Srila Prabhupada - "We are not the owner of this body, not the owner of the material senses. The senses are "hired" from the Supreme Lord. This is very subtle understanding; one should know the proprietor of the senses is God." (March 1966, New York City)
All the material bodily vessels in the material creation belong to Maha-Visnu and must be aquired from Him in order to enter the material worlds. The material creation is simultaneously the dreams and desires of the individual jiva-souls because of their free will as Prabhupada explains here
Srila Prabhupada – "This material creation is the spirit soul’s dream." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29 Text 83)
The fact is, those "self centred" dreams (desires) the individual jiva-souls can develop in the spiritual due to free will world, is the cause of them leaving the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka Vrindavana (falling down), and enter the temporary material world however, the individual jiva-souls can only find an outlet for their dreams and desires in the material world, by first "hiring" a temporary material bodily vessel from Maha-Visnu dreams first.
Only from Maha-Visnu's dreaming of unlimited material bodily vessels, can all visiting individual jiva-souls aquire a suitable material bodily vessel. Maha-Visnu's dreams of material bodily vessels include every possible senerio and outcome
To enter the material creation, the visiting individual jiva-souls have to approach Maha-Visnu to "hire" a material bodily vessel from His dreams in order to experience their own selfish dreams separate from Krsna and His spiritual world.
As said above, the visiting individual jiva-souls who enter the temporary material creation, first must "hire" a material bodily vessel from the dreams of Maha-Visnu.
Srila Prabhupada – "Actually all existence in the material world is a dream of Maha-Visnu, as the Brahma-Samhita describes-
This material world is created by the dreaming of Maha-Visnu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29 text 83)
Srila Prabhupada - "Everything happening within time, which consists of past, present, and future, is merely a dream. This is the secret in understanding in all the Vedic literature." (SB. SB, Canto 4 Ch 29 text 2b)
Srila Prabhupada - "Factually all of material existence is only a dream. Thus, there is no question of past, present, or future. Persons who are addicted to karma-kanda-vicara, which means ‘working for future happiness through fruitive activities’, are also dreaming. Similarly, past happiness and present happiness are merely dreams." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29 text 2b)
All material bodily vessels are provided to the individual jiva-souls to "hire" who reject Krsna and Visnu, by Maha-Visnu the creater of the material world.
This includes all material facilities that are also provided by Maha-Visnu to those individual jiva-souls who can no longer stay in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana because of their rejection of Krsna or Visnu. The desires of the individual jiva-souls are eternally existing but sadly now centred around themselves instead of Kṛṣṇa or Visnu.
The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) do not originate from Maha-Visnu; they move to His abode, and then through His dreams (hiring material bodily pathways) enter the material universe.
The individual jiva-souls receive a material bodily vessel according to their desires for their journey into the material creation.
There are unlimited material bodily vessels available to the jiva-souls that instantly place them in Maha-Visnu's material creation.
It is important to understand the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities), just like Krsna, were never created therefore had no origin.
Krsna and the individual jiva-souls are like the Sun-disc and the sun-rays that cannot exist without each other; therefore, Krsna and the individual jiva-souls have always existed and were never created.
The permanent home of the individual jiva-souls is the Vaikuntha planets of Lord Visnu, or Krsna's central planet of Goloka-Vrindavana, and not the temporary mundane material creation, or being merged inactively (dormant) in the impersonal Brahmajyoti.
The marginal plane (tatastha) is the category the eternal individual jiva-souls identify with because they can choose to live in the material world, or the spiritual world, which is what being "marginal living entities" means.
"Marginal" further means the eternal individual jiva-souls can remain in the spiritual world (their natural home) or live in the material world.
However, they do not originate from the marginal plane (tatastha) because the individual jiva-souls have no origin, their perpetual home has always been the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana (the spiritual world) but can choose to live in the material world as explained above.
Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new individual jiva-souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 9 July 1970)
Being "generated" from Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, means that the individual jiva-souls belong to a beginningless and endless category or collective of living entities (individual jiva-souĺs) known as the "marginal plane" also called tatastha-sakti which means they can choose to live in the spiritual or material world.
The eternal real home of the individual jiva-souls is the perpetual spiritual worlds known as the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana and not the temporary material world.
As clearly explained above, this means the individual jiva-souls as a spiritual bodily form, have no origin or beginning point to their existence.
The individual jiva-souls were not created from the marginal plane (tatastha), which is an eternal category or platform the individual jiva-souls are described as within Krsna's creation.
The individual jiva-souls have always been part and parcel of the marginal collective or plane (tatastha-sakti) known as the marginal living entities due to sometimes being able to choose to live in either the spiritual world, or the material world.
Srila Prabhupada - "So the individual jiva-souls are the marginal energy. Marginal means we may remain under the external energy, or we may remain under the spiritual energy, as we like." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 text 13, London, Aug 19, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada - "We living entities (individual jiva-souls) are marginal energy. The whole material world is material energy. And there is spiritual energy. The spiritual world. And we are marginal. So, we are sitting either in the material energy, marginal means this way or that way. You can become spiritual or you become material. No third alternative. Either you become materialistic or become spiritualistic. So, so long we are in the material world, you are sitting on the material energy, therefore you are also sitting in Kṛṣṇa because energy is not separated from Kṛṣṇa." (Lecture BG, Ch 6 text 25-29, Los Angeles, Feb 18, 1969)
Srila Prabhupada - "Caitanya Mahāprabhu explained, taṭasthā-śakti which means marginal. Marginal means the living entity (individual jiva-souls) has to become servant. That is his position. Jīvera svarūpa haya nitya kṛṣṇa dāsa (Cc. Madhya 20.108-109). But when the servant wants to become master, he is under the clutches of māyā. And when he understands that "I am not master; I am servant," he is under Kṛṣṇa. That is taṭasthā (marginal). That taṭa... Taṭa means the beach. Sometimes the beach is covered with water, and sometimes it is land. That is called taṭasthā. So that land, sometimes water." (Lecture CC Madhya-lila 20.108-109, New York, July 15, 1976)
Srila Prabhupada - "Because he is living entity (individual jiva-soul), he is marginal. There is chance of being on this side or that side, the spiritual world or the material world, this is what marginal means. I have explained several times. Just like the land. Between the ocean and the land, there is a portion of land which is sometime merged within water, sometimes it is land. So a living entity's position is like that, marginal energy. He may be under the influence of yogamāyā or he may be under the influence of mahāmāyā. When he is under the influence of mahāmāyā, that is his conditional life. And when he is under the influence of yogamāyā, he's free." (Lecture, Seattle, Oct 7, 1968)
Srila Prabhupada - "So we are called taṭastha which is another word for marginal. Marginal means the individual jiva-souls can remain either way, they can be in the spiritual world, or the material world. Either on God's side or māyā's side. That is my choice. So when we don't want to serve God, then we are sent to the māyā, to serve māyā. Māyā means his position as servant remains the same, but he thinks "I am master." That is māyā. He is Just like a child trying to do something father does not like. But when he cries, he's given that. "All right. Do this." But "All right, do this" or "Do that," he is under the father. He is under the control of the father. But when he is given such chance, "Oh, I am independent now. I am independent." So this is called māyā. He's never independent, but he thinks, "I am independent." (Philosophy Discussion on The Evolutionists Thomas Huxley, Henri Bergson, and Samuel Alexander)
Srila Prabhupada - "Marginal means sometimes internal, sometimes external. When we (individual jiva-soul) are under the internal energy, that is our normal life, and when we are under the external energy, that is our abnormal life. Therefore, we are called marginal energy; we can be either this way or that way. But being qualitatively one with the purusa, our tendency is to remain in the internal energy. Being in the external energy is our artificial attempt." (Letter to Lilavati, Allston, Mass 25 April, 1969)
Srila Prabhupada says being marginal (tatastha) can also mean a fallen condition in the material world because the individual jiva-souls can choose to leave the spiritual world and enter that fallen condition (tatastha) in the material world.
