Gauragopala Das ACBSP: Srila Prabhupada - "We are not the owner of this material body, not the owner of the senses. The senses are "hired" from the Supreme Lord. This is very subtle understanding, one should know the proprietor of the senses is God." (March 1966, New York City)

All the material bodily vessels the eternal individual jiva-souls wears like a garment in the material world, all come from Maha-Visnu's dreams and are owned by Him.

All eternal individual jiva-souls (individual living anti-matter beings) who choose to enter the material world (non-living matter) must first "hire" a material bodily vessel from Maha-Visnu.

Also without "free will" the eternal individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) could never experience unique individual voluntary acts of self expression or be able to contribute personal offerings to Krsna in a "two-way" relationship of loving reciprocation.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you MUST have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

"Free will" means voluntarily contributing to one's eternal relationship with Krsna which makes the relationship always a two-way exhange of loving emotions.

Free will means the eternal individual jiva-souls can choose to reject Krsna at anytime, otherwise "free will" has no meaning.

The eternal individual marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are eternal parts and parcels of Kṛṣṇa yet are known as Krsna's separated expansions.

The eternal individual jiva-soul's (marginal living entities) natural constitution is they ALWAYS exists without any beginning or end on the spiritual planets.

However, some (less than 10%) choose to enter the material world and leave the spiritual world (but only temporarily.)

As said above, free will in its full potential ONLY exists on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavan, which are the eternal individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) original perpetual home for infinity.

As Srila Prabhupada explains, the relationship between Krsna and the individual jiva-soul is never a "one-way" domineering relationship that denies voluntary self-expression and personal contributions or offerings.

Loving exchanges and reciprocation are ALWAYS based on a relationship between two because loving exchanges can only exist when there are two involved Prabhupada explains-

Srila Prabhupāda – "Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it, that is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada – "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

Ultimately, each individual jiva-soul is a unique person as eternal spiritual bodily form, who can choose for themselves to voluntarily serve Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, or ignore Him if they choose.

As Prabhupada explains, Krsna never forces the jiva-souls to surrender to Him, He never forces the jiva-souls to love Him, that all must be voluntary.

For free will to truly exist these options of free expression and personal contributions must always be there.

Srila Prabhupada – "Krsna NEVER forces you to love Him, that MUST be voluntary. Love is reciprocal, good exchange of feeling, then there is love, not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that by the threat of a gun." (July 8, 1976)

Devotee – "In Srimad Bhagavatam, it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, then why are we here? Why doesn’t Krsna save me from thinking like that?"

Srila Prabhupada - "That means you lose your independence, that is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy and demand from them, you love me, you love me, you love me. Is it love? You love me otherwise I will kill you! Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. You love me, otherwise I shall kill you! That is not love; that is threatening. Real love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling, then there is love, not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rapist?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C).

The eternal individual jiva-souls on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana, are forever expanding their unique expressions due to their individuality, with personal offerings (contributions) based on free will (freedom of expression) with selfless loving exchanges and reciprocation with Krsna, it is NEVER a "one-sided" impersonal master/slave relationship with the Krsna (God).

Real love, bhakti or service is reciprocal, as said above, it is NEVER on a "one-way street" of domination where this impersonal "surrender" to Krsna takes away the individual jiva-soul's free will, sense of independent self, individuality, voluntarily expressing one's unique personality by offering their personal contributions to Krsna.

This is important to understand because each individual jiva-soul has their own autonomous personality separate from Krsna's Personality, having their own unique characteristics THEY each only uniquely have that no other individual jiva-soul has.

Each eternal individual jiva-soul is a unique one of a kind individual meaning no two jiva-souls are the same.

All these qualities are part and parcel of each individual marginal living entities (jiva-soul's) constitutional make up in the spiritual world as the independent unique separated "PERSON" they are eternally.

The paradox is the eternal individual jiva-soul's have their independence but are simultaneously dependent on Kṛṣṇa the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes.

