Saturday, April 30, 2022

Srila Prabhupada explains nitya-siddha (eternally liberated) and nitya-baddha (eternally conditioned).

All jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are nitya-siddha (eternally liberated) in their infinite position Prabhupada explains below. 

The jiva-souls only become nitya-baddha (eternally conditioned) when they enter the material creation or the impersonal dormant (inactive) brahmajyoti.

This means because of free will, there are two states of existence that each jiva-soul can choose to be in, they can be either nitya-siddha (eternally liberated in the spiritual worlds) or nitya-baddha (eternally conditioned in the material creation)

The jiva-souls in the spiritual world CAN choose to give up being a nitya-siddha servant of Lord Viṣṇu in the Vaikuntha planets, or associating with Krsna in His home of Goloka-Vrindavana, and become nitya-baddha (eternally conditioned) in the material creation.

For free will to have any meaning, the above choice to accept, or reject Krsna, MUST be there, otherwise one is just manipulated porn devoid of free will (freedom)

Fall down of the individual jiva-souls to the material creation means their status as nitya-siddha can change to nitya-baddha.  

Therefore, by choosing to enter the material creation, those jiva-souls are no longer nitya-siddha, they are now known as nitya-baddha.

Being nitya-baddha means the jiva-souls have rejected visnu and Krsna. 


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Only then do they become nitya-baddha after giving up their nitya siddha status.

However, one can again become nitya-siddha by returning back home back to Godhead.

It is a nonsense belief that nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha (the jiva-souls) were created as two separate categories of jiva-souls.

The nonsense belief there are two separate classes of jiva-souls is impersonalism because ALL jiva-souls are originally nitya-siddha.

Even though we are now nitya-baddha (in the material creation) we are actually nitya-siddha in our original position with Krsna or Visnu because that is our eternal nature as a marginal living entity, we just have to again realize it.

Srila Prabhupada explains-

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense everyone comes from Krsnaloka. When one forgets Krsna he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "There are two kinds of marginal living entities: nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha. The actual constitutional position of every marginal living entity is nitya-siddha. By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can become again nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha." (New York Lecture on Caitanya Caritamrta, July 13, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "Nitya-baddhas are within this material world. Beginning from Brahma down to a small ant, insignificant ant, they are all nitya-baddha. Anyone who is in this material world they are nitya-baddha." (Lecture on Bhagavad-Gita 13-14, July 14, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can also become siddha. He can become again nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha, it is a difficult task." (London lecture on Bhagavad-Gita 13-14, July 14, 1973)

Originally ALL marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are nitya-siddha (eternally liberated) because they came from Goloka Vrindavana and Vaikuntha.

Nitya-siddha is when the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are in their natural pure bodily state, "eternally liberated" in Goloka Vrndavana or Vaikuntha with Krsna or Visnu.

The nitya-baddha condition is when the jiva-souls are in an impure state "eternally conditioned" in the material creation selfishly serving one's own interests unaware of their original position of nitya-siddha.

Also the original form of the marginal living entities or jiva-souls is not some nonsense impersonal spark in Krsna's effulgence (impersonal Brahmajyoti)

Revatīnandana - "Srila Prabhupāda you very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and I go to the brahmajyoti I'm still fallen."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana - "That means all jīva-souls there are also fallen souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition." (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970 and August 17, 1971, London)

The jiva-souls are originally a two armed bodily (vigraha) form like Krsnas Prabhupada has explained to us.

The jiva-souls are eternal PERSONS as a spiritual bodily form, like Krsna's spiritual bodily form in their infinite position.

The full potential and infinite feature of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) is a two arm form like Krsna's bodily Form.

Srila Prabhupada - "The human form is the full manifestation of the jiva-soul." (Melb, May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul is NOT formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

JkklDevotee - "What is the form of the spiritual body. If the spirit soul is non-material, what is the form?"


Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul always has got form, and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)


Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form, God is also human form. Man is made after the shape of God. I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first]: Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered, they are not in their full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, then he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 Text 1-4 Melb, May 20, 1975)

Krsna never interferes with the jiva-soul's free will even when they choose to reject Him.

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Philosophy Discussions on Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago." (Lecture BG, Aug 6, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - ''These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha." (Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970)

However, sadly there are foolish sangas (religious groups) and their ignorant leaders (including gurus and sannyasis) who are polluted with Impersonalism and cannot understand Prabhupada's comments above.^^..

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Nitya-siddha (eternally liberated) and nitya-baddha (eternally conditioned) explained.

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence; that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Some wrongly claim there are "two types of jiva-souls" - eternally conditioned (nitya-baddha) and eternally liberated (nitya-siddha)

No, there is only one, but the jiva-souls have "two-sides" to their personality and character.

The word "eternal" ONLY refers to the "position" and NOT the individual jiva-souls in that position, who can be both, eternally liberated or eternally conditioned, based on their circumstances.

The "position" is eternal, but not necessarily the the jiva-souls in that position of nitya-siddha (eternally liberated) and nitya-baddha (eternally conditioned)

The jiva-soul's infinite position is Nitya-siddha (eternally liberated), this means the jiva-soul's original perpetual home is the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana.

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense everyone comes from Krsnaloka (Goloka-Vrindavana). When one forgets Krsna he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

The actual constitutional position of EVERY marginal living entity (jiva-soul) is nitya-siddha.