Srila Prabhupada - "So this temporary material world is the taṭastha (materially conditioned) characteristics, and the spiritual world is the permanent (personal) characteristics. So our effort is to get out of this taṭastha (materially conditioned) characteristics and enter the permanent (personal) characteristics. That is called spiritual elevation." (Lecture CC, Madhya-lila 20.354-358, New York City, Dec 28, 1966)
Srila Prabhupada - "Because the individual jiva-soul is apt to fall down sometimes under the clutches of māyā to the material world, it is called taṭastha śakti." (Lecture BG, Ch 7 Text 4-5 Bombay, March 30, 1971)
Srila Prabhupada - "Marginal means actually we belong to the spiritual nature. Because we are spirit soul, but we have come in contact with this material nature, some way or other. So therefore we are seeing our position incompatible. We cannot adjust here. Therefore we are getting one type of body and enjoying or suffering another type of body, another type of body, another type of body. This is going on. Therefore we are called marginal. If we like, we can transfer ourself to the spiritual world and remain eternally, because we are of the spiritual nature." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 15 text 36, Los Angeles, Dec 14, 1973)
The word tatastha-sakti means marginal plane which is the category the individual jiva-souls are eternally part of but do not originate from there because they have no origin.
The eternal real home of the individual jiva-souls is the perpetual spiritual worlds known as the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana and not the temporary material world.
From Maha-Visnu's point of view above the movement of space-time's past, present and future, the moving through material time's past, present, and future, see them all existing simultaneously and always there as the "permanent pathway" known as the "Block universe" where unlimited individual jiva-souls are continuously moving through a permanent pathway of past, present and future.
All material bodily vessels from the dreams of Maha-Visnu are already set in stone from beginning to its end because Maha-Visnu has already dreamed them.
This is why once the individual jiva-soul has entered one of Maha-Visnu's dreams by "hiring" a material bodily vessel, nothing in that bodily journey can be changed.
Each material bodily "hired" vessel is also permanently available and therefore continuously "hired" to other visiting individual jiva-souls who choose to enter Maha-Visnu's temporary material creation Block universe on the permanent pathways where past, present and future exist simultaneously.
This is seen when the pathway is viewed from above, just like from above one can see the beginning, middle and end of a long winding roadway.
Linear-time is the movement from past to present, and then to the future, that is a pathway that moves through the fabric of space-time.
In other words, "linear-time" is where time is seen sequentially, as a series of events that are unfolding along a pathway, from its beginning, middle, and end.
As said above, like seeing the entire journey of a long roadway all at once, one is able to see where the road began, its middle, and its end. In the same way, this is like seeing above the movement "linear time" (past, present, and future)
Only Maha-Visnu and rare mystic yogis and devotees can see above linear time, just like one sees an entire roadway from above in an aircraft, its beginning, middle, and end, all at once.
All material bodily vessels are "hired" by the individual jiva-souls from Maha-Visnu's dreams, from His "Library of Dreams" chosen by those visiting individual jiva-soul that simultaneously match and are in sync with their own desires.
All material bodily vessels are like a costume "hired out" constantly from the Costume owner's shop, Maha-Visnu, to the visiting individual jiva-souls.
All of the individual jiva-soul's desires, choices, and expressions of free will are factored in before the individual jiva-soul "hire," a particular material bodily vessel to enter the material creation.
However, free will only partially exist in material creation, and only in the rare human species of life (400 thousand human species).
Free will does not exist in lower species of life (8 million species of life); there is only the instincts of eating, sleeping, mating, and defending in the lower non-human species.
Maha-Visnu sees all, beginning, middle, and end of all material bodily vessels because He is God and knows past, present, and future.
There is always free will; however, each material body's destiny that the visiting individual jiva soul experiences is already mapped out from the dreams of Maha-Visnu explained above.