Srila Prabhupada - "Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. "So God does not interfere with your independence."(Conversation Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Having the qualities of being an eternal PERSON like Krsna as a spiritual bodily form, also includes the jiva-souls having their FREE WILL as part and parcel of their constitutional make up as said above.

Krsna does not want to be surrounded by mindless drones who have no idea how to voluntarily make their own offerings and contributions in their relationship with Krsna that enriches it with mystery, wonder, suprises and forever expanding loving mellows.

Each eternal individual jiva-soul always has their unique idependent individuality, as part of their constitutional make up, to make these personal contributions that expand and enrich the relationship of loving exchanges between Krsna and His devotees.

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Sadly, many foolishly believe extinguishing your individuality and free will and just becoming Krsna's yes men/women is the real meaning of surrender. They are wrong!

Their belief is-

"Hand over and "surrender" your individuality and free will by letting Krsna's will flow through you and control your every actions and thoughts like a puppet master controls a puppet."

Such dictatorial impersonal loveless so called surrender always ends in spiritual suicide.

Real surrender on the other hand, is to use your free will to voluntarily choose to serve Krsna with personal contributions in a "two-way" relationship of cooperation, recognition, reciprocation and loving exchanges. This is the difference between PERSONALISM and IMPERSONALISM.

Love is NEVER a "one-way street," the individual jiva-soul's MUST have their free will too, which is only possible in a "two-way" exchange of voluntary offerings and service.

The "spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana are NOT a dictatorial "one-way" impersonal directive, or a domineering demanding totalitarian that denies personal contributions, where God (Krsna/Visnu does all the thinking and decision making for you, no, the spiritual planets are NOT impersonal or emotionally dead like that.

The fact is, on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana (the Kingdom of God) there are ALWAYS loving exchanges, cooperation, personal unique individual contributions based on "free will", and loving enriching reciprocation going on between "two," between Krsna and His devotees because without these attributes there can never be loving exchanges.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that." (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Therefore "loyalty" is ALWAYS a "two-way" street where the jiva-souls have their own unique individual personality seperate from Krsna's Personality, allowing them to add their own personal unique expressions into the relationship with Krsna that expand and forever enhances and enriches one's friendship with Krsna.

Krsna will NEVER "force" the individual jiva-souls to do what we do not "choose" to do on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana because they have contributions too and are NOT Krsna's mindless pawns, puppets and Krsna's emotionless "yes" Men/Women.

Srila Prabhupada - "Krsna does not want to become a lover by force, from the point of revolver. You love me, otherwise I shall kill you! That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force. Why one is called lover, another is called rapist?” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

So, clearly surrendering to Krsna and His pure devotees is NOT impersonal, it does NOT mean giving up your intelligence, free will, individuality and the awareness of being an independent unique contributing person you are eternally.

The spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana are NOT an impersonal domineering mindless place for the individual jiva-souls, where Krsna does all the thinking for them in their relationship with Krsna.

No, the Kingdom of God is not impersonal like that in anyway, there is ALWAYS voluntary loving exchanges going on based on reciprocation between Krsna and His devotees in a two-way exchange.

Srila Prabhupada - “The jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is voluntary. Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want that "As a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna," he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

One's relationship with God (Krsna) in His Kingdom is NEVER a "one-sided" master/slave mindless none contributing dictatorship as explained above, Prabhupada is telling us here.

The jiva-souls on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana are forever voluntarily expanding the expression their individuality with an increasing variety of personal devotional offerings based on personal contributions and free will.

Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is NOT love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupāda – "Unless there are two persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada - "Their (impersonalist) philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There MUST be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant..." (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974).".

To enter the material creation, the visiting jiva-tattvas (jiva-souls) have to approach Maha-Visnu to hire a material bodily vessel from Him in order to experience their own selfish desires separate from Krsna and His spiritual abode.

The visiting jiva-souls enter the material creation by first hiring a material bodily vessel from the dreams of Maha-Visnu.

