Tuesday, June 20, 2023

We are NOT suppose to be in this temporary decaying material creation, trapped within a troublesome decomposing material bodily vessel always in need of constant maintenance.

The fact is, eventually all material bodily forms covering the indestructible eternal jiva-souls, wear out and decomposes, forcing the perpetual beginningless and endless jiva-soul within, to again take another birth in the material world, by entering a new material bodily vessel in the womb of a new mother, that could be in any of the 8 million 400 thousand species of life.

To be born in the human species is very, very rare, and in most cases the fallen jiva-souls take birth in the lower animal and aquatic species of life.

This cycle of birth and death is beginningless and endless if the jiva-soul chooses to remain in the material world and return back to the indestructible eternal  spiritual worlds of the Vaikuṇṭha planets and Goloka-Vṛndāvana, the real eternal permanent home of the marginal living entities (jiva-souls).

Another alternative for the jiva-souls in the material, after becoming frustrated with material existence, is attempt to escape the suffering of repeated  birth and death of material existence, by becoming "inactive" and attempting to extinguish their individual existence by entering a "dormant"  state in the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

Such a "dormant state" fallen state in the impersonal Brahmajyoti, even though lasts for a very, very, very, very long time, is also temporary and eventually the jiva-soul again takes birth again in the material world.

It is said one's existence in the impersonal Brahmajyoti lasts for many, many, many life times of Lord Brahma, which is 311 trillion and 400 billion human years long, so long that many foolishly believe the impersonal Brahmajyoti is the jiva-soul's origin, which is nonsense.

Srila Prabhupada - "The next question, about the living entities falling down in this material world are NOT from the impersonal brahman. We do not accept anyone elevated to the brahman effulgence as actually liberated. Existence in the impersonal Brahmajyoti is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness and a fallen condition therefore, those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition and that non-fallen condition is Krsna cconsciousness. So long one can maintain pure Krsna consciousness he is NOT fallen down. 

As soon as he becomes out of Krsna consciousness immediately he is fallen down. It does not matter where a living entity stays. In the material world also there are different stages of living conditions, and to remain in the brahman effulgence is also another phase of that fallen condition. Just like in the Bhagavad-gita it is stated that conditioned souls by their pious activities are elevated to the higher planetary system, but as soon as the stock of pious activities is finished he again comes down on the earthly planet. 

Similarly, those who are elevated beyond the planetary system to the brahma effulgence, they are also prone to fall down as much as a living entity from the higher planetary system. As such those who are thinking that they are liberated by being situated in brahman effulgence are described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam as impurely intelligent. 

In other words, they are actually not liberated, and because they are not actually liberated they again come down to the material world as much as a living entity elevated to the higher planetary system comes down to this earthly planet. So, we do not accept anyone elevated to the brahman effulgence as actually liberated." (Letter to  Revatinandana dasa, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Being an "inactive" (dormant) so-called spiritual spark in the Brahmajyoti, is an already fallen unnatural condition of the jiva-soul, who in their full potential are a spiritual bodily PERSON fully active like Krsna in the spiritual world serving Him, which is the jiva-soul's natural eternal home.

Krsna's effulgence is known as the dormant (impersonal) Brahmajyoti made up of a collective of "inactive"(dormant) individual jiva-souls appearing there as spiritual sparks in their "fallen conditional state."

As said above, appearing in that "fallen condition" as a spiritual spark is the unnatural condition of the jiva-soul, who in their full potential IS a PERSON as a spiritual bodily form eternally made of-

Sat,

Cit,

Ananda,

Vigraha.

Which means,

Eternity,

Knowledge,

Bliss,

Bodily spiritual form.

The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls), is a "two-arm form" like Krsna's Body.

Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul is NOT formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture on BG 2.14 - Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee - "What is the form of the spiritual body. If the spirit soul is non-material, what is the form?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul always has got form, and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG 2.14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

As said above, the full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) is a two-arm, two leg spiritual bodily form like Krsna's Body, and do NOT originate from the impersonal Brahmajyoti as impersonalists foolishly believe.

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first]: Yes. They are more covered. Just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is voluntary, some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB Canto 6 Ch 1 Text 1-4 - Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

The jiva-souls are eternal spiritual living PERSONS and can never be destroyed, terminated or extinguished, the jiva-souls are indestructible.

