Friday, April 29, 2022

Free will means that you can act wrongly, that is free will. There must always be the choice to do wrong or right, then it means we have free will.

If the jiva-souls are forced to act "one-sided" without expressing personal views and being encouraged to contribute to a "two-way" exchange with Krsna, then that means the jiva-souls have no free will.

Because I can choose to sometimes do wrong, then that means I also have free will.

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that."(Conversation, Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will." 

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada -"Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will."(Discussions with Rene Descartes and Prabhupada)

Having free will is the constitutional make up of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) that is always part and parcel within their eternal character, personality and bodily identity in the spiritual world.

This means the jiva-souls can even choose to leave the Vaikuntha Planets or Goloka-Vrindavana (The Kingdom of God) if they want, this is also what free will allows and if it didn't, then they have no free will.

Syamasundara - "Can we predict that returning back home back to Godhead, will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however some do come back?''

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time."

Syamasundara - "And some come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."

Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence, he can fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is not to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again." (Discussions with Syamasundara and Henri Bergson)

Revatīnandana - "Srila Prabhupāda you very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and I go to the brahmajyoti I'm still fallen."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana - "That means all jīva-souls there are also fallen souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition."(Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970 and Aug 17, 1971, London)

In the jiva-souls original state, they have the same bodily features like Krsna, sat-cit-ananda-vigraha (eternity, knowledge, bliss and form.

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – “[describing material form first]: Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - “Not in the spiritual world. There that is voluntary. 

Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. 

If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact."(SB 6.1.1-4, Melb, May 20, 1975)

As said above, the jiva-souls were never created or created from any origin (starting point) because there is no origin of the jiva-souls, they have always existed without beginning or end.

Srila Prabhupada - "Having independence means one can use it properly or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force." (Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Loving devotional service to Krsna is always based on a "two-way" voluntary exchange of personal feelings manifesting as loving acts of reciprocation between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees.

The sincere devotee voluntarily contributes their unique individual expressions of service as the real act of surrendering to Krsna.

Where as a "one-way" forceful demand that you must surrender and just do as you are told from a so called God or Guru, who does not allow personal voluntary contributions and expressions, is cold impersonalism, and such a sannyasi or guru should be kicked in the face.

Denying an individual jiva-soul to have a two-way exchange of reciprocating feelings condemns the so called devotee to be no better than dead useless stone.

Personalism means a two-way relationship of voluntary loving exchange that expands, enriches and multiplies loving affection, sentiment and exchanges between the jiva-souls, Krsna and Guru.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (BG Ch 9 text 2-5, New York, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed by only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then there is love." (SB Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Having free will is the eternal constitutional make up of every marginal living entity (jiva-soul) and is the foundation for all the jiva-soul's relationships with Krsna..***..






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