Srila Prabhupada – "Actually all existence in the material world is a dream of Maha-Visnu, as the Brahma-Samhita describes –

“This material world is created by the dreaming of Maha-Visnu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29 text 83)

Srila Prabhupada - "Everything happening within time, which consists of past, present and future, is merely a dream. This is the secret in understanding in all the Vedic literature." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29 text 2b).

Srila Prabhupada - "Factually all of material existence is only a dream. Thus there is no question of past, present or future. Persons who are addicted to karma-kanda-vicara, which means ‘working for future happiness through fruitive activities’, are also dreaming. Similarly, past happiness and present happiness are merely dreams." (SB Canto 4 Ch 29 text 2b)

Therefore, all material bodies are provided to the jiva-souls who reject Krsna and Visnu by Maha-Visnu.

This includes all material facilities that are also provided by Maha-Visnu to those jiva-souls who can no longer stay in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana because of their rejection of Krsna or Visnu.

No jiva-souls (marginal living entities) originate from Maha-Visnu; they only move to His Body and then through Maha-Visnu'a dreams, which includes every material bodily vessel possible, "hire" a material bodily vessel (pathway) that match their desires for their journey into the temporary material creation.

There are unlimited material bodily vessels available to the jiva-souls that instantly place them in Maha-Visnu's material creation.

The jiva-souls (marginal living entities), just like Krsna, were never created and had no origin.

Krsna and the jiva-souls are like the Sun-disc and the sun-rays that cannot exist without each other; therefore, Krsna and the jiva-souls have always existed and were never created.

The real home of the jiva-souls is the Vaikuntha planets of Lord Visnu, or Krsna's central planet of Goloka Vrindavana.

No jiva-souls originate from Maha-Visnu or His the temporary mundane material creation. or from being merged inactively (dormant) in the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

From Maha-Visnu's point of view, the movement through material time's past, present, and future, all exist simultaneously and is always there as a permanent pathway that unlimited other jiva-souls are continuously moving through.

Srila Prabhupada – "This material creation is the spirit soul’s dream." (SB Canto 4 Ch 29 Text 83)

All material vessels from the dreams of Maha-Visnu, are a already set in stone from beginning to its end because Maha-Visnu has already dreamed them.

This is why once the jiva-soul has entered one of Maha-Visnu's dreams and hired a material bodily vessel, nothing in that bodily journey can be changed.

Each material bodily "hired" vessel is also repeatedly available and continuously re-hired by other visiting jiva-souls who will also choose to enter the temporary material creation.

Linear-time is the movement from past to present, and then to future, that is a pathway that moves through the fabric of space-time.

In other words linear-time is where time is seen sequentially, as a series of events that are unfolding along a pathway, from its beginning, middle and end.

Like seeing the entire journey of a long roadway all at once, one is able to see where the road began, its middle and its end.

This is like seeing an the movement linear time (past, present and future).

Only Maha-Visnu and rare mystic yogis and devotees can see above linear time, just like one sees an entire roadway from above in an aircraft, its beginning, middle and end, all at once.

All material bodily vessels are "hired" by the jiva-souls from Maha-Visnu's dreams, from "His Library of Dreams" chosen by those visiting jiva-soul who simultaneously match and are in sync with their particular desires.

All material bodily vessels are like a costume "hired" out from a Costume shop owner, in this case Maha-Visnu, to the visiting jiva-souls.

All of the jiva-soul's desires, choices and expressions of free will" are factored in before the jiva-soul hires a particular material bodily vessel to enter the material creation.

However, free will only partially exists in the material creation and only in the human species of life. Free will does not exist in lower species of life, there is only the instinct of eating, sleeping, mating and defending.

Maha-Visnu sees all, beginning, middle and end of all material bodily vessels because He is God and knows past, present and future.

There is always free will however, each material body's destiny that the visiting jiva-soul experiences, is already mapped out from the dreams of Maha-Visnu explained above.

And free will is factored into the equation in such a way that the free will of each jiva-soul is not affected.

