Srila Prabhupada explains nitya-siddha (eternally liberated) and nitya-baddha (eternally conditioned).

All jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are nitya-siddha (eternally liberated) in their infinite position Prabhupada explains below. 

The jiva-souls only become nitya-baddha (eternally conditioned) when they enter the material creation or the impersonal dormant (inactive) brahmajyoti.

This means because of free will, there are two states of existence that each jiva-soul can choose to be in, they can be either nitya-siddha (eternally liberated in the spiritual worlds) or nitya-baddha (eternally conditioned in the material creation)

The jiva-souls in the spiritual world CAN choose to give up being a nitya-siddha servant of Lord Viṣṇu in the Vaikuntha planets, or associating with Krsna in His home of Goloka-Vrindavana, and become nitya-baddha (eternally conditioned) in the material creation.

For free will to have any meaning, the above choice to accept, or reject Krsna, MUST be there, otherwise one is just manipulated porn devoid of free will (freedom)

Fall down of the individual jiva-souls to the material creation means their status as nitya-siddha can change to nitya-baddha.  

Therefore, by choosing to enter the material creation, those jiva-souls are no longer nitya-siddha, they are now known as nitya-baddha.

Being nitya-baddha means the jiva-souls have rejected visnu and Krsna. 

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Only then do they become nitya-baddha after giving up their nitya siddha status.

However, one can again become nitya-siddha by returning back home back to Godhead.

It is a nonsense belief that nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha (the jiva-souls) were created as two separate categories of jiva-souls.

The nonsense belief there are two separate classes of jiva-souls is impersonalism because ALL jiva-souls are originally nitya-siddha.

Even though we are now nitya-baddha (in the material creation) we are actually nitya-siddha in our original position with Krsna or Visnu because that is our eternal nature as a marginal living entity, we just have to again realize it.

Srila Prabhupada explains-

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense everyone comes from Krsnaloka. When one forgets Krsna he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "There are two kinds of marginal living entities: nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha. The actual constitutional position of every marginal living entity is nitya-siddha. By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can become again nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha." (New York Lecture on Caitanya Caritamrta, July 13, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "Nitya-baddhas are within this material world. Beginning from Brahma down to a small ant, insignificant ant, they are all nitya-baddha. Anyone who is in this material world they are nitya-baddha." (Lecture on Bhagavad-Gita 13-14, July 14, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can also become siddha. He can become again nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha, it is a difficult task." (London lecture on Bhagavad-Gita 13-14, July 14, 1973)

Originally ALL marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are nitya-siddha (eternally liberated) because they came from Goloka Vrindavana and Vaikuntha.

Nitya-siddha is when the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are in their natural pure bodily state, "eternally liberated" in Goloka Vrndavana or Vaikuntha with Krsna or Visnu.

The nitya-baddha condition is when the jiva-souls are in an impure state "eternally conditioned" in the material creation selfishly serving one's own interests unaware of their original position of nitya-siddha.

Also the original form of the marginal living entities or jiva-souls is not some nonsense impersonal spark in Krsna's effulgence (impersonal Brahmajyoti)

Revatīnandana - "Srila Prabhupāda you very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and I go to the brahmajyoti I'm still fallen."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana - "That means all jīva-souls there are also fallen souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition." (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970 and August 17, 1971, London)

The jiva-souls are originally a two armed bodily (vigraha) form like Krsnas Prabhupada has explained to us.

The jiva-souls are eternal PERSONS as a spiritual bodily form, like Krsna's spiritual bodily form in their infinite position.

The full potential and infinite feature of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) is a two arm form like Krsna's bodily Form.

Srila Prabhupada - "The human form is the full manifestation of the jiva-soul." (Melb, May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul is NOT formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

JkklDevotee - "What is the form of the spiritual body. If the spirit soul is non-material, what is the form?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul always has got form, and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form, God is also human form. Man is made after the shape of God. I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first]: Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered, they are not in their full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, then he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 Text 1-4 Melb, May 20, 1975)

Krsna never interferes with the jiva-soul's free will even when they choose to reject Him.

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Philosophy Discussions on Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago." (Lecture BG, Aug 6, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - ''These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha." (Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970)

However, sadly there are foolish sangas (religious groups) and their ignorant leaders (including gurus and sannyasis) who are polluted with Impersonalism and cannot understand Prabhupada's comments above.^^..

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Nitya-siddha (eternally liberated) and nitya-baddha (eternally conditioned) explained.

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence; that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Some wrongly claim there are "two types of jiva-souls" - eternally conditioned (nitya-baddha) and eternally liberated (nitya-siddha)

No, there is only one, but the jiva-souls have "two-sides" to their personality and character.

The word "eternal" ONLY refers to the "position" and NOT the individual jiva-souls in that position, who can be both, eternally liberated or eternally conditioned, based on their circumstances.

The "position" is eternal, but not necessarily the the jiva-souls in that position of nitya-siddha (eternally liberated) and nitya-baddha (eternally conditioned)

The jiva-soul's infinite position is Nitya-siddha (eternally liberated), this means the jiva-soul's original perpetual home is the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana.

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense everyone comes from Krsnaloka (Goloka-Vrindavana). When one forgets Krsna he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

The actual constitutional position of EVERY marginal living entity (jiva-soul) is nitya-siddha.

Srila Prabhupada - "There are two kinds of marginal living entities: nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha. The actual constitutional position of every marginal living entity is nitya-siddha. By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can become again nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha, to bring them to their original position. It is a difficult task." (London lecture BG, Ch 1 Text 13-14, July 14, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "Your next question, "Is a pure devotee "eternally liberated" and if so is he at any time a conditioned soul? We are "eternally conditioned," but as soon as we surrender to Krsna do we then become "eternally liberated? 

