Saturday, June 10, 2023

Loving relationships with a bonafide God (Krsna) are always a respectful and voluntarily, and expressed in a "two-way" loving exchanges.

Surrender to Krsna in the spiritual world is NEVER a "one-sided" forceful dominance. 

That kind of impersonal bogus version of surrender, I rejected long, long ago. 

Please avoid and reject bogus leaders, teachers, preachers, devotees, gurus and sannyasis who try to manipulate you, bully you, use you, and control your every actions.

Loving exchanges, cooperation, reciprocation and voluntary expressions from the jiva-soul's unique personality, MUST be there as contributions when serving Krsna in a "two-way" exchange that makes the relationship personal, caring and genuine.

Loving feelings and emotions towards Krsna can only exist in a "two-sided" exchange where the jiva-souls also voluntarily add to the relationship and friendship.

In other words, love can only exist when voluntarily expressed in a "two-way" exchange, where the jiva-soul's contributions adds to one's relationship with Krsna that can only be expressed by having their unique free will.

Having the "free will" to contribute to one's relationship with Krsna allows the jiva-souls to voluntarily participate personally, by contributing to the relationship with Krsna in their own personal unique way. 

And not allow any so called God to impersonally control one's every thoughts and every actions like a puppet master controls his puppets.

Surrender to Krsna does NOT mean you "surrender" your intelligence, your free will, your ability to express yourself as the independent PERSON you are eternally.

These special qualities gives meaning to the jiva-souls existence that allows the jiva-souls to express themselves independently from Krsna, yet simultaneously, be always fully dependent and on Krsna unconditionally

Such personal voluntary service deepens one's loving exchanges with Krsna, through personal exchanges that enhances, enriches and forever continues to add flavour to one's unique relationship with Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "The jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is always voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

In most nearly all cases, Krsna will NOT interfere with the jiva-soul's free will because He wants to be with those who contribute and take personal responsibilities for their own actions. 

This allows the jiva-souls to voluntarily make their own unique offerings to Krsna and suprise Him by adding mystery and loving exchanges to the relationship.

This is what it means to be an individual jiva-soul (marginal living entity) who has the "free will" that allows them to further enrich, contribute and even surprise Krsna with their loving exchanges with Him. 

Otherwise, one is just a mindless drone or puppet who only obeys without personal contributions, foolishly thinking "surrender" means allowing Krsna to control your every thoughts, actions and words, allowing Krsna to possess you and take complete control of your personality and individuality.

The fact is, this kind of mindless bogus "surrender" is dangerous suicidal impersonalism.

Bali Mardana - "An example of free will is someone can choose Kṛṣṇa or turn away? Is that an example of free will?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, because if you accept Kṛṣṇa, then you must follow what Kṛṣṇa says. If you don't follow Kṛṣṇa, then what is the use of talking of Kṛṣṇa? If he accepts Kṛṣṇa, he must abide by the injunction of Kṛṣṇa." (Morning Walk, Jan 22, 1974, Hawaii)

Srila Prabhupada  - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will but misuses his free will, just like a thief who knows he is stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. But unless there can be misuse of free will, then there is no question of free will." (Excerpt from: Philosophy Discussions with Srila Prabhupada on Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling, then there is love. Not by force! Krsna does not want to become a lover like that." (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Srila Prabhupāda – "Unless there are "two-persons," where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means two. There MUST be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. Therefore love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, there MUST be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, so there must be lover, there must be beloved. We must understand that love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No, it is not good, that is NOT love, that is exploitation and forced obedience. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Prabhupada quotes 1966 - 1974, Vaniquotes)

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness. So how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There MUST be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)×*×



















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