Free will always exists in the spiritual worlds that allows the jiva-souls to except or even reject Krsna, by deciding to leave Krsna's association if they choose.

Such freedom must be there if love is to truly exist in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.

So, from the mistaken desires of the rebellious jiva-soul, that begins when they put their own selfish desires in the centre, instead of first pleasing Krsna, they are forced to hire a vessel from Maha-Visnu's dreams that transfers them into a temporary material bodily vessel to enter the material creation in.

This is the beginning of the jiva-soul's fall down to the material creation from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.

But such fall downs are very rare, less than 10% of jiva-souls fall down from the spiritual planets.

Rejecting Krsna means the jiva-soul can no longer stay in the spiritual world and is therefore instantaneously transferred out of Vaikuṇṭha or Goloka-Vṛndāvana and relocated to the dream bodies of Maha-Visnu (the "hired" pathway of material bodily vessels) material creation.

The jiva-souls already knows and agrees with the entire pathway of their journey they have been given by Maha-Visnu because their desires are the cause but now are insync with the bodily pathway (material bodily vessel) provided from Maha-Visnu's dreams.

Within Maha-Visnu's material creation exists every possible scenario of dreams to fulfil every desire the visiting jiva-souls have, every scenario they can come up with is eternally existing within Maha-Visnu's dreams.

This means the jiva-soul's ability to express free will is already factored into the equation of their destiny while within the material bodily vessel they chosen to enter as explained above.

Bhagavad-gītā As It Is Chapter 11 Text 7-

"O Arjuna, whatever you wish to see, behold at once in this body of Mine! This universal form can show you whatever you now desire to see and whatever you may want to see in the future. Everything moving and nonmoving is here completely, in one place."

Srila Prabhupada - "No one can see the entire universe while sitting in one place. Even the most advanced scientist cannot see what is going on in other parts of the universe. But a devotee like Arjuna can see everything that exists in any part of the universe. Kṛṣṇa gives him the power to see anything he wants to see, past, present and future. Thus by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa, Arjuna is able to see everything." (BG, As It Is Ch 11 Text 7)

The great sages and devotees in previous ages thousands of years ago were "tri-kāla-jñā."

Tri-kāla-jñā means they could understand-

1 - What was in the past,

2 - What there shall be in the future,

3 - And what is at present.

Five thousand years ago instructions from the great Vedic sages were written down for this degraded age of Kali-yuga. Sages and great devotees back then, could see past, present, and future.

The sages were known as tri-kāla-jñā. Tri means three. There is almost similarity, tri and three. Tri is Sanskrit, and three is English or Latin, but there is similarity. Tri-kāla-jñā.

Tri means three, and kāla means time. As said above time is experienced by three ways-

past,

present,

future.

Material time is limited to past, present and future. Whenever you speak of time, it is past, present or future.

So the sages in those days were tri-kāla-jñā. Tri-kāla-jñā means they could understand, they could know what was in the past, what there shall be in the future, and what is at present.

In the Bhagavad gītā Kṛṣṇa says- "My Dear Arjuna, you, Me, I, and all these kings and soldiers who have assembled in this battlefield, they were all individuals, and we are still individual. And in this past, in the future, we shall all remain individuals. That past, present, and future, he explained. Kṛṣṇa says, vedāhaṁ samatītāni (BG 7.26). Atītāni, atītāni means past. Vartamānāni ca, and present. So that is yogic power, one can know past, present, and future." (SB, Canto 12 Ch 2 Text 1, San Francisco, March 18, 1968)

In the mundane material creation, the jiva-souls "hire" their material bodily vessels from the dreams of Maha-Visnu.

Those same dream of Maha-Visnu are the billions of material massive universes called Brahmandas.

All the material bodily vessels in the material creation belong to Maha-Visnu.

To enter the material creation, the visiting jiva-tattvas (jiva-souls) come to Maha-Visnu to "hire" a material bodily vessel from Him, in order to experience their own selfish desires separate from Krsna and His spiritual abodes.