And free will is factored into the equation in such a way that the free will of each individual jiva-soul is not affected.
Free will always exists in the spiritual world that allows the individual jiva-souls to accept or even reject Krsna by deciding to leave Krsna's association if they choose.
Such voluntary personal contributions, cooperation and input must always be there if love is to truly openly flourish and expand in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana.
So, from the mistaken desires (self centred) of the rebellious individual jiva-souls, that begins when they put their own selfish desires in the centre, instead of first pleasing Krsna, they are forced to "hire" a material bodily vessel from Maha-Visnu's dreams transferring them (the jiva-souls) into a temporary material bodily vessel from Maha-Visnu's dreams so they can enter the temporary material world.
This is the beginning of the individual jiva-soul's fall down to the material world from the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana.
However, such fall downs are very rare, less than 10% of individual jiva-souls fall down from the spiritual planets meaning over 90% of individual jiva-souls never fall down (choose to leave the spiritual world)
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Rejecting Krsna means the individual jiva-soul can no longer stay in the spiritual world and is therefore instantaneously transferred out of Vaikuṇṭha or Goloka-Vṛndāvana and relocated to the dream bodies of Maha-Visnu (the "hired" pathway of material bodily vessels) material creation.
The individual jiva-soul already knows and agrees with the entire pathway or journey they have because their desires are in sync with the bodily pathway (material bodily vessel) from Maha-Visnu's dreams they will enter.
Within Maha-Visnu's material creation exists every possible dream to fulfil every desire the visiting jiva-souls have; every scenario they can come up with is eternally existing in Maha-Visnu's dreams.
This means the individual jiva-soul's ability to express free will is already factored into the equation of the destiny of the material bodily vessel one has chosen to enter as explained above.
Bhagavad-gītā As It Is Chapter 11 Text 7-
"O Arjuna, whatever you wish to see, behold at once in this body of mine! This universal form can show you whatever you now desire to see and whatever you may want to see in the future. Everything moving and nonmoving is here completely in one place."
Srila Prabhupada - "No one can see the entire universe while sitting in one place. Even the most advanced scientists can not see what is going on in other parts of the universe. But, a devotee like Arjuna can see everything that exists in any part of the universe. Kṛṣṇa gives him the power to see anything he wants to see, past, present, and future. Thus, by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa, Arjuna is able to see everything." (BG, Ch 11 Text 7)
The great sages and devotees in previous ages thousands of years ago were "tri-kāla-jñā."
Tri-kāla-jñā means they could understand
1 - What was in the past,
2 - What shall there be in the future,
3 - And what is at present?
Five thousand years ago, instructions from the great Vedic sages were written down for this degraded age of Kali-yuga. Sages and great devotees back then could see past, present, and future.
The sages were known as tri-kāla-jñā. Tri means three. There is almost similarity, tri, and three. Tri is Sanskrit, and three is English or Latin, but there is similarity. Tri-kāla-jñā.
Tri means three, and kāla means time. As said above, time is experienced by three ways -
past,
present,
future.
Material time is limited to past, present, and future. Whenever you speak of time, it is past, present, or future.
So the sages in those days were tri-kāla-jñā. Tri-kāla-jñā means they could understand; they could know what was in the past, what they shall be in the future, and what is at present.
Albert Einstein's theory of special relativity proposes that time is an illusion that moves relative to an observer.
Just like in the Bhagavad gītā Kṛṣṇa says - "My Dear Arjuna, you, Me, I, and all these kings and soldiers who have assembled in this battlefield, they were all individuals, and we are still individual. In this past, in the future, we shall all remain individuals. That past, present, and future, he explained. Kṛṣṇa says, vedāhaṁ samatītāni (BG 7.26). Atītāni, atītāni means past. Vartamānāni ca, and present. So that is yogic power, one can know past, present, and future." (SB, Canto 12 Ch 2 Text 1 San Francisco, March 18, 1968)
In the mundane material creation, the individual jiva-souls "hire" their material bodily vessels from the dreams of Maha-Visnu that match their own desires.