You are NOT eternally conditioned, you are eternally liberated but since we have become conditioned on account of our desire to enjoy materialistic way of life, from time immemorial, therefore it "appears" that we are eternally conditioned. 

Because we cannot trace out the history or the date when we became conditioned, therefore it is technically called eternally conditioned. Otherwise the living entity is not actually conditioned. 

A living entity is always pure. But he is prone to be attracted by material enjoyment and as soon as he agrees to place himself in material enjoyment, he becomes conditioned, but that is not permanent. Therefore, a living entity is called on the marginal state, sometimes this side, sometimes that side. 

These are very intelligent questions. And I am very glad that you are putting such intelligent questions and trying to understand it. It is very good." (Letter to Aniruddha dasa, Los Angeles 14 Nov 1968)

Srila Prabhupāda - "There are two kinds of living entities: nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha. Nitya-siddha means they never fall a victim of māyā. That is nitya-siddha. Even though they are within this material world, they are never victimized. That is called nitya-siddha. And one who is victimized, he is called nitya-baddha. 

But the actual constitutional position of EVERY living entity is nitya-siddha, because God is eternal and His part and parcels, the living entities, they are also eternal. So that is nitya-siddha. 

Nitya-siddha, sādhana-siddha, kṛpā-siddha—there are different grades. They are all described in the Nectar of Devotion. 

So one can become sādhana-siddha. By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can also become siddha. He can become AGAIN nitya-siddha.

So the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha, to bring them. It is a difficult task." (Lecture, New York City, July 13 1976)×*^×

At the time of the death of the material bodily vessel, what ever one thinks of, they will attain without fail. 

This journey of the jiva-soul is eternal that had no beginning, nor will the journey EVER end. 

Amazing isn't it! The fact is, we NEVER die.

The jiva-souls are eternal "spiritual living PERSONS" and can NEVER be destroyed, terminated or extinguished, the jiva-souls are indestructible.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 text 12, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable and immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body." (BG, Ch 2 text 25, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Some look on the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing, and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, cannot understand him at all." (BG, Ch 2 text 29, 1983 edition)

Srila Prabhupada – “There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?” (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)

Devotee - "It is said in the Bhagavad-gita that what ever one thinks of, they will achieve, if one is fortunate enough to think of Krsna at death, he (she) goes to Krsna. What if one thinks of his spiritual master?" 

Srila Prabhupāda - "He (she) will go to Krsna because spiritual master is also going to Krsna." (BG, Class Ch 7 Text 2, Oct 28, 1975 Nairobi)

The word "reciprocation" only has meaning when there are TWO involved, not one Prabhupada has told us. The individual jiva-souĺs have THEIR choices too, EVEN if that choice means rejecting Krsna! Free will only has meaning when the jiva-souls can express themselves in a "two-sided" affair.

In other words, loving reciprocation is ONLY possible on a "two-way" street between two, with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.

This also means the individual jiva-souls CAN reject Krsna if they choose, which in a sense proves that "free will" DOES truly exist.

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will." (Philosophy Discussions on Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – “So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence, that is force.” (Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Having "free will" is the eternal constitutional make up of EVERY "marginal living entity," and is the foundation for ALL jiva-soul's relationship with Krsna.

The jiva-souls on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavan ALWAYS have their independent "free will" that is part and parcel of their unique individuality included in their marginal identity (As jiva-soul)

This "freedom" of having individual  self expression," allows the jiva-souls to each make their own unique personal offerings and voluntary contributions to Visnu or Krsna, where each jiva-soul can offer or serve Krsna in their own unique personal way.

This is REAL freedom.

In this way each individual jiva-soul has their own special unique (personal) association and relationship with Krsna that no other jiva-soul has like theirs.

These loving exchanges are based on a "two-way" relationship between Krsna and the jiva-souls.

However, in the temporary material creation, it is different because those who have entered the material creation have previously chosen to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan by rejecting Visnu in Vaikuntha or Krsna in Goloka Vrindavana.

So, why then does Krsna allow the jiva-souls to have their independent freedom to even leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan if they choose?

Devotee – "In the Srimad-Bhagavatam, it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here?” Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?”

Srila Prabhupada - “That means you lose your independence, that is force. In Bengali it is said, ‘if you catch one girl or boy and demand, ‘you love me, you love me, you love me,’ is that love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

First of all we read from above by Prabhupada, Krsna gives the jiva-souls "free will" in the spiritual world that allows them to make their own choices there.

Having free will also makes the jiva-souls fully responsible for all their choices and actions.

Rejecting Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan and therefore having to enter the material creation, (but only less than 10% make such a choice) was a mistake by those jiva-souls because the material creation is NOT the real home of the individual jiva-souls.

It is unnatural for the individual jiva-souls to be covered by a temporary material bodily vessel or container that they are given when they enter the material creation.

It must be clearly understood for love to truly exist, each jiva-soul MUST have their "free will" to make their own choices, even if it means leaving Krsna if they choose, otherwise there can be no question of genuine love or service.

This quality or attribute of free will is part of the jiva-soul's marginal constitutional nature, as an independent free thinking part and parcels expansion of the Krsna.

Krsna allows this freedom that all jiva-souls have because without free will loving exchanges and reciprocation can NEVER exist.

Srila Prabhupada – “You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We CAN misuse that." (Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)×××

Time to get out of this mundane material world.

Everything material never lasts in this temporary universe of impermanence, decay and repeated birth and death.

All material things, like one's home and biological body they are in, eventually decomposes over the movement of material time.

This is because all material things, like our material bodily vessels, are always in a constant state of decay, decline, continuous maintenance and breakdown leading to eventual death. 

Sadly, foolish people see this going on all around them but still make plans as if they are going to live forever.

So wake up and learn who you really are within the material bodily garment covering you! 

The fact is, this material world is always in a state of disrepair, decomposition and decay, it is not our real "eternal" home! 