Srila Prabhupada - "We are not the owner of this body, not the owner of the senses. The senses are "hired" from the Supreme Lord. This is very subtle understanding; one should know the proprietor of the senses is God." (March 1966 New York City)

The rebellious jiva-souls enter the impermanent material creation known as the mahat-tattva via Maha-Visnu's dreaming, this is because they have chosen to either reject Visnu in Vaikuntha (in an all reverence relationship) or Krsna in Goloka-Vrndavana (in a intimite personal relationship of lover, friend, etc).

It is important to understand the jiva-souls left the "Kingdom of God" not because of any material cause (that cannot exist in Vaikuntha anyway) but simply because of "free will" of wanting to be a god instead of serving God, and therefore gave up their association with Visnu or Krsna.

One cannot stay in the Lord's eternal abode if they have chosen not to serve Him unconditionally, therefore to do their own thing they must enter the material creation, also run by Krsna but as His Maha-Visnu expansion who builds the material worlds.

This is how we entered the material creation to seek out our own dreams within the dreams of Maha-Visnu.

The temporary decaying material creation takes up 1/4 of the Spiritual Sky.

The Spiritual Sky or Brahmajyoti is all that there is, without beginning or end, and that also includes the smaller temporary material creation as well that is 1/4 of the Spiritual Sky as said above that is always in a state of decay and constant maintenance.

The other 3/4s of the spiritual sky are the permanent spiritual worlds of Vaikuṇṭha and Goloka Vrindavana that never decays and is forever fresh (The Kingdom of God)

This temporary material creation the jīva-souls go too, are created from the dreams of Maha-Visnu. The jiva-souls enter His material creation by choosing to enjoy separately from Krsna in Goloka-Vrndavana or serving Visnu on the Vaikuntha planets.

The jiva-souls are then given a material bodily vessels they "hire" from Maha-Visnu's stockpile of dreams (which are an unlimited variety of material bodily vessels) that always belong to Him and are always available for "hire" from Him.

Some start as a Brahma and many do not, this is based on their desires to live without Krsna doing their own thing.

All facilities in the material are provided by Krsna (God) through His Maha-Visnu expansion.

However, there is an easy way out of this temporary material creation in this present age called Kali-yuga, and that is by becoming a devotee in Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu's great Sankirtan Movement and always chanting Hare Krsna.

By properly using one's free will when possible in the human species, one can find a bonafide Spiritual Master who can lead one out of this mundane material dream creation and return to the only permanent reality of Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrndavana outside this decaying material creation.

Choosing to come to the material creation of mundane selfish dreams was a mistake.

Srila Prabhupada – "This material creation is the spirit soul’s dream. Actually all existence in the material world is a dream of Maha-Visnu, as the Brahma-Samhita describes– This material world is created by the dreaming of Maha-Visnu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29 text 83)

Srila Prabhupada - "Our contact with matter is just like dream. Actually we are not fallen. Therefore, because we are not fallen, at any moment we can revive our Krsna consciousness, we break the dream." (Tokyo Japan 1972, SB, Canto 2 Ch 9 text 1)

There is still a lot more to learn about the movement of the marginal living entity (jiva-soul) through material space/time's past, present and future.

We have only scratched surface in understanding Vedic texts in the 56 years since Srila Prabhupada made his valuable contribution to the Western World.

The movement of space/time in the temporary material creation is eternally divided into past, present and future as a roadway that has its beginning point (birth), middle (youth and middle age) and end of the roadway (old age and death), but only while the individual jiva-souls are covered by these material bodily vessels governed by the movement of material time.

Temporary means the decaying progression of material nature forced by time's movement of past, present and future with its side-effect of birth, youth, middle age, old age and death.

Whereas in the spiritual worlds there is only the permanence of the eternal presence of Krsna where everything is eternally fresh, youthful and never decomposes

In the spiritual planets the jiva-souls are their body and no longer possess a material decaying bodily vessel or covering.

