Monday, June 5, 2023

Krsna never interferes with the jiva-soul's "free will," even when they choose to reject Him.

This is because in the spiritual world, Kṛṣṇa wants His subjects to think for themselves and choose to serve Him voluntarily without being dictated too and forced to obey, no, the spiritual world is not like that.

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "The jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is always voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 - Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

In most nearly all cases, Krsna will NOT interfere with the jiva-soul's free will because He wants to be with those who contribute and take personal responsibilities for their own actions. 

This allows the jiva-souls to voluntarily make their own unique offerings to Krsna and suprise Him by adding mystery and loving exchanges to the relationship.

This is what it means to be an individual jiva-soul (marginal living entity) who has the "free will" that allows them to further enrich, contribute and even surprise Krsna with their loving exchanges with Him. 

However, even this kind consideration is ultimately up to Krsna to sanction because Krsna is the Supreme PeIrsonality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes and can do anything He wants, even over-ride the jiva-soul's free will anytime He likes.

Krsna is not controlled by any rules and regulations, or binded by any laws in both the spiritual and material world.

At any time He likes, He can change anything He likes, after all everything is resting on Him and not a blade of grass can move without the will of Krsna.

Only Krsna can do this if He wants because He is the Supreme Lord and not a blade of grass moves without His sanction. Krsna knows everything past, present and future because He is omniscient.

But generally Krsna allows the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) to express themselves in their own unique way, which means allowing them to have their choice to stay in the spiritual world, or enter the material world. 

So, without any objections from Krsna to follow Him or not follow Him, the jiva-souls can choose to stay in the spiritual worlds, or enter the temporary material creation and do what ever they want without Krsna. 

Such choices are based on their individual constitutional attribute of "free will" that every jiva-soul (marginal living entity) is endowed with.

In most nearly all cases, Krsna will NOT interfere with the jiva-soul's free will because He wants a relationship with those who can contribute and take personal responsibilities for their own thoughts and actions. 

This allows the jiva-souls to voluntarily make their own unique offerings to Krsna and suprise Him.

This is what it means to be an individual jiva-soul (marginal living entity) who has the "free will" that allows them to further enrich, contribute and even surprise Krsna with their loving exchanges with Him. 

Otherwise, one is just a mindless drone or puppet who only obeys without being able to voluntarily make personal contributions, foolishly thinking "surrender" means allowing Krsna to fully control your every thoughts, actions and words.

In other words, allowing Krsna to fully possess you and take complete control of your personality and individuality and do all the thinking and actions for you.

The fact is, this kind of nonsense mindless bogus "surrender" is dangerous suicidal impersonalism and crazy religious cult mentality.

Bali Mardana - "An example of free will is someone can choose Kṛṣṇa or turn away? Is that an example of free will?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, because if you accept Kṛṣṇa, then you must follow what Kṛṣṇa says. If you don't follow Kṛṣṇa, then what is the use of talking of Kṛṣṇa? If he accepts Kṛṣṇa, he must abide by the injunction of Kṛṣṇa." (Morning Walk, Jan 22, 1974, Hawaii)

Srila Prabhupada  - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will but misuses his free will, just like a thief who knows he is stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. But unless there can be misuse of free will, then there is no question of free will." (Excerpt from: Philosophy Discussions with Srila Prabhupada on Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one-way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Genuine loving exchanges can never exist if one's relationship with God was not a "two-way" exchange of feelings, but only a domineering "one-sided" affair with "a so called God." 

Freedom or free will obviously includes having the choice to accept or reject Krsna, otherwise free will has no meaning and is useless.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling, then there is love. Not by force! Krsna does not want to become a lover like that." (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Srila Prabhupāda – "Unless there are "two-persons," where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means two. There MUST be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. Therefore love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, there MUST be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, so there must be lover, there must be beloved. We must understand that love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No, it is not good, that is NOT love, that is exploitation and forced obedience. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Prabhupada quotes 1966 - 1974, Vaniquotes)

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There MUST be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)<..>








  

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