We shouldn't even be here!! 

It was a big mistake we chose long, long, long, long ago to came here in the first place, choosing to leave Gods eternal Kingdom of Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan.

We can ver find permanent satisfaction and happiness in this alien decaying environment called the mundane material creation. 

Only a fool will try to find comfort in these temporary material bodily vessels that will eventually decompose, grow diseased, old and end up being food for earth worms and maggots.

Therefore, the goal of this rare human life is to get out of this material universe, and not try and make ourselves comfortable here!

That is not possible in this temporary decomposing material world where everything is in a constant state of decay.

Our only desire should be to go back home, back to Godhead, back to serving Lord Narayana in Vaikuntha or Lord Krsna in Goloka Vrindavana.

We should not waste our time desiring to go to other higher material heavenly planets in this universe either, or attempt to take birth in a pious wealthy aristocrat family on this Earth planet, none of that lasts either.

We should be learning, from a very young age, we are the individual anti-material jiva-soul (life force or jiva-tattva) within these material bodily containers, and all material endevours for happiness will not solve the problems of birth, disease, old age and death.

The purpose of this very rare human form of life is to get out of this material world and not try and build the kingdom of God without God.

Srila Prabhupada - ''When the superior energy is in contact with inferior energy, it becomes an incompatible situation. But when the supreme marginal potency is in contact with the spiritual potency, Harā, it becomes the happy, normal condition of the living entity." (From the "Happening Record Album" New York City December 1966).*

Krsna gave the individual marginal living entities (jiva-tattva souls) their free will because everything orignates from Krsna.

The jiva-souls have always had free will as part of their constitutional make up and like Krsna, the individual jiva-souls are beginningless and endless.

No two jiva-souls are the same, each are independent individuals with their own unique personality separate from Krsna's Personality.

Krsna (God) is not responsible for all the suffering in the material creation that many jiva-souls experience, even though the material worlds are all His creation.

The individual jiva-souls are responsible for their own actions as soon as they first chose to enter the material creation.

This is because of misusing their free will that allows them to act in anyway they desire.

However, the now trapped jiva soul eventually find themselves overwhelmed by the reactions from their own deeds.

Eventually becoming so entangled and covered by material nature, they lose their free will and become controlled by their own Karma, or the reactions to their own actions.

In the material world so many terrible things are continually happening because of mistaken selfish desire and the fact that the nature of the material creation is it is temporary and in a constant state of decomposition and decay.

This does not happen because Krsna personally allows such suffering to happen, no, Kṛṣṇa is technically not responsible for all the suffering in the material creation.

Even though the material worlds are His creation via Maha-Vishnu.

The suffering in the material creation happens because the individual jiva-souls continue to misuse their free will and independence, such free will is part and parcel of their eternal individual marginal constitution.

Krsna never gave the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) free will because the jiva-souls have always had free will.

And like Krsna, the jiva-souls are beginningless and endless.

So there was never a time when they never had free will.

And Krsna will never interfere with the jiva-souls free will either.

If the jiva-souls never had their free will, they would have no independent unique ability to contribute that enriches and expands one's relationship with Krsna, making them mindless drones or no better than dead stone Prabhupada has warned.

Without free will, the jiva-souls would not have the personal ability to accept and experiencing loving exchanges, choosing to serve in their own unique personal special way, in the mood of loving reciprocation. 

These are the characteristics that make the jiva-soul (marginal living entity) the individual person they eternal are.

Love is never a one-way street, it can only exist when there is an exchange of feeling between Krsna and His devotee.

Love can only exist between two living beings, never with just one.

Surrendering one's free will for Krsna to completely control is impersonalism, it is like one who controls a puppet by moving the strings, having absolute control that will only take away from the jiva souls their individual sense of self and ability to offer their own personal unique contributions that each jiva-soul has.

No two jiva souls are the same, each are independent individuals with their own unique sense of self.

On the other hand, if Krsna controls the jiva-soul in every way in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan, then that cold one sided relationship is empty poisoned impersonalism.

Such a nonsense one sided dictatorial relationship would simply make the jiva-souls no better than "mindless lifeless dead stone" Prabhupada has explained.

The jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavan in their natural full spiritual potential, always have free will as part of their individual marginal identity, that allows them to each have their own unique personal relationship of their choice with Visnu or Krsna that only they have.

In other words, each jiva-soul has their own special unique association and relationship with Krsna.

However, the material creation is different because those who enter it have chosen to reject Visnu or Krsna greatly losing their full expression of free will due to being embodied in a material body and coming under the laws of material nature (karma).

So why then does Krsna allow so much suffering in the material creation?

First of all, the jiva-souls have perpetual free will as explained above, which always makes them fully responsible for their own actions.

Entering the material creation is a mistake by those jiva-souls because it is not the real home of the jiva-souls.

However, each jiva-soul can make their own choices due to their eternal constitutional nature as an independent free thinking part and parcel expansion of the Krsna having 78.125% of Krsna's 64 qualities which is 50 of His qualities.

It is not that Krsna at any point allows free will, because there has always been free will. 

This "freedom" for the jiva-soul is part of their perpetual makeup because without free will, meaning the jiva-souls independent sense of self worth, individuality, having a unique character and personality, then there can never be reciprocal love between Krsna and the marginal living entity (jiva-soul)

Sadly, some jiva-souls make the wrong choices Prabhupada has told us, giving the figure at less than 10%

But the adds over 90% choose to never rebel or fall down to the material creation.

While in the material creation, their actions good and bad, come under the laws of material nature called karma, and they have answer for all they do.

This means the jiva-soul is fully responsible for their own actions, life after life after life in the material creation.

Krsna is not responsible for the choices the jiva-soul makes, the jiva's are fully responsible for their actions.

All suffering therefore is caused by the reactions of their own mistaken choices and actions.

