu.

This means the material universe, including all bodily vessels, is continuously existing with an endless flow of individual jiva souls possessing those material bodies (passing through them)

Therefore it only "seems" the material universe is repeating itself when in actual fact it isn't.

This is because each material vessel or container eternally exists within the material dreams of Maha Vishnu, and is therefore a permanent "post" that "always" exists as a pathway for visiting souls to simply travels through while in the material creation.

Remember all these material bodily containers ARE coming from the dreams of Maha Vishnu.

It is therefore the souls that move through the journey of material existence in a material body experiencing its birth, youth, middle age, disease, old age decline and decay, and its death and rebirth if one fails in getting out of this temporary material mundane world of repeated birth and death.

Being in a material bodily vessel or container, is like one who travels on a pathway or road that leads to a destination. The fact is, these "pathways" have always existed that many others have experienced and many more will experience (the journey of material bodily containers or vessels)

This is what is really happening in the material creation instead of eternal repetition.

Material existence is always moving through time (past, present and future) from its creation to annihilation (birth, youth, disease, old age, death) of material bodies.

This process "seemingly repeats" itself again and again when the material universe is created again by Maha Vishnu but that is NOT what is going on.

The fact is, in reality the material bodily vessels are a permanent fixture or post existing "within" the dreams of Maha Vishnu that jiva souls simply move through, like one moves on a roadway or path.

Another way of looking at this-

Just like there always exists a fancy dress shop in society where one can go and rent costumes to expeience a particular play, similarly every material bodily vessel conceivable exists in Maha Vishnu's "fancy dress shop of material costumes that one can rent if they desire" (From within His dreams that are available for all jiva-souls to rent).

Therefore each time the material universe is again created or manifests, a different batch of jiva-souls enters that pathway of material bodily vessels (costumes that cover the soul)

The fact is, like costumes in a fancy dress rental shop, all bodily vessels in the material universe are a permanent fixture within Maha Vishnu's dream of material creation.

The fact is, each material bodily "costume" is a permanent "post" within Maha Vishnu's dream of material existence that provides the experiences of birth, youth, disease, old age and death,

These material vessels or costumes always remains the property of Maha Vishnu's dreams

The cycle of material existence from creation to decay continues on eternally with the continuous flow of souls appearing in each material body at the beginning of that material bodies creation and experience its journey through to its annihilation or demise.

In other words, each time the universe is created and "seemingly" repeats itself, a different batch of soul takes the "post" or that material bodily vessel from Maha Vishnu's dreams.

Therefore, the next time around (the next material creation created by Maha Vishnu), all the exact same material bodily vessels will again exist, but with a new batch of jiva-souls in them.

This means within each material bodily vessel, exists a different soul playing that part, different from the previous occupant who played that exact same roll in the previous material creation.

This means the material universe "seems" to eternally be repeating it's self, but in actual fact it is fixed.

This is also called "Eternal repetition" meaning the MATERIAL universe exists again and again throughout all material time.

However, remember the "soul" is NOT the material bodily vessel.

The material body is only like a garment and the soul is a passenger in that garment or riding in the material body.


1 comment:

  1. The life force (anti-material jiva-tattva-soul) CAN travel "outside" of material time (the pathway of past, present and future) that the material bodily vessel and this material world are part and parcel of.

    The material body and its surroundings are all part of the material energy moved by material time. The soul is NOT part of the material energy, it is only covered by it.

    This is because the "jiva soul" covered by the material bodily vessel, is only a passenger of the material energy, and who is ALWAYS an eternal Spiritual living entity (anti-matter)

    The jiva soul's in their original position, lives in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana and has nothing to do with the material dream creation.

    So just like one from above in the sky in a aircraft, can see the beginning, middle and end of a road, similarly it is possible to see all past, present and future simultaneously by viewing from above the pathway of past, present and future (beginning, middle and end) "outside" of this material body.

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