All material bodily vessels or bodily containers, are part and parcel of the fabric of material energies space/time that governs the temporary material creation and takes up 1/4 of the Spiritual Sky (matter)

3/4s of the Spiritual Sky are the permanent eternally youthful spiritual worlds (anti-matter) eternally existing in the eternal presence beyond the decaying influence of past, present and future that only exists in the material creation.

In the material creation's bodily vessels, the jiva-souls are there as the passengers who are riding within the material energies fabric of material bodily vessels.

Each material bodily vessel is made of material energy that the jiva-souls (anti-matter) possess.

The individual marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are the passengers in the material body made of material energy.

Material energy is one, the bodily forms eventually wear out and die and breaks down and merges back into the oneness of material energy.

Our material bodily vessels are ultimately impersonal dead matter when the body is no longer held together by the presence an individual jiva-soul who possess the material body.

Only the presence of the jiva-soul gives the appearance of life in a material body.

The individual jiva-soul is anti-matter and not matter.

1 - Matter is lifeless dead energy existing in the material creation.

2 - Anti-matter is living individual living entities as Spiritual bodily forms that pervades the Spiritual Worlds of the Vaikuntha Planets and Goloka-Vrindavana.

The jiva-souls are living, whereas the material energy has no life, it is simply dead matter.

All material bodily vessels are given to the jiva-souls by Maha-Visnu (from His dreams) according to their desires.

And as the embodied jiva-soul continues their journey in the material creation life after life, the accumulation of the reactions from acting out those original desires, creates pious and impious reactions.

But only in a human material body does the jiva-soul's create Karma.

There is no Karma (the covered jiva-soul responsible for your actions) in the lower species of life where one acts only on the instincts of eating, sleeping, mating and defending.

From the viewpoint of Maha-Visnu and great sages, they see past, present and future in the material creation, all existing simultaneously.

Just like from above one can see the beginning, middle and end of a long winding roadway.

Also with mundane logic, the material desires of an individual marginal living entity (jiva-soul) would eventually repeat themselves over the span of an eternity if they stayed in the material creation long enough.

This is because every combination of material elements would be exhausted to the point they would again repeat over an eternity.

If the jiva-soul chooses to remain in the material creation for an almost eternity, they could experience this.

This is possible because the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are eternal.

But what is really going on?

Even though the material energy is temporary and always decays, the material energy itself is eternal, but when material worlds and material bodies decay and are destroyed, the material energy will again eventually reappear as different forms and bodily vessels possessed by the jiva-souls (anti-matter) and due the movement of past, present and future.

Many have asked, could the past activities of a material body one chooses from Maha-Visnu's dreams, still be happening in the universe's same space but happening in a different time, place and circumstance with another individual jiva-soul playing that same part?

The answer is yes, infact that is exactly what's going on.

This is because past, present and future are happening always simultaneously and are a permanent fabric of the material energy.

This means all material bodily vessel are a permanent fixture in material nature, like a roadway is in a City.

in other words, many jiva-souls travel on that same roadway (in that same material body) and also experience the same journey in the material creation.

Lord Brahma's material body is also a hired out position that many different jiva-souls have experience, if they are qualified to enter that material bodily vessel.

All material bodily vessels are "hired" from Maha-Visnu (God)

This further means only those jiva-souls with the right qualifactions can experience what ever bodily vessel they are offered, but only if they deserve it.

To be qualified for any material bodily vessel, one must be trained up and simultaneously have corresponding desires and Karma to qualify and enter a particular material bodily vessel they deserve, desire, rewarded with or punished with.

Once in the material creation, the jiva-souls will eventually take a material body created by their own karma (past good and bad actions)

It is also seems to some that the material universe of material bodily containers or vessels are repeating itself, except with a different batch of individual jiva-souls possessing all material bodily vessels.

Some philosophers like Friedrich Nietzsche call this the eternal reoccurrence but no, that is not what is going on, there is no such thing as eternal reoccurrence, there is only the permanent passage way or roadway of material bodily "posts," as seen above the movement of past, present and future the jiva-souls travel through from birth to youth, to middle age, to old age and then death (which is really re-birth and journey of "life" continues).