In other words, the jiva-soul is punished or rewarded for whatever actions, good or bad, they have chosen to act out in this life that may not be paid for until the next life, or even the life after that.

It is important to understand and realize that each of us are responsible for our actions.

Then we will understand that we cannot blame God for the suffering of what even appears to be innocent young children dying of so many different diseases.

Many are blinded by the external bodily vessel and can only see the child's gross material body, and not the eternal jiva-soul within who has had many past lives in other material bodies, that all have accumulated a build up of pious and impious reactions (karma).

What many do not see is that the jiva-soul is eternal and has had many material bodily vessels as Bhagavad Gita As It Is teaches.

Therefore, all the suffering in the present material body of the young child, is coming from whatever the jiva-soul in that child's present young material body, did in a previous life time, or life times.

The bank balance of karmic reactions, good and bad, are stored in the subtle body that are accumulated from thousands of previous lives.

They are then carried at death in the subtle material body to the next gross material body in the womb of the new mother.

Such karma, good and bad, gradually unfolds to the present body one is now living, and continue to unfold to all future lives (material bodies) the jiva-soul enters within the material universe.

God (Krsna) is not the cause of the jiva-souls suffering, they are by the selfish exploitive choices they have made in a past material body. Past lives they have forgotten in their present material body. This is why we see children suffering, it is simply karmic reactions from previous material bodies (lives)

However, for advanced souls with transcendental knowledge, they can see that the child's suffering is caused by the many mistaken actions made over many, many previous live times.

And understand that in the material body the child has in this life, the jiva-soul within it, is reaping the good and bad karma from all those previous life times.

It is important to understand that we cannot blame God for our suffering, or anybody else, clearly we are responsible.

We get what we deserve, no more, no less, what goes around comes around.

The balance between punishment and reward and good deed and bad deeds (karma) in the material world is very strict.

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Without free will in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavan, which means the jiva-souls always have an independent sense of self worth, individuality, unique character and personality separate from Krsna's Personality, then there can never be reciprocal love between Krsna and the marginal living entities (jiva-souls)

Srila Prabhupada has said without free will and the ability to reciprocate as an independent individual servant of Lord Krsna, then we are all no better than a dead stone.

Compiled by Gauragopala Dasa ACBSP.

Free will means that you can act wrongly, that is free will. There must always be the choice to do wrong or right, then it means we have free will.

If the jiva-souls are forced to act "one-sided" without expressing personal views and being encouraged to contribute to a "two-way" exchange with Krsna, then that means the jiva-souls have no free will.

Because I can choose to sometimes do wrong, then that means I also have free will.

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that."(Conversation, Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will." 

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada -"Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will."(Discussions with Rene Descartes and Prabhupada)

Having free will is the constitutional make up of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) that is always part and parcel within their eternal character, personality and bodily identity in the spiritual world.

This means the jiva-souls can even choose to leave the Vaikuntha Planets or Goloka-Vrindavana (The Kingdom of God) if they want, this is also what free will allows and if it didn't, then they have no free will.

Syamasundara - "Can we predict that returning back home back to Godhead, will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however some do come back?''

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time."

Syamasundara - "And some come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."

Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence, he can fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is not to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again." (Discussions with Syamasundara and Henri Bergson)

Revatīnandana - "Srila Prabhupāda you very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and I go to the brahmajyoti I'm still fallen."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana - "That means all jīva-souls there are also fallen souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition."(Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970 and Aug 17, 1971, London)

In the jiva-souls original state, they have the same bodily features like Krsna, sat-cit-ananda-vigraha (eternity, knowledge, bliss and form.

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – “[describing material form first]: Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - “Not in the spiritual world. There that is voluntary. 

Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. 

If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact."(SB 6.1.1-4, Melb, May 20, 1975)

As said above, the jiva-souls were never created or created from any origin (starting point) because there is no origin of the jiva-souls, they have always existed without beginning or end.

Srila Prabhupada - "Having independence means one can use it properly or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force." (Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Loving devotional service to Krsna is always based on a "two-way" voluntary exchange of personal feelings manifesting as loving acts of reciprocation between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees.

The sincere devotee voluntarily contributes their unique individual expressions of service as the real act of surrendering to Krsna.

Where as a "one-way" forceful demand that you must surrender and just do as you are told from a so called God or Guru, who does not allow personal voluntary contributions and expressions, is cold impersonalism, and such a sannyasi or guru should be kicked in the face.

Denying an individual jiva-soul to have a two-way exchange of reciprocating feelings condemns the so called devotee to be no better than dead useless stone.

Personalism means a two-way relationship of voluntary loving exchange that expands, enriches and multiplies loving affection, sentiment and exchanges between the jiva-souls, Krsna and Guru.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (BG Ch 9 text 2-5, New York, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed by only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then there is love." (SB Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Having free will is the eternal constitutional make up of every marginal living entity (jiva-soul) and is the foundation for all the jiva-soul's relationships with Krsna..***..

Voluntary loving service to Krsna is not a one-sided affiliate of total supremacy by Krsna, the jiva-souls always have the free will to contribute in their relationship with Krsna in their own unique way.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means two, there must be two, the lover and the beloved." (Lecture on BG Chapter 9 text 2-5, New York, Nov 23, 1966)

In Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges are always encouraged by Krsna in His relationship with the jiva-souls that adds flavour, variety and mystery to their association with Krsna.

This means the Kingdom of God (Goloka-Vrindavana) is not a one-sided dominating abode devoid of personal expressions (free will) that denies personal unique contributions or offerings by the jiva-souls that expand, enrich and flavour one's loving association with Krsna.

Loving service to Krsna and exchanges with Him cannot exist if there is only a one-sided affiliate of total supremacy or preeminence. 

The fact is genuine loving relations and service are based on "free-will" which means loving exhanges between two, and is never a one sided dominating affair.