Those dreams of Maha-Visnu are the massive material universes called Brahmandas, a multi-universe made up of billions of Brahmanda universes as seen in this painting.
And also includes everything living and none-living found deep inside each Brahmanda universe.
In other words, inside each Brahmanda universe is a secondary material universe where Garbhodakashayi Visnu is and where Lord Brahma builds the planet systems.
Maha-Visnu is sleeping surrounded by billions of Brahmanda spherical material universe.
All the material bodily vessels in the material creation belong to Maha-Visnu and must be acquired from Him.
To enter the material creation, the visiting jiva-tattvas (jiva-souls) come to Maha-Visnu to "hire" a material bodily vessel from Him, in order to experience their own selfish desires separate from Krsna and His Spiritual Abode.
Srila Prabhupada - "We are not the owner of this body, not the owner of the senses. The senses are "hired" from the Supreme Lord. This is very subtle understanding; one should know the proprietor of the senses is God." (March 1966 New York City)
The rebellious jiva-souls enter the impermanent material creation known as the "mahat-tattva" via Maha-Visnu's dreaming, this is because they have chosen to either reject Visnu in Vaikuntha (in an all reverence relationship) or Krsna in Goloka-Vrndavana (in a intimite personal relationship of lover or friend, etc).
It is important to understand the individual jiva-souls left the Kingdom of God not because of any material cause (that cannot exist in Vaikuntha anyway) but simply because of free will of wanting to be a god instead of serving God, and therefore gave up their association with Visnu or Krsna.
One cannot stay in the Lord's eternal abode if they have chosen not to serve Him unconditionally, therefore to do their own thing they must enter the material creation, also run by Krsna but as His Maha-Visnu expansion who builds the material worlds.
This is how we entered the material creation to seek out our own dreams within the dreams of Maha-Visnu.
The temporary decaying material creation takes up 1/4 of the Spiritual Sky.
The Spiritual Sky is all that there is, without beginning or end, and that also includes the smaller temporary material creation as well that is 1/4 of the Spiritual Sky as said above, is always in a state of decay and in need of constant maintenance.
The other 3/4s of the Spiritual Sky are the permanent spiritual worlds of the Vaikuṇṭha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana that never decays and is forever fresh (The Kingdom of God)
As said above, this temporary material creation we are in, are the "dreams of Maha-Visnu." We have foolishly entered His material creation by choosing to try and enjoy separate from Krsna.
We are then given material bodily vessels "hired" from Maha-Visnu's stockpile of "dreams" that is like a costume rental shop that always belong to Him and are always available for hire.
Some start as having the material body of Brahma as some Vedic texts claim, and many do not have Brahma as their first birth in the material creation; this is based on their desires to live without Krsna.
All facilities in the material universes (Brahmandas) are provided by Krsna (God) through His Maha-Visnu expansion.
We must not forget that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.
However, there is an easy way out of this temporary material creation in this present age called Kali-yuga, and that is by becoming a devotee in Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu's great Sankirtan Movement and always chanting Hare Krsna.
By properly using one's free will when possible in the human species, one can find a bonafide Spiritual Master who can lead one out of this mundane material dream creation and return to the only permanent reality of the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrndavana outside this decaying material creation.
Choosing to come to the material creation of mundane selfish dreams was a mistake.
Srila Prabhupada - "Our contact with matter is just like dream. Actually we are not fallen. Therefore, because we are not fallen, at any moment we can revive our Krsna consciousness, we break the dream." (SB, Canto 2 Ch 9 text 1, Tokyo Japan 1972)
There is still a lot more to learn about the movement of the marginal living entity (individual jiva-soul) through material space/time's past, present, and future.
We have only scratched the surface in understanding Vedic texts in the 56 years since Srila Prabhupada made his valuable contribution to the western world.
The movement of space/time in the temporary material creation is eternally divided into past, present and future as a roadway that has its beginning point (birth), middle (youth and middle age) and end of the roadway (old age and death), but only while the individual jiva-souls are covered by these material bodily vessels governed by the movement of material time.