This means everything already exists eternally and always as has and the jiva-souls just move through those permanent stages of pathways of material energy continuously (the dream of Maha-Visnu).

The material bodily vessel or vehicle is not the PERSON, the material body is NOT the jiva-soul, the material vessel is made of material elements that the jiva-souls are covered by and travels in like one travels in an innate vehicle.

Such "lifeless material" vessels are a costume that covers the eternal jiva-soul (anti-matter)

The jiva-soul is the real person within the material bodily vessel. The outward material bodily vessel is not a person in any way, it is dead matter just like getting into a car is getting into a vehicle that is dead matter.

The material body is the outer material covering housing the eternal jiva-soul.

So where are Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin today? Who are Hitler and Stalin really?

The material bodies and their identities have nothing to do with the "jiva-souls" real spiritual identity, actually no material bodily vessel is because the material body is not who the jiva-souls really are, the material vessels are made of material energy that the jiva-souls "hire" from Maha-Visnu's dreams as explained above.

In fact, as explained above, millions of jiva-souls can experience those bodily pathways of the rich, famous and infamous that are permanent pathways in the fabric of space-time in the material creation by also hiring those bodily pathways (vessels) from Maha-Visnu.

As explained, each material bodily pathway (vessel) is the creation of Maha-Visnu coming from His dreams.

The dreams (material bodily vessels) of Maha-Visnu are a permanent fixture of His material energies.

They are all simply material vehicles for the jiva-souls to travel in. This means no jiva-souls are created by, or come from Maha-Visnu.

Unlimited jiva-souls who enter the material creation can "hire" such material bodily pathways (dreams) from Maha-Visnu and also experience that dream in sync with their own desires.

In other words the material body is not the person (spiritual bodily form), it is the outer material vessel.

The person within the material body (matter) are the jiva-souls (anti-matter)

This means the individual jiva-souls within the material body of Hitler, Stalin, Churchill etc, are the real persons occupying those material bodies.

The point made here is the jiva-souls are not the material bodily vessel they are in, were in, or will be in.

This is a little complicated to understand, but just like one can wear many different suits, similarly the jiva-souls, over millions of life times, wears millions of material bodily vessels.

All jiva-souls have had millions of different material bodies based on desires and karma, all material bodily vessels in the material creation the visiting jiva-souls can experience, is based on desire and reactions from ones actions while in human form.

As explained earlier, all material vessels are hired from the dreams of Maha-Visnu which means unlimited jiva-souls over time have travelled the many bodily roadways, including the material body the individual jiva-souls are in now.

The important point to understand here is we are not the material bodily vessel we are presently in.

And, as explained above, so called eternal reoccurrence is not what is happening here because like a roadway, the "hired bodily vessels" always exist as the roadway the jiva-souls journey along as a permanent pathway above the movement of past, present and future.

In other words, past, present and future are always happening somewhere in the material multi- universe (deep within an unlimited number of Brahmanda greater universes)

The material energy is an eternal fabric of space-time that perpetually exists as a pathway of material energy (material bodies) where unlimited jiva-souls traverse along as the passengers of those material bodily pathways made from material energy.

This means all material bodily vessels are existing from past, present to future in different stages like the different points on roadway are also always existing.

In other words, if one can observe past, present and future of the material energy (meaning the different stages from birth to old age of the material bodily vessel) it would look like a permanent pathway the jiva-souls are passing through continuously, like one passes over a road that is permanently there.

Therefore, it only appears that the material bodily vessels are continually reoccurring when in actual fact they are not because they are always there existing divided into past, present and future.

The jiva-souls enter a permanent pathway in the fabric of material energy which exists eternally but the presence of the jiva-souls in it is NOT eternal.

Everything is temporary in the material creation which is in a constant state of decay experienced by the jiva-souls as they move along the pathway of past, present and future.

This is because of the movement of past, present and future has the side effect of impermanence, decomposition, birth, youth, disease, old age and death.