Free will only has meaning when the jiva-souls can express themselves in a two-sided relationship with Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

In other words, loving reciprocation is only possible between two, with each contributing to the relationship that expands the variety of nectarine mellows.

Love can never exist when only one is involved.

Even Krsna had to divide Himself into two just so He could experience loving exchanges with a women.

The word reciprocation only has meaning when there are two involved, NOT one.

Free will is eternally the constitutional make up of every marginal living entity (jiva-soul) and the foundation in all relationship with Krsna because free will gives the jiva-souls a voice.

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture on BG Chapter 9 text 2-5, New York, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed by only one, there must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (SB Canto 1 Chapter 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - ''The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (SB Canto 2 Chapter 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada - "Surrender BY your intelligence but don't surrender your intelligence."(Letter to Bali Mardan 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Excerpt from: Philosophy Discussions with Srila Prabhupada – Rene Descartes)

Syamasundara - "Can we predict that returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however, some do come back?''

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time."

Syamasundara - "And some come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right, whatever you like."

Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence, he can fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is not to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again." (Discussions with Syamasundara > Henri Bergson).**

Explaining the workings of Maha-Visnu's mysterious material creation, and the original position (home) of the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) beyond the linear time of the material creation.

"Linear time" only exists in the temporary material worlds.

From the perspective of "matter," with its varigatedness and structure, only material time (past, present and future) is linear. 

The spiritual worlds are not governed by linear time because time there is known as "the eternal presence" where no decay, decomposition or old age and death exists. 

Also the rules of linear time does not apply to the jiva-souls who are made of anti-matter makeing their original home as the spiritual worlds, it only applies to "matter" which includes the material bodily vessels the jiva-souls are in as a passenger while confined to the material worlds.

The anti-material individual jiva-souls CAN travel "outside" of linear time (the material pathway of past, present and future) that the material bodily vessels and the material worlds (Brahmandas) are part and parcel of.

The material body and its surroundings are all made of material energy moved by material time (past, present and future) 

The jiva-souls are NOT part of the material energy, they are "anti-matter" beings covered by material energy.

This is because the "jiva-souls" are covered by a material bodily vessel in the material creation.

The jiva-souls are always eternal spiritual beings (anti-matter)

The jiva-souls in their original position or home, lives in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana and has nothing to do with the material dream creation. 

So just like one from above in the sky in a aircraft, one can see the beginning, middle and end of a road, similarly it is possible to see linear time (past, present and future) simultaneously by viewing from above that pathway of past, present and future or beginning, middle and end "outside" of this material body

In Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 4 Chapter 28 Text 53 and Text 55 is explained the jiva-soul's original home with Krsna in either the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana.

We are not suppose to be in this material creation, or after becoming frustrated with it, merging into the impersonal Brahmajyoti and trying to escape an active existence in the material creation. 

Attempting to enter the dormant inactive impersonal Brahmajyoti is considered spiritual suicide to a Vaisnava.

From Srimad Bhagavatam Krsna directly asks the jiva-soul now trapped in the material creation, 

"Do you remember Me!"

Therefore, how can you remember what you never knew? 

This clearly means we all came from Goloka Vrindavana or Vaikuntha and from there entered the material creation.

As said above, the jiva-souls did not originate from the inactive (impersonal) Brahmajyoti.

The mysterious workings of Maha-Visnu's material creation operates in a way that not even great philosophers, scientists and pandits can understand. 

The fact is all material bodily vessels originate from the dreams of Maha-Visnu.

Srila Prabhupada – "All existence in the material world is a dream of Maha-Visnu as the Brahma-Samhita describes- 

This material world is created by the dreaming of Maha-Visnu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation." (SB Canto 4 Ch 29 Text 83)

The jiva-souls (marginal living entities) who choose to the enter the material creation, must go to Maha-Visnu to get a suitable material bodily vessel from the blue-print of His dreams of the material worlds (Brahmandas)

Maha Visnu's dreams of the material creation eternally exist and are for "hire" to all visiting jiva-souls from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.  

One in full knowledge sees above the movement of "past, present and future," seeing "time" as an eternal pathway always available to travel through/on by the visiting jiva-souls who "hire" them from Maha-Visnu.  

So "Linear time" is the flow of material time (past, present and future) that governs each Brahmanda material universe created by Maha-Visnu, and its inner secondary material universe created by Garbhodakashayi Visnu, all moving at a different speeds of material time. 

Brahma's day of 24 hour equals 8 billion 640 million human years on our planet divided into day and night.

The 1000 Maha-yugas all happen only in Brahma's day-time hours that lasting for 4 billion 320 million human years.

Each Maha-yuga has 4 yugas-

1 - Satya-yuga 

2 - Treta-yuga 

3 - Dvarpara-yuga 

4 - Kali-yuga 

All bodily vessels in the material creation and their surroundings,  are "hired" from Maha-Visnu that are in sync with what the jiva-souls desire. 

For Maha-Visnu, He sees that all past, present, and future all exist together simultaneously.

This is like frames on a film canister are seen from the viewpoint of the complete film canister.

The material universes flow through past, present and future is clearly seen.

Like one sees the entire length of a roadway from its beginning to it's end, the jiva-souls can also view their material bodily stages they are in.

Or just like one can re-watch a film on a reel of film. 

Srila Prabhupada - "We are not the owner of this body, not the owner of the material senses. The senses are "hired" from the Supreme Lord. This is very subtle understanding; one should know the proprietor of the senses is God." (March 1966, New York City)

All the material bodily vessels in the material creation belong to Maha-Visnu and must be aquired from Him in order to enter the material worlds.

Maha-Visnu also provides all material facilities also to the jiva-souls who can no longer stay in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana because of their rejection of Krsna or Visnu.

No jiva-soul originate from Maha-Visnu, they only move into His domain and then from there, enter His dreams and hire a material bodily pathway according to their desires in their journey away from Krsna.