Temporary means the decaying progression of material nature forced by time's movement of past, present, and future with its side effect of birth, youth, middle age, old age, and death.
Whereas in the spiritual worlds, there is only the permanence of the "eternal presence" of Krsna where everything is eternally fresh, youthful, and never decomposes
In the spiritual planets, the individual jiva-souls are their body and no longer possess a material decaying bodily vessel or covering.
All material bodily vessels or bodily containers are part and parcel of the fabric of material energies space/time that governs the temporary material creation and takes up 1/4 of the Spiritual Sky (matter)
3/4s of the Spiritual Sky are the permanent eternally youthful spiritual worlds (anti-matter) eternally existing in the "eternal presence" beyond the decaying influence of past, present and future that only exists in the material creation.
In the material creation's bodily vessels, the individual jiva-souls are there as the passengers who are riding within the material energies fabric of material bodily vessels.
Each material bodily vessel is made of material energy that the individual jiva-souls (anti-matter) possess.
The marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) are the passengers in the material body made of material energy.
Material energy is "one." The material bodily forms eventually wear out and break down (decay) and merges back into the material energy (material nature)
This forces the individual jiva-soul to leave that unsuitable decomposing material vessel.
Our material bodily vessels are ultimately dead matter only moved by the presence of the jiva-soul.
When the material body is no longer held together by the presence of an individual jiva-soul who possess it.
Only the presence of the individual jiva-soul gives the appearance of life in a material body.
The individual jiva-soul is anti-matter and not matter.
1 - "Matter" is lifeless dead energy existing in the material creation.
2 - "Anti-matter" is living individual living entities as spiritual bodily forms that lives eternally as individual living units in the spiritual world known as the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana (the Kingdom of God).
Only Kṛṣṇa (God) and His unlimited Visnu-tattva expansions can be both and individual persons as eternal spiritual bodily Forms, and simultaneously being all-pervasive and one with everything.
The individual jiva-souls are living, whereas the material energy has no life, it is simply dead matter.
All material bodily vessels are "hired" out to the individual jiva-souls by Maha-Visnu (from His costume library of dreams) according to their "dreams and desires."
And as the embodied individual jiva-soul continues their journey in the material world human life after human life, the accumulation of the reactions from acting out those original desires, creates pious and impious reactions.
But as said above, only in a human material body does the individual jiva-souls create Karma, there is no Karma for those in the lower species of life where one acts only on the instincts of eating, sleeping, mating and defending.
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Also with mundane logic, the material desires of an individual jiva-soul would eventually repeat themselves over the span of an eternity if they stayed in the material creation long enough.
This is because every combination of material elements would be exhausted to the point they would again repeat over an eternity.
If the jiva-soul chooses to remain in the material creation for an almost eternity, they could experience this.
This is possible because the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are eternal.
But what is really going on?
Even though the material energy is temporary and always decays, the material energy itself is eternal, but when material worlds and material bodies decay and are destroyed, the material energy will again eventually reappear as different forms and bodily vessels due the movement of past, present and future.
Many have asked, could the past activities of a material body one chooses from Maha-Visnu's dreams, still be happening in the universe's "same space" but happening in a different "time", with another individual jiva-soul playing that same part?
The answer is yes, infact that is exactly what's going on.
This is because past, present and future are happening always simultaneously and are a permanent fabric of the material energy.
This means all material bodily vessel are a permanent 'fixture' in material nature, like a roadway is in a City.
in other words, many jiva-souls travel on that same roadway (in that same material body) and also experience the same journey in the material creation.
Lord Brahma's material body is also a "hired out" position that many different jiva-souls have experience, if they are qualified to enter that material bodily vessel.
All material bodily vessels are "hired" from Maha-Visnu (God)
This further means only those jiva-souls with the right qualifactions can experience what ever bodily vessel they are offered, but only if they deserve it.