In the spiritual worlds of Vaikuṇṭha and Goloka-Vṛndāvana, only the "eternal presence" of Krsna exists with no concept of "past or future," therefore there is no impermanence or decay there in the spiritual world.

This means everything there is eternally fresh and youthful in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana the eternal Kingdoms of God.

Temporary material energy makes up all material bodily vessels or containers that the jiva-souls (anti-matter) enters as a passenger (covered by).

When these material bodily vessels wears out and decays, they break down into material elements and merges again back into the material energy as one all-pervasive energy.

Anti-matter or spiritual energy is NOT like that, it is never "all-one."

Spiritual energy is made up of eternal individual PERSONS who remain individuals with their permanent identity that lasts for infinity.

Only the jiva-souls, and not the material energy, are perpetual spiritual (anti-matter) bodily form (vigraha) and never decays like matter does.

The jiva-souls eternally remain individual spiritual PERSONS separate from the mundane material creation, even though covered by decaying material material energy as material forms in the material world.

The material universes concept of time is governed by past, present and future, but exists all at the same time to those who can see from above this mundane movement of material time that Maha-Visnu always sees.

All material bodily vessels (made from material energy) we occupy, are a permanent fixture of the material energy owned by Maha-Visnu.

Such material vessels originate from His dreams of the material universe that are eternally existing through the continuous repetitive flow (cycles) of material space-time ( always going through repetitive creations and annihilation)

All such material bodily vessels exist in Maha-Visnu's "Library Of Material Dreams," and are available for "hire" to those jiva-souls who have chosen to visit His material creation after choosing to leave the spiritual planets.

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It is the constant flow of all material time of past, present and future that it is seemingly repeating itself as another material bodily vessels but no, there is no repetition or eternal reoccurrence going on, it never went on to begin with there is only the constant movement of jiva-souls travelling through material vessels on a permanent roadway that eternally exists for unlimited jiva-souls to travel through.

Only by properly understanding the fabric of material time can we see each stage of the journey of past, present and future.

In other words, past, present and future are eternally existing together, all at the same time.

Srila Prabhupada always encouraged us to have personal realizations and yes, the ones here are thought provoking because they are based on the actual workings of the material universes.

Keep in mind, the dreams of Maha-Visnu are inconceivable to fully understand.

Even when Arjuna viewed past, present and future simultaneously and being able to see everything past, present and future, he was scared and confused because he was seeing his own future and the future of his family.

The reason he could see his future was because it was already existing like an entire roadway from its beginning, to its middle and at its end.

Each dream of Maha-Visnu is always existing like a pathway that the jiva-souls traverse down (as explained above) This means the jiva-souls are traveling through what is already there, what has always existed.

Another way of understanding this is just like when one rewinds a video tape, the contends captured will always be the same at every stage on the tape.

Similarly, the material bodily vessels we are now in are a post that always exists for jiva-souls to enter and experience.

This means material time and space is permanently recorded and always exists. Such are the material dreams of Maha-Visnu.

Only by properly understanding the fabric of material time can we see each stage of the journey of past, present and future. In other words, past, present and future are eternally exist together, all at the same time.

Srila Prabhupada always encouraged us to have personal realizations and yes, the ones here are thought provoking because they are based on Vedic teachings.

Keep in mind, the dreams of Maha-Visnu are almost inconceivable to understand, even when Arjuna viewed past, present and future simultaneously and being able to see everything (past, present and future), he was scared and confused because he was seeing his own future and the future of his family.

The reason he could see his future was because it was already existing like an entire roadway from its beginning, to its middle and at its end.

Another way of understanding this is just like when one rewinds a video tape, the contends captured will always be the same at every stage on the tape.

Similarly, the material bodily vessels we are now in are a post that always exists for jiva-souls to enter and experience.

This means material time and space is permanently existing (recorded) and always exists as the "dreams" of Maha-Visnu, such are the material dreams of Maha-Visnu.**.