There are unlimited material bodily vessels available to the jiva-souls in the material creation originating from Maha-Visnu's dreaming.

The jiva-souls, just like Krsna, were never created and therefore have no origin.

They certainly did not originate from the impersonal Brahmajyoti as fools believe.

Krsna and the jiva-souls, like the Sun-disc and the sun-rays, cannot exist without each other, therefore Krsna and the jiva-souls have always existed and were never created.

The real home of the jiva-souls is not found in the material creation of Maha-Visnu, or in the dormant (inactive) aspect of the Brahmajyoti.

The jiva-souls real and only home has always been originally Goloka Vrindavana. 

From there many jiva-souls have voluntary chosen to enter Visnu's Vaikuntha planets to serve the Lord in a four armed form or many other forms there too, others voluntarily choose to remain in Goloka Vrindavana. 

Krsna's central abode is Goloka Vrindavana.

So clearly, the genuine home of all the jiva-souls is not the temporary decaying mundane material creation, or being merged inactively (dormant) in the impersonal Brahmajyoti, it is Goloka Vrindavana.

Entering the impersonal brahman or Brahmajyoti is considered spiritual suicide to a Vaisnava devotee of Kṛṣṇa because one is trying to forcibly end or cease their individual active existence, personality and reciprocal relationship with Krsna or Visnu.

From Maha-Visnu's point of view, He sees the movement of material time's past, present and future, from above linear time.

Maha-Visnu sees all His dreams existing simultaneously in the "eternal presence." that He exists in.

Past, present and future is a "material" designation only existing in the material creation, it does not exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, only the "eternal presence" exists there. 

This means in the material creation there always exists a permanent (continuous) pathway so unlimited visiting jiva-souls can experience.

Srila Prabhupada – "This material creation is the spirit soul’s dream. Actually all existence in the material world is created by the dreaming of Maha-Visnu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation." (SB Canto 4 Ch 29 Text 83)

Srila Prabhupada – "Everything happening within time, which consists of past, present and future, is merely a dream. This is the secret in understanding in all the Vedic literature." (SB Canto 4 Ch 29 text 2b)

Srila Prabhupada – "Our contact with matter is just like dream. Actually we are not fallen. Therefore, because we are not fallen, at any moment we can revive our Krsna consciousness, we break the dream." (Tokyo Japan 1972 lecture on SB)

Srila Prabhupada – "Factually all of material existence is only a dream. Thus there is no question of past, present or future. Persons who are addicted to karma-kanda-vicara, which means ‘working for future happiness through fruitive activities’, are also dreaming. Similarly, past happiness and present happiness are merely dreams." (SB Canto 4 Ch 29 text 2b)

The material bodily roadway or pathway is where the jiva-souls move from the past, to the present, and then to the future, from its start (birth) to its end (death)

These activities from Maha-Visnu's dreams are a permanent fixture stored above the movement of past, present and future, and always exist like different points on a roadway always exist simultaneously.

Therefore, at any point on the pathway of past, present and future, can be experienced by other jiva-souls who enter that roadway, but can never be changed.

This is simply because Maha-Visnu has already dreamed all realities In His material creation.

Each material bodily pathway is already set in stone from its beginning to its end, this means each material bodily pathway that the visiting jiva-soul travels on, comes from the already dreamed dreams of Maha-Visnu and can only be lived through but never be changed (hence set in stone)

In other words, the visiting jiva-souls who enter the material creation and then "hire" a material bodily "dream" from Maha-Visnu's dreams, will find such dreams are already an established reality from its beginning to its end.

This is why once the jiva-souls have entered one of Maha-Visnu's dreams (material bodily vessels), nothing in that bodily pathway can be changed, unless one leaves that material body and enters an alternative dream (material bodily vessel) pathway of Maha-Visnu.

Actually, every scenario of material bodily forms (pathways) conceivable already exists within the dreams of Maha-Visnu.

Every twist and turn in multiple dimensions one can think of  already exists in Maha-Visnu's dreams.

Everything is eternally existing in the dreams of Maha-Visnu that includes all material facilities 

As said above, each material bodily pathway is always available and constantly occupied by a flow of other visiting jiva-souls who have also chosen to enter that pathway in the temporary material creation.

Linear-time is the movement from past to present, and then to the future. Linear time is the pathway of past, present and future that moves through the space-time of the material creation.

In other words, linear-time is where time is seen sequentially, as a series of events that are unfolding along a pathway, it's beginning, middle and end.

By seeing the entire journey on a long winding roadway all at once, one sees where the road began, its middle and its end.

This is seeing above linear time. (the flow from past to present to future)

Maha-Visnu and rare yogis and devotees can see above the flow of linear time, just like one sees an entire roadway from above in a plane or helicopter, where one sees its beginning, middle and end, all at the same time. 

All material bodily vessels the jiva-souls possess are chosen from Maha-Visnu's unlimited volt of dreams that are His collection of material bodily vessels that the jiva-souls can choose from, that are simultaneously in sync with the visiting jiva-soul's desires and lived out in linear time (the past, present and future of the material creation)

All material bodily vessels are like costumes "hired out" constantly from the costume shop owner Maha-Visnu to the visiting jiva-souls (from Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana)

The jiva-soul's desires (choices and expressions initiated by free will) are factored in before the jiva-souls are given a particular material bodily vessel (pathway) to enter the material creation.

However, free will only partially exists in while in the material creation and only in the human species of life.

Free will does not exist in lower species of life, there is only the urges of eating, sleeping, mating and defending. 

Maha-Visnu sees all, beginning, middle and end of all material bodily vessels because He is God and knows past, present and future.

All material bodily vessels always remain the dreams of Maha-Visnu and always belong to Him.

Such material vessels can only be "hired" off Maha-Visnu.