Srila Prabhupada - "There are two kinds of marginal living entities: nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha. The actual constitutional position of every marginal living entity is nitya-siddha. By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can become again nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha, to bring them to their original position. It is a difficult task." (London lecture BG, Ch 1 Text 13-14, July 14, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "Your next question, "Is a pure devotee "eternally liberated" and if so is he at any time a conditioned soul? We are "eternally conditioned," but as soon as we surrender to Krsna do we then become "eternally liberated? 

You are NOT eternally conditioned, you are eternally liberated but since we have become conditioned on account of our desire to enjoy materialistic way of life, from time immemorial, therefore it "appears" that we are eternally conditioned. 

Because we cannot trace out the history or the date when we became conditioned, therefore it is technically called eternally conditioned. Otherwise the living entity is not actually conditioned. 

A living entity is always pure. But he is prone to be attracted by material enjoyment and as soon as he agrees to place himself in material enjoyment, he becomes conditioned, but that is not permanent. Therefore, a living entity is called on the marginal state, sometimes this side, sometimes that side. 

These are very intelligent questions. And I am very glad that you are putting such intelligent questions and trying to understand it. It is very good." (Letter to Aniruddha dasa, Los Angeles 14 Nov 1968)

Srila Prabhupāda - "There are two kinds of living entities: nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha. Nitya-siddha means they never fall a victim of māyā. That is nitya-siddha. Even though they are within this material world, they are never victimized. That is called nitya-siddha. And one who is victimized, he is called nitya-baddha. 

But the actual constitutional position of EVERY living entity is nitya-siddha, because God is eternal and His part and parcels, the living entities, they are also eternal. So that is nitya-siddha. 

Nitya-siddha, sādhana-siddha, kṛpā-siddha—there are different grades. They are all described in the Nectar of Devotion. 

So one can become sādhana-siddha. By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can also become siddha. He can become AGAIN nitya-siddha.

So the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha, to bring them. It is a difficult task." (Lecture, New York City, July 13 1976)×*^×

At the time of the death of the material bodily vessel, what ever one thinks of, they will attain without fail. 

This journey of the jiva-soul is eternal that had no beginning, nor will the journey EVER end. 

Amazing isn't it! The fact is, we NEVER die.

The jiva-souls are eternal "spiritual living PERSONS" and can NEVER be destroyed, terminated or extinguished, the jiva-souls are indestructible.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 text 12, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable and immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body." (BG, Ch 2 text 25, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Some look on the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing, and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, cannot understand him at all." (BG, Ch 2 text 29, 1983 edition)

Srila Prabhupada – “There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?” (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)

Devotee - "It is said in the Bhagavad-gita that what ever one thinks of, they will achieve, if one is fortunate enough to think of Krsna at death, he (she) goes to Krsna. What if one thinks of his spiritual master?" 

Srila Prabhupāda - "He (she) will go to Krsna because spiritual master is also going to Krsna." (BG, Class Ch 7 Text 2, Oct 28, 1975 Nairobi)

The word "reciprocation" only has meaning when there are TWO involved, not one Prabhupada has told us. The individual jiva-souĺs have THEIR choices too, EVEN if that choice means rejecting Krsna! Free will only has meaning when the jiva-souls can express themselves in a "two-sided" affair.

In other words, loving reciprocation is ONLY possible on a "two-way" street between two, with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.

This also means the individual jiva-souls CAN reject Krsna if they choose, which in a sense proves that "free will" DOES truly exist.

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will." (Philosophy Discussions on Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – “So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence, that is force.” (Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Having "free will" is the eternal constitutional make up of EVERY "marginal living entity," and is the foundation for ALL jiva-soul's relationship with Krsna.

The jiva-souls on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavan ALWAYS have their independent "free will" that is part and parcel of their unique individuality included in their marginal identity (As jiva-soul)

This "freedom" of having individual  self expression," allows the jiva-souls to each make their own unique personal offerings and voluntary contributions to Visnu or Krsna, where each jiva-soul can offer or serve Krsna in their own unique personal way.

This is REAL freedom.

In this way each individual jiva-soul has their own special unique (personal) association and relationship with Krsna that no other jiva-soul has like theirs.

These loving exchanges are based on a "two-way" relationship between Krsna and the jiva-souls.

However, in the temporary material creation, it is different because those who have entered the material creation have previously chosen to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan by rejecting Visnu in Vaikuntha or Krsna in Goloka Vrindavana.

So, why then does Krsna allow the jiva-souls to have their independent freedom to even leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan if they choose?

Devotee – "In the Srimad-Bhagavatam, it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here?” Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?”

Srila Prabhupada - “That means you lose your independence, that is force. In Bengali it is said, ‘if you catch one girl or boy and demand, ‘you love me, you love me, you love me,’ is that love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

First of all we read from above by Prabhupada, Krsna gives the jiva-souls "free will" in the spiritual world that allows them to make their own choices there.

Having free will also makes the jiva-souls fully responsible for all their choices and actions.

Rejecting Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan and therefore having to enter the material creation, (but only less than 10% make such a choice) was a mistake by those jiva-souls because the material creation is NOT the real home of the individual jiva-souls.

It is unnatural for the individual jiva-souls to be covered by a temporary material bodily vessel or container that they are given when they enter the material creation.

It must be clearly understood for love to truly exist, each jiva-soul MUST have their "free will" to make their own choices, even if it means leaving Krsna if they choose, otherwise there can be no question of genuine love or service.

This quality or attribute of free will is part of the jiva-soul's marginal constitutional nature, as an independent free thinking part and parcels expansion of the Krsna.

Krsna allows this freedom that all jiva-souls have because without free will loving exchanges and reciprocation can NEVER exist.

Srila Prabhupada – “You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We CAN misuse that." (Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)×××




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