To be qualified for any material bodily vessel, one must be trained up and simultaneously have corresponding desires and Karma to qualify and enter a particular material bodily vessel they deserve, desire, rewarded with or punished with.
Once in the material creation, the jiva-souls will eventually take a material body created by their own karma (past good and bad actions)
It is also seems to some that the material universe of material bodily containers or vessels are repeating itself, except with a different batch of individual jiva-souls possessing all material bodily vessels.
Some philosophers like Friedrich Nietzsche call this the "eternal reoccurrence"
But no! That is not what is going on, there is no such thing as eternal reoccurrence, there is only the permanent roadway of material bodily vessels seen above the movement of past, present and future that jiva-souls can repeatly travel on.
This means everything already exists eternally and the jiva-souls just move through those permanent pathways of material energy (that are the dreams of Maha-Visnu).
The material body is not the person (jiva-soul), the material vessel is made of material elements that the jiva-souls are covered by and travels through.
The jiva-soul is the real person, and the material bodily vessel is not a person, it is the outer material covering of the eternal jiva-soul.
So where are Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin today? But who are Hitler and Stalin really?
Actually no-one is because the material body is not a person it is a material vessel made of material energy the jiva-souls "hire" from Maha-Visnu's dreams as explained above.
In fact as explained above, millions of jiva-souls can experience those bodily pathways of the rich, famous and infamous that are permanent pathways in the fabric of space-time in the material creation by also "hiring" those bodily pathways (vessels) from Maha-Visnu.
As explained, each material bodily pathway (vessel) is the creation of Maha-Visnu coming from His dreams.
The dreams (material bodily vessels) of Maha-Visnu are a permanent fixture of His material energies.
They are all simply material vehicles for the jiva-souls to travel in. This means no jiva-souls are created by, or come from Maha-Visnu.
Unlimited jiva-souls who enter the material creation can "hire" such material bodily pathways (dreams) from Maha-Visnu and also experience that dream in sync with their own desires.
In other words the material body is not the person (spiritual bodily form), it is the outer material vessel.
The individual person within the material bodily vessel is the individual jiva-soul.
This means the individual jiva-souls within the material body of Hitler, Stalin, Churchill etc, are the real persons occupying those material bodies.
The point made here is the jiva-souls are not the material bodily vessel they are in, were in, or will be in.
This is a little complicated to understand, but just like one can wear many different suits, similarly the jiva-souls, over millions of life times, wears millions of material bodily vessels.
All jiva-souls have had millions of different material bodies based on desires and karma, all material bodily vessels in the material creation the visiting jiva-souls can experience, is based on desire and reactions from ones actions while in human form.
As explained earlier, all material vessels are "hired" from the dreams of Maha-Visnu which means unlimited jiva-souls over time have travelled the many bodily roadways, including the material body the individual jiva-souls are in now.
The important point to understand here is we are not the material bodily vessel we are presently in.
And, as explained above, so called "eternal reoccurrence" is not what is happening here because like a roadway, the "hired" bodily vessels always exist as the roadway the jiva-souls journey along as a permanent pathway above the movement of past, present and future.
In other words past, present and future are always all over the material universes.
The material energy is an eternal fabric of space-time that perpetually exists as a pathway of material energy (material bodies) where unlimited jiva-souls traverse along as the passengers of those material bodily pathways made from material energy.
This means all material bodily vessels are existing from past, present to future in different stages like the different points on roadway are also always exists.
In other words, if one can observe past, present and future of the material energy (meaning the different stages from birth to old age of the material bodily vessel) it would look like a permanent pathway the jiva-souls are passing through continuously like one passes over a road that is permanently there.
Therefore, it only appears that the material bodily vessels are continually reoccurring when in actual fact they are not because they are always there divided into past, present and future.
The jiva-souls enter a permanent pathway in the fabric of material energy which exists eternally.
Everything is temporary in the material creation in a constant state of decay experienced as one moves along the pathway.