However, there is always free will but the paradox here is each material bodies destiny that the visiting jiva-souls experience, is already mapped out within the dreams of Maha-Visnu explained above, but in a way where free will is also now factored into the bodily vessel's journey.  

So free will is factored into the equation in such a way that the free will of each jiva-soul is not affected by each material bodily vessels pathway (journey) already known by Maha-Visnu.

Free will always exists in the spiritual worlds that allows the jiva-souls to except or even reject Krsna by choosing to leave Krsna's association if they decide. 

Such freedom must be there if love is to truly exist in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, the jiva-souls must have the right to do reject Krsna which actually proves they really do have free will.

Having free will is the constitutional make nd if it didn't, then there would be no free will.

This is why it is nonsense that big, big sannyasi and gurus foolishly claim once entering the spiritual worlds, the jiva-souls will never again fall down, even if they want to.

No, they can fall down again if they choose  and such fall downs have nothing to do with maya (material energy) because maya does not exist in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana. 

The cause of fall down is simply free will in most cases, unless there is some offense to a devotee like what the two gate keepers of Vaikuntha did to the four Kumaras.

However, their fall down was lila and had nothing to do with others who choose to leave and try to live without Krsna in the material creation.

Those who claim the jiva-souls will never again fall down to the material creation, are speaking nonsense because there is always a chance of fall down because of free will.

Even though over 90% choose to never fall down, there are still less than 10% that do choose to again leave Vaikuntha and enter the material creation.

The fact is maya or material energy does not exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana (The Kingdom of God).

The choice to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana is possible because Krsna allows a two-way exchange, this means one can accept or reject Krsna if they choose to do so.

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada -"Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Excerpt from: Philosophy Discussions with Srila Prabhupada – Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he'd likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that."(Conversation, Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

There is no such thing as eternal reoccurrence going on in material nature where the material creation repeats itself. 

We only see it that way because of viewing and experiencing everything through the passage of past, present and future.

But no, the over all material creation is not like that at all.

What is really constantly "there" in the fabric of the material creation, are permanent pathways or roadways (bodily vessels) that is moved through by the jiva-souls through each section of the roadway which always remains as a blue-print. 

This allows a constant flow of other jiva-souls to traverse that same roadway experiencing the journey of that material bodily vessel pathway.

These philosophical points are not easy understood. 

To understand all this one must see the bigger picture above the movement of past, present and future.

These "bodily roadways" are a permanent fixtures with the dreams of Maha-Visnu.

Each dream is expressed as past, present and future that the jiva-souls experience. 

But seeing from above past, present and future, the roadway is always there taking the jiva-souls from birth to youth to middle age to old and finally death (the end of the roadway)

From Maha-Visnu's dreams that are a feature and fixture of each material universe that the individual jiva-souls can enter and pass along from past to present, to future.

The fact is, all material bodily vessels are the dreams of Maha-Visnu, and from above the movement of past, present and future, are a permanent fixture in the material creation, always remains the dreams of Maha-Visnu.

This means visiting jiva-souls can experience those dreams, like one moves on a roadway or pathway that always remains there for other travellers to pass along.

Another way of looking at this-

Just like in society there exists fancy dress shops where one can go and lease out costumes to experience a particular play (material reality)

Similarly in the material creation every material bodily vessel conceivable exists within Maha-Visnu's fancy dress shop of material costumes (His dreams) that one can "hire" from Maha-Visnu. 

All such realities, pathways, bodily vessels all come from Maha-Visnu's dreams and are available to all visiting jiva-souls who choose to enter the material creation.

Therefore each time the material universe again manifests, a different batch of jiva-souls enters those pathways of material bodily costumes the jiva-souls wears/and passes through.

In other words, just like the costumes in a fancy dress hire rental shop, all material bodily vessels in the material universe are "hired" to the jiva-souls who have chosen to enter the material creation.

Therefore, each material bodily costume (vessel) is a permanent roadway coming from Maha-Visnu's volt of dreams that provide the jiva-soul's the experiences of moving through past, present and future and experiencing birth, youth, disease, old age and death. 

All material vessels or costumes always remain the property of Maha-Visnu's dreams and are only "hired out" to the visiting jiva-souls who choose to enter the material creation. At all times they always remain the property of Maha-Visnu.

The cycle of decay and renewal, birth and death in this temporary material existence continues on eternally, with a continuous flow of individual jiva-souls experiencing the pathway of each material bodily vessel (the dreams of Maha-Visnu)

There is always free will because without free will the jiva-souls are no better than dead stone.

As said above, each pathway always remains the same as a "hired out" dream from Maha-Visnu, where the jiva-souls experiences birth, childhood, disease, old age and death as they move along that pathway in a material bodily vessel.

Each time the jiva-soul, who is now presently confined to this material universe, travels through the movement of past, present and future, it seems to repeats itself with a different batch of jiva-souls who also enter the same pathways of material bodily vessels provided by Maha-Visnu's dreams.

This means the material creation created by Maha-Visnu, is always the exact same material creation, but only seems it is changing because of the movement of material time (past, present and future) 

Within each material bodily vessel, exists a different individual jiva-soul playing that part, different from the previous jiva-souls who played that exact same roll in the previous point on that roadway's journey through past present and future.

The material bodily vessels are a fixed fabric of the material universes past, present and future and there is no repetition going on.

In other words past, present and future, like the beginning, middle and end of a roadway, are existing all together at the same time.  

Just like one can see that entire roadway from above existing at its beginning, middle and end.

The jiva-souls (anti-matter) are NOT the material bodily vessel they are in, they are the passenger in that material body on that roadway that is "hired" from Maha-Visnu's dreams. 

As said above, the material bodily vessel is only a garment covering the jiva-soul who is the passenger in that outer garment or material body.