Srila Prabhupada - "The "immediate" expansions of the Lord are called svāṁśa or "personal direct" expansions (Visnu-tattva). The "separated" expansions of the Lord are called vibhinnāṁśa - jiva-tattva or independent jiva-souls like us." (BG, Ch 10 Text 37, Purport)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 20 explains the jiva-souls have existed for “infinity” This means, just like Krsna, they are beginning less and endless, and were NEVER created-

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.” (BG, Ch 2 Text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 12 also confirms the jiva-souls were NEVER created nor will they ever cease to be. This is because they have no origin and have existed for infinity like Krsna has, as Krsna explains-

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 Text 12)

Srila Prabhupada – “There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?” (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)

There is no origin to Krsna's marginal energy (an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls), who have existed for as long as Krsna has existed which is eternity. 

The constitutional position of the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) is they are  nitya-siddha (eternally liberated) in their full potential.

All jiva-souls are nitya-siddha (eternally liberated) as a spiritual bodily form. There is no such thing of one class of marginal living entities (jiva-souls) for the spiritual world, and another class of jiva-souls nitya-baddha, for the material world

Originally and eternally, ALL jiva-souls are nitya-siddha (liberated). This means all nitya-baddhas (conditioned) were originally nitya-siddha in the spiritual world Prabhupada has explained.

Srila Prabhupada - "The actual constitutional position of every marginal living entity is nitya-siddha. By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, the jiva-soul can become AGAIN nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha." (NY City Lecture on CC, July 13, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "Nitya baddhas are within this material world. Beginning from Brahma down to a small ant, insignificant ant, they are all nitya-baddha. Anyone who is in this material world they are nitya-baddha." (Lecture Ch 13 text 14, July 14, 1973)

As said above, originally, all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are nitya-siddha (liberated) because their original home is Goloka Vrindavana or Vaikuntha.

Krsna never interferes with the jiva-soul's free will, even when they choose to reject Him and become nitya-baddha (conditioned) in the materia lworld.

Srila Prabhupada - "There are two kinds of marginal living entities, nitya-si0 (liberated) and nitya-baddha (conditioned) because of the spiritual world and material worlds. However, the actual constitutional position of every marginal living entity (jiva-soul) is nitya-siddha." (New York City Lecture CC, July 13, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, the jiva-soul can become AGAIN nitya-siddha. So, the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas again nitya-siddha." (New York City Lecture CC, July 13, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense, everyone comes from Krsnaloka (Goloka-Vrindavana). When one forgets Krsna, he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

The majority of jiva-souls (over 90%) never fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana; only less than 10% choose to enter the material creation Prabhupada explains here.

Dr. John Mize – "Did all the jiva-souls that were in the spiritual sky fall out of the spiritual sky at once, or at different times, or are there any jiva-souls that are always good, they’re not foolish, they don’t fall down?"

Srila Prabhupada – "No, there are majority, 90%, they are always good. They never fall down." (BG lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Also, the Krsna who enters the material world is really a Visnu-tattva 4 armed form playing the part of the two-armed Krsna in the material world.

This Visnu-tattva expansion of Krsna comes to the material world and play the role of the original two armed Krsna in Vrindavana. 

Srila Prabhupada - "Because Kṛṣṇa never leaves Vṛndāvana, all the forms of Kṛṣṇa that appear elsewhere are His expansions." (BG As It Is Ch 10 Text 37)

Srila Prabhupada - ''The original Lord Kṛṣṇa never leaves Goloka Vṛndāvana. All the plenary expansions are one and the same Viṣṇu-tattva, and there is no difference in Their potency." (SB  Canto 3 Ch 1 Text 34)

Srila Prabhupada - ''The biggest and highest planet in the brahmajyoti is Kṛṣṇaloka, or Goloka Vṛndāvana, where the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Śrī Kṛṣṇa Himself, resides. Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa NEVER leaves Kṛṣṇaloka." (Sri Isopanisad 12)

Srila Prabhupada - ''Kṛṣṇa is the original Supreme Personality of Godhead, and Baladeva (Balarama) is Kṛṣṇa's immediate expansion. Both Lord Kṛṣṇa and Baladeva appeared as sons of Vasudeva, so both of Them may be called Vāsudeva. From another point of view, because Kṛṣṇa NEVER leaves Vṛndāvana, all the forms of Kṛṣṇa that appear elsewhere are His expansions." (BG As It Is Ch 10 Text 37)^×^









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