This is because of the movement of past, present and future that has the side effect of impermanence, decomposition, birth, youth, disease, old age and death.
In the Spiritual worlds of Vaikuṇṭha and Goloka Vṛndāvana, only the "eternal presence" of Krsna exists with no concept of past or future and therefore there is no impermanence or decay there.
This means everything there is eternally fresh and youthful in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana the eternal Kingdoms of God.
Temporary material energy makes up all material bodily vessels or containers that the jiva-souls enters as a passenger (covered by).
When these material bodily vessels wears out and decays, they break down into material elements and merges again back into the material energy.
Only the jiva-souls who are no longer covered by material energy, are a perpetual spiritual (anti-matter) bodily form (vigraha) and never decays.
The jiva-souls eternally remains individual persons separate from the mundane material creation, even though covered by decaying material material energy in the form of these material bodily vessels.
Therefore, the material universes concept of time is governed by past, present and future, but exists ALL at the same time to those who can see from above this mundane movement material time that Maha-Visnu always sees.
All material bodily vessels (made from material energy) we occupy, are a permanent fixture of the material energy owned by Maha-Visnu.
Such material vessels originate from His dreams of the material universe that are eternally existing through the continuous flow of material space-time.
All such material bodily vessels exist in Maha-Visnu's "Library Of Material Dreams," and are available for "hire" to those individual jiva-souls who have chosen to visit His material world after leaving the spiritual planets.
It is the constant flow of all material time of past, present and future that it is seemingly repeating itself as another material bodily vessels but no, there is no repetition or eternal reoccurrence going on, it never went on to begin with there is only the constant movement of jiva-souls travelling through material vessels on a permanent roadway that eternally exists for unlimited jiva-souls to travel through.
Only by properly understanding the fabric of material time can we see each stage of the journey of past, present and future.
In other words, past, present and future are eternally existing together all at the same time from Maha-Visnu's point of view - He sees all.
Srila Prabhupada always encouraged us to have personal realizations and yes, the ones here are thought provoking because they are based on the actual workings of the material universes.
Keep in mind, the dreams of Maha-Visnu are almost inconceivable to understand by most, even when Arjuna viewed past, present and future simultaneously and being able to see everything (past, present and future), he was scared and confused because he was seeing his own future and the future of his family.
The reason he could see his future was because it was already existing like an entire roadway from its beginning, to its middle and at its end.
Each dream of Maha-Visnu is always existing like a pathway that the jiva-souls traverse down (as explained above) This means the jiva-souls are traveling through what is already there, what has always existed.
Another way of understanding this is just like when one rewinds a video tape, the contends captured will always be the same at every stage on the tape, similarly, the material bodily vessels we are now in are a 'post' that always exists for jiva-souls to enter and experience.
This means material time and space is permanently recorded and always exists. Such are the material dreams of Maha-Visnu.
Only by properly understanding the fabric of material time can we see each stage of the journey of past, present and future. In other words, past, present and future are eternally exist together, all at the same time.
Srila Prabhupada always encouraged us to have personal realizations and yes, the ones here are thought provoking because they are based on Vedic teachings.
Keep in mind, the "dreams" of Maha-Visnu are almost inconceivable to understand, even when Arjuna viewed past, present and future simultaneously and being able to see everything (past, present and future), he was scared and confused because he was seeing his own future and the future of his family.
The reason he could see his future was because it was already existing like an entire roadway from its beginning, to its middle and at its end.
Each dream of Maha-Visnu is always existing like a pathway that the jiva-souls traverse down (as explained above) This means the jiva-souls are traveling through what is already there, what has always existed.
Another way of understanding this is just like when one rewinds a video tape, the contends captured will always be the same at every stage on the tape.
Similarly, the material bodily vessels we are now in are a 'post' that always exists for jiva-souls to enter and experience.
This means material time and space is permanently recorded and always exists within the blue print of space-time (the dreams of Maha-Visnu)
Such is the material creation of Maha-Visnu that takes up 25% of the Spiritual Sky..^^^..
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