One's relationship with Krsna is never impersonal, nor did the jiva-souls originate from some nonsense impersonal beginning (impersonal Brahmajyoti)

The word "tatastha-sakti" refers to the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in their "fallen conditional state" in both the material creation and dormant in the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

Srila Prabhupada - "So this material world is the taṭastha (conditioned) characteristics, and the spiritual worlds are the personal (Vaikuntha) characteristics." (New York City, Dec 28, 1966)

In other words, tatastha-sakti is a "fallen conditioned designation" of the "fallen" jiva-soul. 

Tatastha-sakti describes the "conditiones state" of those jiva-souls who have entered the material creation, and later when in the impersonal Brahmajyoti. 

But NOT those jiva-souls already in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.

It is important to understand that the jiva-souls have many different names describing their position and condition, and tatastha-sakti is one of those names describing the jiva-souls fallen conditioned state in the Brahmajyoti.

The jiva-souls (marginal potency) were not created from an impersonal "clear sheet of consciousness" either. 

This is because they have always existed everywhere (sarva-gatah means life has always existed everywhere)

Bhagavad Gita confirms the jiva-souls were never created and have no origin, and exist within infinity-

Bhagavad Gita - "For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG Ch 2 Text 12) 

The jiva-souls may fall to an inactive or dormant state (the impersonal Brahmajyoti), but they certainly did not originate from there.

Even entering the impersonal Brahmajyoti or Brahman is also only temporary relief for the jiva-souls as explained above, who entered there to escape the suffering and pain of being embodied in the material world in the cycle of repeated birth and death.

The marginal living entities or marginal plane is a collective of unlimited eternal jiva-souls without any beginning point,  who are spread throughout the entire spiritual sky (both spiritual worlds and material worlds)

Those jiva-souls who have made the choice to enter the temporary decomposing material creation, can later, due to the frustration of material life, enter an inactive dormant state within the Brahmajyoti (the impersonal dormant aspect of Brahman)

In fact the fallen jiva-soul can stay in the impersonal Brahmajyoti for a very, very, very long time, so long a time that some foolishly believe it is where they originated from after emerging from there.

The dormant inactive aspect of the Brahmajyoti is not the origin of the jiva-souls, it is actually a fallen state they enter.

The fact is, the individual jiva-souls do not originate from anywhere including the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

This is because they are eternal and have always existed as part and parcel of the marginal plane of Krsna's energies (sakti) who are individual living entities spread throughout the entire spiritual Sky (material and spiritual worlds)

The way the jiva-souls first entered the material creation, is they came down from the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka Vrindavana, mostly by choice (free will)

Revatīnandana - "Srila Prabhupāda you very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and I go to the brahmajyoti I'm still fallen."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana - "That means all jīva-souls there are also fallen souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition." (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970 and Conversation Aug 17, 1971, London)

Srila Prabhupada - "When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness." (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

In the jiva-souls original position they have the same bodily features like Krsna, sat-cit-ananda-vigraha.

The jiva-souls are eternal person without any beginning point, nor will they ever cease to be as Bhagavad Gita As It Is teaches.

Prabhupada says in the first record Album he made in New York in December 1966, that we are all originally Krsna conscious entities.

The jiva-souls are not originally from an impersonal or inactive clear state of consciousness, or some impersonal spark in Krsna's effulgence. 

Those inactive dormant conditions are a fallen condition of the jiva-souls who have long, long ago chose to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana.

The marginal potency isn’t a place where the jiva-souls came from either. The marginal platform is a eternal collective of individual jiva-souls spread throughout the spiritual sky.

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are an unlimited number of individual persons with the following qualities-

sat,

chit,

ananda,

vigraha.

This means in English that Krsna and the individual jiva-souls are-

eternity,

Knowledge,

bliss,

bodily spiritual form.

The original feature of the individual jiva-soul is a bodily form like Krsna Prabhupada has said, having two arms, two legs etc.

This spiritual bodily svarupa form is the jiva-soul's full potential in their original Spiritual position (rasa) in Goloka-Vrindavana.

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – [describing material form first]: Yes, they are more covered. Just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world. There that is voluntary. Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; then they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB Canto 6.1.1-4 - Melb, May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago." (Lecture on BG, Aug 6, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha." (Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970)

Some of Krsna's marginal living entities (jiva-souls) fall further to becoming dormant in Krsna's effulgence known as the impersonal Brahmajyoti or Brahman.

Impersonalists who are fed up existing as a person, desire to be bodiless, inactive and dormant in that conditioned state in the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

This is because they are already fallen and have long, long ago forgotten their original two armed spiritual bodily form in Goloka Vrindavana, or four armed form on the Vaikuntha planets.

They are there so long that they believe the impersonal Brahmajyoti is their original home.

Only in the fallen conditioned state can the jiva-souls merge as individual inactive bodiless unit in the impersonal Brahmajyoti collective of dormant individual jiva-souls.

But such a condition is also temporary and eventually after billions of years being dormant in the Brahmajyoti, those jiva-souls fall from there too and again take birth in the material creation.

The nature of the jiva-souls is to be always active and not inactive. Therefore merging into the impersonal Brahmajyoti is artificial and suicidal nonsense.

The jiva-souls are perpetually endowed with free will expressed fully in the spiritual worlds only. 

Being marginal (jiva-soul) means Krsna's separated living entities who have free will.

Therefore, there is always free will on all the spiritual planets including Goloka Vrindavana, meaning one can leave anytime they want because of that free will.

So, if we came to this material world due to our choice to reject Krsna, that does not mean we had to know what all other options for us were.

Our desires are still there but centred around ourselves instead of Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that." (Conversation, Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

Can we predict that returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that?

Syamasundara - "Can we predict that returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however, some do come back?''

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time."

Syamasundara - "And some come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."

Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence, he CAN fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is not to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again." (Discussions with Syamasundara > Henri Bergson)