Devotee – “When we are in the spiritual sky and serving Krishna, we have a perfect relationship with Krishna, what causes us to fall down in the material world, because we’re already serving Krishna?”
Srila Prabhupada – “Because you desire to fall down. Here it is explained that “Don’t fall down.”
Devotee – “Srila Prabhupada, I can’t understand why we should have an impure desire when we are already serving…”
Srila Prabhupada – “Because you have got little freedom. Why one is not coming here and going to the liquor shop? It is his desire.
Devotee – “In the Srimad-Bhagavatam, it says that Krishna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krishna did not want us to come, why are we here?”
Srila Prabhupada – “Yes. You forced Krishna to allow you to come. Just like sometimes a child forces his father. Father says, “My dear son, do not do this. Do not go there.” But he insists, “Oh, I must go. I must go.” “All right, you go at your risk. That’s all. And you suffer. What can be done?” Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, almighty—therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. You have got little independence. So God does not interfere with your little independence. If you persist that “I must go and enjoy independently,” so God says, “All right, you can go.” This is the position. You have to take sanction. That is a fact. But when you persist, God sanctions. And you come and enjoy”. End of quote
So is there a place in the Spiritual World from where we can never fall down from?
Answer - It is not based on a "place you can never fall down from" that can keep you in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana, it is based on free will and ‘’your choice’’.
If you were forced to stay there then how can there be love?
Remaining in Vaikuntha "eternally" is based on the conscious awareness and choices of the jivatma as a unique selfless individual, independent person.
It is these qualities that makes one an individual ''person'' who realizes their own sense of identity, responsibility and unique character that allows one to experience the ability to make one's own individual choices and contribute as an individual and not as an impersonal collective that denies the individuality and contributions of each jivatma
This is the only way being the servant of the servant of the servant of Krishna works instead of the "mindless impersonal" surrender that has no individual contribution or expression and therefore no ability to love.
Such mindless impersonal surrender is the real hell.
Even in selfless emotions of loving devotion to Krishna, the jivatma NEVER loses that unique ability of free will and self expression where one is "personally" always aware of how they selflessly serve Krishna via the servants of Krishna.
Therefore the fact that one does not fall from God's personal Kingdom is the responsibility of the individual jivatma, not Gods.
It is your choice, it is your free will to choose and nobody else including Krishna, although it is a fact 90% of all living entities do NOT fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana because they "choose NOT to".
That "choice" is ALWAYS with the marginal living entities or jivatmas, not even Krishna will force surrender and if He did then how can there be love?
You cannot force others to love you with the barrel of a gun Prabhupada has told us.
The jivatma soul or marginal living entity has 78% of Krishna's quantities which puts them in the realm of having "a sense of independence, identity, personality, individuality and the ability to choose.
This means the jivatma has the ability to agree or not agree even with Krishna.
The sense of individuality allows the jivatma the right to choose Krishna or choose to be separate from Krishna.
Remember Maya and the material energy does not exist in Vaikuntha so that is unknown to the jivatma.
However, "free will, individuality, having independence, experiencing a unique sense of individual self worth and the ability to express all these qualities DOES exist in the makeup of the jivatma in Vaikuntha.
And if all those abilities are taken away, then we lose the ability to give and accept love, we become no better than a stone or mindless robot.
Srila Prabhupada - “Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, almighty—therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. You have got little independence. So God does not interfere with your little independence”. Conversation in Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974.
No one can force you to stay in Vaikuntha, that choice must "always" be the jivatmas (our choice). For love to truly exist with the jiva-tattva (jivatma) we MUST have the the right to choose to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana at anytime.
And the fact is a very small minority do choose to leave, regardless of how some have interpreted past Sages and Acharyas.
To say those who enter Vaikuntha will "never ever again fall down" IS true - ‘’that is, for those who choose NOT to fall down".
In other words, if the jiva wants to leave they certainly can.
To make a blanket comment that "not even the leaves fall and leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana" seems to not take into consideration the free will of the jiva tattva.
These comments from past Sages and Acharyas that say the jiva can never fall down once in Vaikuntha may have been said for many reasons, to give faith among aspiring devotees and neophytes to encourage them to understand that their constitutional position IS to NEVER ‘’choose’’ to leave Vaikuntha!
And NEVER ‘’desire’’ to enter the material world once they are in or returned to Vaikuntha.
However to come to the material world is ultimately the jiva tattva's choice and Krishna does not interfere even though Krishna has promised there is no return to the material creation.
The fact is there is if the jiva tattva wants to return, this is Prabhupada's point here -
Srila Prabhupada - ” So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krishna? Why not become Krishna?’ I immediately fall down. That is natural. A servant is serving the master, but sometimes he may think that, “If I could become the master.” They are thinking like that; they are trying to become God. That is delusion. You cannot become God. That is not possible. But he’s wrongly thinking”.
Vipina Purandara - “Why doesn’t Krishna protect us from that desire?
Srila Prabhupada - “He’s protecting. He says, “You rascal, don’t desire. Surrender unto Me.” But you are rascal; you do not do this”.
Vipina Purandara - “Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that? ”
Srila Prabhupada - “That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krishna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.
Acyutananda – “But in the Gita, it says, “Once coming there, he never returns. He can return?”
Srila Prabhupada – “If he likes he can return”.
Guru-kripa – “How is it that one can become envious of Krishna?”
Srila Prabhupada – “You have got little independence, you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God, God has got full independence, but you have got little independence, proportionately, because you are part and parcel, if he likes, he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that. Krishna-bahirmukha haïä bhoga väïchä kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown”. (Conversation, Mayapur, February 19, 1976) End of quote
Sadly others will not accept these amazing very clear conclusions Prabhupada also gives us.
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